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Re: U.S. Lying About Attacking Syria
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2012, 12:53:26 PM »
Oh please. That wasn't a war. That was humanitarian mission of liberation.

ETA: Was Vietnam ever declared by Congress? Iraq 1? Iraq 2? Afghanistan?
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« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2012, 12:49:11 PM »
Heh, yeah your right. And the U.S. has lost (wars, humanitarian missions) in Vietnam  Iraq and Afghanistan, possibly more I'm not sure, (quite the losing streak).  But coupled now with not having to get Congressional approval for war Obama signed an Executive Order on Friday night after the news cycle giving him complete control of all U.S. Resources in times of emergency in peacetime.


http://404systemerror.com/usa-communism-national-defense-resources-preparedness/


The National Defense Resources Preparedness order gives the Executive Branch the power to control and allocate energy, production, transportation, food, and even water resources by decree under the auspices of national defense and national security.  The order is not limited to wartime implementation, as one of the order’s functions includes the command and control of resources in peacetime determinations.
]Why? What is the need for this in peacetime? Read the link to see it has only been done on a couple of occasions during WW1 & and the Civil War and then restored back. If you look under Labor of the many Sections:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness


you see they can pluck a specialized person out of the private sector and have them work for the gob without compensation and on it goes.


With the recent signing of NDAA the new Decider can brand a citizen as a terrist, the military loves it and one wonders if the military is running the WH. Obama/Calderon/Harper meet on April 2, ostensibly to discuss -
with a particular focus on economic growth and competitiveness, citizen security, energy, and climate change," the White House said Friday in a statement.
but will no doubt include the stuff they never tell us.
Troubling, very troubling. P.S. Looking for a discussion on this I found one @ http://hotair.com/archives/2012/03/18/national-defense-resources-preparedness-executive-order-power-grab-or-update/  who basically say no troubles, same as was but to include Cabinet officials and HS. Still tho I have to ask, why update a 60 year old document now, in an election year.
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Re: U.S. Lying About Attacking Syria
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2012, 06:26:20 PM »
This article by Walkom could easily go into the harpo thread, except for my question:  the default position should be, just how involved are we, not if we're involved? In the run-up to Syria/Iran.
Walkom: Is Stephen Harper’s global military policy delusional or just plain mad?http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1208436--walkom-is-stephen-harper-s-global-military-policy-delusional-or-just-plain-mad
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« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2012, 09:44:26 AM »
Robert Fisk: Western agreement 'could leave Syria in Assad's hands for two more years'
But the real object of talks between the world powers revolves around the West’s determination to secure oil and particularly gas from the Gulf states without relying upon supplies from Moscow. “Russia can turn off the spigot to Europe whenever it wants – and this gives it tremendous political power,” the source says. “We are talking about two fundamental oil routes to the West – one from Qatar and Saudi Arabia via Jordan and Syria and the Mediterranean to Europe, another from Iran via Shia southern Iraq and Syria to the Mediterranean and on to Europe. This is what matters. This is why they will be prepared to let Assad last for another two years, if necessary. They would be perfectly content with that. And Russia will have a place in the new Syria.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-western-agreement-could-leave-syria-in-assads-hands-for-two-more-years-7897087.html


Hamas member 'assassinated' in Syrian capital Damascus http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18626026
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« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2012, 09:41:59 PM »
No one in gov knows for sure if the Syrian diplomats left Canada.  ::)
http://o.canada.com/2012/09/17/0918-expelled-diplomats/
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« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2012, 09:21:17 AM »
Turkey has asked for Patriot Missiles  :o  Cameron suggest 'safe passage' for Assad.  :o


Cameron strutting around the ME making plea to Obama to get tough. Not voted in, just the leader of the largest party in the coalition, he doesn't have any mandate for this shit. Gotta sell those arms eh and can't let the extremist fighters have control. I guess another snuff film is in the making. Here we go, what will Harper's contribution be.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2012/nov/07/syria-obama-tougher-assad-live

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« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2012, 09:12:16 AM »
I don't know nuthin about the worldwide web, but I was under the impression there is no killswitch, well apparently there is. Syria has gone dark.


http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57556156-93/blackout-syria-vanishes-from-internet/


Anonymous says it's going to cut off Syria's outside sites. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/global-hacking-network-declares-internet-war-syria-123450265.html#lcitRmt


