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Re: tar sands
« Reply #375 on: February 21, 2012, 11:58:31 AM »
Andrew Weaver:

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...It would be a huge mistake to interpret our results as some kind of a "get out of jail free" card for the tar sands. While coal is the greatest threat to the climate globally, the tar sands remain the largest source of greenhouse gas emission growth in Canada and are the single largest reason Canada is failing to meet it's international climate commitments and failing to be a climate leader. The world needs to transition away from fossil fuels if it wants to avoid dangerous human interference with the climate system. That means coal, unconventional gas, and unconventional oil all need to be addressed.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-weaver/the-alberta-tar-sands-and_b_1288264.html
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« Reply #376 on: February 21, 2012, 05:04:19 PM »
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Two Canadian climate change scientists from the University of Victoria say the public reaction to their recently published commentary has missed their key message: that all forms of fossil fuels, including the oilsands and coal, must be regulated for the world to avoid dangerous global warming...


http://www.canada.com/life/green-guide/fossil+fuels+must+avoid+global+warming+scientists/6186765/story.html
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« Reply #377 on: February 21, 2012, 07:41:32 PM »
Another good read on Swart & Weaver and the climate analyst/advocate differences while seeking attention for renewable energy geeks:

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...Which brings me to the Renewable Energy Geek’s key point: renewable energy in most of its market-readiest forms is not a replacement for transport fuel; it’s an alternative form of electricity generation. It does not supplant oil; it supplants coal. And coal, as Swart and Weaver have just demonstrated, is a much, much bigger problem for the planet than unconventional oil reserves are.

This is not an argument for Keystone (or the even dodgier Northern Gateway pipeline proposal to route oil sands bitumen through the Great Bear Rainforest to China). It’s merely a suggestion to climate advocates and analysts alike that neither of their approaches confronts the fossil-fuel regime most directly at its most vulnerable spot...


http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/energy/blogs/the-trouble-with-carbon-bombs
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Re: tar sands
« Reply #378 on: February 22, 2012, 12:42:52 PM »
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« Reply #379 on: February 22, 2012, 12:53:04 PM »
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« Reply #380 on: February 23, 2012, 04:16:51 AM »
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The decision whether Europe will officially label oil produced from tar sands as highly polluting will be made on Thursday

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/23/eu-tar-sands-vote

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A fierce battle over whether the European Union will officially label oil produced from tar sands as highly polluting comes to a head on Thursday with a crucial vote.
The issue is seen as a key test of the EU's ability to implement its climate change policies amid pressure from the Canadian government and oil companies' ability to prevent billions of barrels of tar sands oil being designated as especially harmful to the environment. The lobbying has been intense, with Canada secretly threatening a trade war with Europe if the proposal is passed. The Nasa climate scientist James Hansen has said full development of the tar sands would mean it was "game over" for the climate.
The issue has also drawn fire on to the UK's transport minister, Norman Baker, whose Liberal Democrat colleagues have likened  tar sands to "land mines, blood diamonds and cluster bombs", but whose coalition government was revealed as giving secret help to Canada.

Sounds like the Guardian hasn't heard about the Weaver/Swart study, and how poorly it was managed by the media.
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« Reply #381 on: February 23, 2012, 10:04:14 AM »
HuffPost: EU Won't Label Oil Sands 'Dirty' — For Now
 

The European Union narrowly avoided labelling Canadian oil sands bitumen "dirty oil" in a vote Thursday, CBC reports. A committee of experts from the EU's 27 member countries failed to get the 255 votes needed to slap the label on Canadian oil, effectively banning it from the trading area.
But that marks only a temporary victory for Canada's oil exporters, as the decision now goes to the European Council, which will vote on the matter this spring or summer.
Canada has made it clear that it will fight any attempts by the EU to label oil sands product as a particularly dirty form of oil.
 
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« Reply #382 on: February 24, 2012, 06:20:58 PM »
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« Reply #383 on: February 25, 2012, 12:43:58 AM »
And a good one it is! :applause
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« Reply #384 on: February 25, 2012, 01:09:07 AM »
That's one well-researched article, Antonia!   :applause And, alas, very depressing.  :crying
In fact, the past 2 weeks have been like watching a dark cloud form over Canada. Not that I'm surprised, but damn we need some light shining through.

Going to watch some Monty Python or something.
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« Reply #385 on: February 25, 2012, 07:35:52 AM »
Yes, excellent article. Not only well-researched, but it takes real craft to provide such a clear explanation so concisely.

Québec had been spared some of Ontario's recent ills to some extent, for a while, but that is no longer the case.

Oh well, we can solve all this by ... taxing food!
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« Reply #386 on: February 29, 2012, 10:01:46 PM »
More about Swart and Weaver and tar sands

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..."There was some misinterpretation. There definitely was some spin that's probably, if I can be cynical, deliberate," says Shawn Marshall, Canada Research Chair in climate change at the University of Calgary...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2012/02/28/f-oilsands-climate.html

And a good article about the spats between premiers and Alberta's responsibilities:

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/1138935--don-t-ask-for-our-love-alberta


Building somewhat on your good article about Dutch Disease, Antonia. Andrew Nikiforuk also used that term today:


http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2012/02/29/Canadian-Dutch-Disease/
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« Reply #387 on: February 29, 2012, 10:47:29 PM »
Oh he was using it before I even heard of it, I am sure.
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« Reply #388 on: March 06, 2012, 05:23:37 PM »
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Re: tar sands
« Reply #389 on: March 06, 2012, 06:20:40 PM »
Latest Senate attack on ENGOs by Doug Finley:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/03/06/pol-senate-environmental-charities.html

He denies saying anyone should lose charitable status, but is referred to Margo McDiarmid's article:

https://twitter.com/#!/SenatorFinley/status/177160920043225088


Oh, and although Nicole Eaton launched this Senate inquiry, it's his inquiry:


https://twitter.com/#!/SenatorFinley/status/174848387680710656
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