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« Reply #45 on: January 13, 2008, 09:14:45 AM »
Today at 1:00 the San Diego Chargers should lose to the Indianapolis Colts The money boyz are saying that Indy should win by about 10 points. Wring their necks like a chicken on the way to Col. Sanders.

croggy, who rarely invests more than a beer, even for his beloved Patriots (did I mention they won yesterday? :D ) comments on that, following Churchill in late December 1941 in Ottawa: "Some chicken: Some neck." The last time they played, on Remembrabce Day, the result was Colts - 21, SD - 23.

Phil Rivers the QB is not burning up the league record books - but he is more than competent and he has LaDainian Tomlinson - the best running back in this or any other league. The bad news is that Antonio Gates, another All Universe player, a Tight End, is broken and will not play.

All that being said, they are playing the Colts - reigning Superbowel  :wink:  champs. The Colts have the greatest Quarter Back, Peyton (not Preston  :annoyed: ) Manning, the best this side of ...of ... er....er... Tom Brady. :lol: Closer than expected, but ya gotta give it to da Colts.


Game #2is the New York Football Giants, playing the Dallas Cowboys, in Dallas. The Giants Quarter Back is the other non-Preston Manning in the NFL - Eli. (Peyton's brother, Archie's other little boy.)

The Giants are a damn fine team, damn fine ... look for them to get smoked by T.O., Terry Glenn (if he is health) and  Dallas.
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« Reply #46 on: January 13, 2008, 12:43:30 PM »
Thanks for the heads up Croghan...was under the false impression that, like yesterday, today's games would occur late afternoon/evening.

Yesterday's snow game in GB was tons of fun to watch.  Weird how the superimposed TV thingies (i.e. yellow line to indicate the first down line) don't work in the snow.  

Also got into a bit of a couch joust, brain cramp, trying to remember the Canadian guy that the Packers drafted that is known as the #1 example of unfulfilled potential/never lived up to the hype in league history.  Bugged me enough I wandered off and googled, and  :!: it was Tony Mandarich.

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Ante "Tony" Josip Mandarich (born September 23, 1966 in Oakville, Ontario) is a former football offensive lineman of the NFL. He is most remembered as the first round draft pick of the Green Bay Packers in 1989, second overall behind quarterback Troy Aikman.

A decade before the epic failure of Ryan Leaf, Mandarich was largely considered to be the biggest bust of any draft pick in American football history; an ESPN panel in 2004 named him the third biggest sports flop of the last 25 years, with Leaf #1 on the list. [1] The Packers drafted him early in the draft, even while future superstars like Barry Sanders, Derrick Thomas and Deion Sanders were still available.

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« Reply #47 on: January 13, 2008, 12:46:56 PM »
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an ESPN panel in 2004 named him the third biggest sports flop of the last 25 years, with Leaf #1 on the list. [1] The Packers drafted him early in the draft, even while future superstars like Barry Sanders, Derrick Thomas and Deion Sanders were still available.


for all their research and training - drafting is still a lot of a crap shoot.

 :rotfl:  :rotfl:  :rotfl:
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« Reply #48 on: January 13, 2008, 07:50:55 PM »
Heh.  The Giants have just defeated Dallas.  Why is this a good thing?  Because the NFC title game gets played in Green Bay.  Hope for snow... :cold:  Football outdoors in January is fun...

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« Reply #49 on: January 13, 2008, 08:04:20 PM »
I have only one question. Will it be over soon?  :ducking:

In about a month, a big trailer will leave the Horribilus Stadium down by the lake and head south for Dunedin, Florida. Did you know that Dunedin is the ancient name for Edinburgh? There's a Dunedin in NZ too.

Anyway, that will signal the start of spring training. Ah, baseball.

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« Reply #50 on: January 13, 2008, 08:29:10 PM »
Will be over February 3rd when Superbowl XLII gets played.  Then, it's time for the boyz and grils of summer :baseball:  :)

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« Reply #51 on: January 14, 2008, 06:14:02 PM »
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I have only one question. Will it be over soon?  :ducking:

In about a month, a big trailer will leave the Horribilus Stadium down by the lake and head south for Dunedin, Florida. Did you know that Dunedin is the ancient name for Edinburgh? There's a Dunedin in NZ too.

Anyway, that will signal the start of spring training. Ah, baseball.


Studiously ignoring the first sentence, which aa Perry Mason used to say is irrelivant, irreverent and not pertaining to the matter at hand, crogh points out he used to live in Fort Pierce, Fla. jess a hoot 'an a holler from the (now Sainted) Expos spring camp. Usta drop down fer a game or two - while they were serious pros ... a lotta laughter went on there too.  :rotfl:

But when a football play works - and works well, even defensive ones, it has a beauty that is equal to any ballet or dance.
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« Reply #52 on: January 15, 2008, 12:32:13 AM »
I'm a huge football nut too, Croghan. I follow baseball less, but I do enjoy the game (yes, even after steriods. Like everyone else who watches baseball, I knew. I watched. I still know. I'm still watching. whatever that says about me, I'm not sure I care.)

I am the most intellectually engaged in football, in that I think I have decent mind for it. I understand blocking schemes and blitz packages and so forth. But I am the most viscerally engaged in hockey, and always will be no matter what. Nothing thrills me like a crisp pass, a big move, and that split second where it's either a goal or it's not.