CloudFlare, a firm that helps accelerate Internet traffic, said on its blog that saboteurs would have had to simultaneously sever three undersea cables into the port city of Tartous and also an overland cable through Turkey in order to cut off the entire country's Internet access.
"That is unlikely to have happened," CloudFlare said.
The government has been accused of cutting communications in previous assaults on rebel-held areas. Anonymous said Assad's government had physically "pulled the plug out of the wall".
Google and Twitter trying to help - https://plus.google.com/+google/posts/dKiBsQq6nxw



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Re: U.S. Lying About Attacking Syria
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2012, 12:08:21 AM »
Sarin gas being moved in Syria? We have only have a 'government official' saying so. Clinton says it's a red line, Israel asked Jordan if they could bomb the chemical sites. (what could possibly go wrong?)


http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/12/syria-chemical-weapons-3/



http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/12/israel-asked-jordan-for-approval-to-bomb-syrian-wmd-sites/265818/


Well there's an agenda and it takes the fiscal cliff off the radar. My gawd but the warmongers are just so predictable.
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« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2012, 11:16:28 PM »
Thousands of US troops arrive near Syrian shore on USS Eisenhower. No idea if this is true as it comes from RT
http://rt.com/usa/news/us-eisenhower-syria-military-369/

Can't find any credible sources, but whatever checked the movement of the Eisenhower and shows indeed in the Strait http://www.gonavy.jp/CVLocation.htm

Still don't have any evidence either of Assad going to use chemical weapons on his people.
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« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2012, 12:40:11 PM »
Chemical weapons is being screamed globally, but what I don't get is this: I don't know nuthin about warring but wouldn't it be impossible to use chemical weapons w/o endangering your own self and troops? No one can control the wind. Maybe the chemical weapons headlines are a ruse to allow Russia/China to step back, a long way back to allow NATO to go in there and secure the stockpiles of chems so they don't fall into rebels hands? Some maps show chem weapons in so many depots scattered across the country, no way you could bomb and risk gas to blow everywhere. Who knows what the strategy is.


Baird has said we may be part of Regime Change - http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/12/07/canada-not-ruling-out-syria-action-as-baird-warns-of-serious-consequences/



http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/12/07/us-troops-mass-on-turkeys-syrian-border.html?comp=7000023317828&rank=1


Some 400 U.S. and Dutch NATO troops were massed on Turkey's Syrian border Friday amid fears besieged President Bashar Assad was poised to use chemical weapons.
The soldiers were beefing up Turkey's border and readying Patriot missiles three days after NATO agreed to deploy the MIM-104 Patriot surface-to-air missile system in Turkey. Ankara had requested the installations as a defense against a Syrian missile attack, possibly with chemical weapons.
]"Nobody knows what such a regime is capable of and that is why we are acting protectively here," German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle said of NATO's move.
U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said Thursday the latest intelligence reports heightened fears Assad would use chemical weapons on the rebels trying to oust him.
"The intelligence that we have raises serious concerns that this is being considered," he said.

To add - FAIR discusses the pressitutes - 'This time it's different'-- Should we believe media spin on Syria's chemical weapons? http://www.fair.org/blog/2012/12/07/this-time-trust-anonymous-wmd-claims-theyve-got-specific-intelligence/
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« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2013, 01:35:49 PM »
Obviously the 'chemical weapons' was all media spin, we don't hear anything about that now. I found the complete transcript of Assad's interview for the Sunday Times. Assad doesn't even use security but drives himself around Damascus, of course that could have been a ruse to impress the west and the interviewer. What's interesting to me is how candid and rational he sounds.


http://resistance-episteme.tumblr.com/post/44443639587/hala-jabers-interview-with-president-assad-for-the#.UTMd-e1SfdQ.blogger


Regarding the chemical weapons here is an excerpt


Sunday Times:  You’ll know of the international concerns about Syria’s chemical weapons. Would your army ever use them as a last resort against your opponents? Reports suggest they have been moved several times, if so why? Do you share the international concern that they may fall into the hands of Islamist rebels? What is the worst that could happen?
President Assad:  Everything that has been referred to in the media or by official rhetoric regarding Syrian chemical weapons is speculation.  We have never, and will never, discuss our armaments with anyone.
What the world should worry about is chemical materials reaching the hands of terrorists. Video material has already been broadcast showing toxic material being tried on animals with threats to the Syrian people that they will die in the same way.  We have shared this material with other countries. This is what the world should be focusing on rather than wasting efforts to create elusive headlines on Syrian chemical weapons to justify any intervention in Syria.