Could not care less about basketball. Just couldn't.
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« Reply #53 on: January 15, 2008, 01:02:55 AM »
I am not and have never been a sports fan.  That being said, I have a soft spot in my heart for baseball, if only for geek reasons.  It is an enormous real-life non-deterministic finite state transducer.  Its states are countable, finite in number, and therefore enumerable, if probably exponential in the number of players and innings.

By the way, someone at the University of Alberta recently solved checkers.  It's a draw, like tic tac toe.  No point in checkers anymore.

After baseball, I think I can muster up a tiniest smidgen of sympathy for basketball, despite Coyote :)

I'm a bad Canadian and don't sympathize with hockey, except the amusement value of things careening around on the TV screen.  Skating makes my ankles hurt.

And football?  It's completely bizarre.  I'm living in a football-mad country and, well, I've tried.  I even did the Superbowl with Real American D00dz thing one year.  I think you have to be drunk to get it.

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« Reply #54 on: January 15, 2008, 07:34:39 AM »
I'm a football nut. I can't wait for the New England-Green Bay Super Bowl.

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« Reply #55 on: January 15, 2008, 03:57:16 PM »
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I'm a huge football nut too, Croghan. I follow baseball less, but I do enjoy the game (yes, even after steriods. Like everyone else who watches baseball, I knew. I watched. I still know. I'm still watching. whatever that says about me, I'm not sure I care.)

I am the most intellectually engaged in football, in that I think I have decent mind for it. I understand blocking schemes and blitz packages and so forth. But I am the most viscerally engaged in hockey, and always will be no matter what. Nothing thrills me like a crisp pass, a big move, and that split second where it's either a goal or it's not.

Could not care less about basketball. Just couldn't.


Turning the once fine croghan mind (now destroyed my too many years of drugs and alcohol) to the subject - I see that the slower a game is, the more I enjoy it. I have a great difficulity following soccor (football) - it's fluidity confuses me and I am unable to tell a fine play from a poor one.

I was once at a Nicks/Celticgame and was amazed  :shock:  that people that big could move that fast. Yet beyond that lame observation it leaves me cold.

Baseball has it's own subtilities - even if it is still the showdown at the Okay Corral - the gunslingers on the dusty streets of Dodge.

Being a Canadian I cannot dislike hockey - indeed, while living in Alberta I regularily took my children down to Oilersgames during the stretch when they won more Stanley Cups than most people have fingers - and even managed a hockey team in HS. Still nothing viseral happens - perhaps it is only at the rink that I can truely appreciate the skills of the players, but it is only in the broadest aspect that I can see any stragedy.

The time between the plays in football is important to me. I can in some way digest what has happened and what effect it has on tbe upcoming play, connect it with the last play.

I still recall OJ Simson, for Buffalo and Marv Levy (who at one time coached Montreal to a Grey Cup))  - Simson would take a hand off from Jim Kelly then run parallel with the offensive line, dipping in and out until he found a small gap: zipping through for another 12 yards. The grace was incredible - expecially when remember it was doing in the face of opposition.

and all the while wide receivers would be running patterns down field while corner backs and safety in either man-to-mancoverage or zonewould be performing their magic.

Football is the corporate game - no matter how good an individual may be, without the effort of the whole team, their efforts go for naught. T.O in Dallas and Moss in New England are exmples of that - they could not do the amazing things they can with out a very co-ordinated effort by the rest of the team.
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« Reply #56 on: January 15, 2008, 04:16:53 PM »
And i agree. It is possible to watch football passively, with no real interest in the strategy, and just concentrate on the physical fact of of a play; but it is also possible to really dig deep into the game, into the strategy and matchups. The static point at which every play starts creates a stream of possibilities, all of which must be weighed against issues of personnell, weather conditions, and the omnipresent clock.

Barry Sanders was an absolute joy to behold as a football fan of any description; but those of us who study the game saw a subtle tragedy (I'm sure you would agree) in each of those odds-defying scrambles for which he was so famous: that tragedy being that, no matter how well this unique talent played, he would never be able to lift his team along with him, and they would never be able to bail him out of a bad game. He was, in the ultimate team game, utterly alone on the field.
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« Reply #57 on: January 15, 2008, 05:40:16 PM »
Speaking of a lack of class .... I did not catch this on the show of the game - but Damian Pennydid in his blog:

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in need of a reality check are Colts fans. The Indianapolis crowd clearly booed Anna Grant, the 14-15-year old national champion for girls in the NFL's Punt, Pass & Kick competition, as she was honored between the third and fourth quarters of Sunday's game. Why? The New Hampshire teen was sporting a Patriots jersey. ...
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« Reply #58 on: January 16, 2008, 07:15:22 AM »
As a Pats fan I'm not sure I'd call that a lack of class. I would sincerely question the judgement of wearing a Pats jersey in Indy. Sort of like wearing a Maple Leafs jersey in the Molson Centre.

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« Reply #59 on: January 16, 2008, 11:43:21 AM »
I saw that segment of the game.  There were several age categories, each featured one girl and one boy as national winners.  The origin of the competition was that each winner had won a competition sponsored by their 'local" NFL franchise. The team winners then competed for the national title. The girl that got booed "had" to wear a Patriot's jersey as she had been the Patriot's representative to the national championship.

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