And CTV repeating the propaganda - "We don't want food and drink and we don't want bandages. When we're wounded, we want to die. The only thing we want is weapons," he told The Associated Press in a telephone interview.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/syrian-rebel-chief-says-his-fighters-need-bullets-not-bandages-1.1177392

These are the scum the U.S. is giving $60 million and non-lethal aid directly to rebels/mercs/jihadis. Idris is a lying piece of filth when he says - "We need anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles to stop Bashar Assad's criminal, murderous regime from annihilating the Syrian people," he said. "The whole world knows what we need, and yet they watch as the Syrian people are slaughtered."

This is who they are - *warning gruesome footage of killing assad loyalists* and another vid of preparing to assasinate a syrian police with an american M16 rifle. ]http://www.military.com/video/operations-and-strategy/warfare/fsa-executes-assad-loyalists/2008245701001/

http://www.military.com/video/operations-and-strategy/terrorism/al-qaeda-executes-syrian-cop/1907768398001/
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« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2013, 02:42:05 PM »
Syrian 'rebels' abduct 20 UN soldiers in the Golan Heights


No mention is made of the Canadian guy already missing.


Linking the Golan detentions to the Iraq killings on Monday, Mr. Churkin said: “Some people are trying very hard to extend the Syrian conflict. Today there is this incident. This is no-man’s land between Syria and Israel. Somebody is trying very hard to blow this crisis up.”
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« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2013, 10:21:51 PM »
Still no news about the Canadian  ::)   Meantime Israel has attacked Syria. Really.
CNN like the good organ it is tells us the U.S. 'sources' tell us it is so. We're all suppose to believe since Israel is an 'ally' they would tell the U.S., but apparently not. Oh what webs they weave...http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/03/world/meast/israel-airstrike-syria/index.html?sr=reddit


The Whitehouse has given a 'warning http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21281923
And apparently no one knows wtf is going on.  ::)


The warning came amid contradictory claims of an Israeli strike in Syria.[
Syria says Israeli war planes bombed a military research centre north-west of Damascus, but the US and others say lorries carrying weapons bound for Lebanon were hit.
Israel has maintained silence about the incident, but Syria has made a formal complaint to the UN.
Damascus says it reserves the right to defend itself, while its allies Russia and Iran have strongly denounced the attack.

Continue reading the main storyPossible targets Jamraya Centre: Reported scientific research centre responsible for developing chemical weapons Weapons convoy: Lorries carrying Russian-made SA-17 anti-aircraft missiles to Hezbollah bases in LebanonQ&A: Israeli 'strike' on SyriaAnalysis: Strike adds complexity to tense region[The Syrian army statement about the incident, carried on state media, said Israeli fighter jets had carried out a direct strike on a scientific research centre in Jamraya, killing two people and wounding five. But a US official told the BBC the target was a convoy carrying SA-17 surface-to-air missiles. Some rebel groups have said they targeted the Jamraya centre.

Ev. is right on que now. Here we go; waiting for sweet neo-con's to tell us about their involvement soon. I don't say 'our' involvement, cuz this is a neo-con involvement whether we like it or not. Canada sez Avoid All Travel To Syria - http://travel.gc.ca/destinations/syria  while they wonder where jihadis come from ::) 
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Re: U.S. Lying About Attacking Syria
« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2013, 11:27:11 PM »
No one, no where is aware of any attack. CBC - Syria's UN ambassador, Bashar Ja'afari, told the Reuters news agency he wasn't aware of an attack.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/05/03/syria-israel.html  CBC sez U.S. sez Israel attacked Syria.

"I'm not aware of any attack right now," Syria's UN ambassador, Bashar Ja'afari said. JPost


Syria's UN ambassador not aware of any attack -
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/04/us-syria-crisis-israel-un-idUSBRE94301U20130504So there was no attack by Israel?  The Pentagon declines to comment. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-syria-crisis-israel-usabre94300b-20130503,0,3991787.story

Wonder how the stock market is doing?  :confused 


A spokesman for the Pentagon declined to comment. [/font][/size]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324266904578461841925341434.html



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« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2013, 01:07:28 AM »
Israel strikes again, using American weapons of course enticing u.s. to declare war against syria; pretext for nato. OR as some are saying Israel is on al quedas side, I guess we all will be soon.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/05/world/middleeast/israel-syria.html


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