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Toedancer

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Wikileaks Fallout?
« on: December 04, 2010, 02:17:55 AM »
Should I start a new thread?

Germain aide fired

German foreign minister's chief of staff, who acted as a mole for the Americans
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Re: Wikileaks Fallout?
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2010, 07:14:13 AM »
Sure, although things are likely to go astray that way.

This highlights something we were talking about yesterday in that debate between Stephen Aftergood and Glenn Greenwald. Aftergood used this as an example of why the publication of the cables was dangerous and irresponsible -- he pointed out that the cables made it easy to identify an individual, the mole, and that, according to Aftergood, is damaging to national security.

Damaging to WHOSE national security, I shouted at the screen. Obviously, from a German pov, it was a very good thing to find out they had a U.S. mole in their cabinet. Greenwald gets that, but most Americans don't. To them, national security means U.S. national security, and they can't conceive of any other.

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Re: Wikileaks Fallout?
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2010, 11:42:04 AM »
This is outrageous and dangerous, now they are ARRESTING A KID who took part in Operation Payback.

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A Dutch teenager arrested Thursday morning for participating in cyber   attacks against the websites of companies who dropped their support of   WikiLeaks could face up to six years in prison if convicted, according   to a spokesman for the Netherlands' prosecution service.

From a Guardian article

The hacktivists of Anonymous may be accused of many things – such as   immaturity or being run by a herd instinct. But theirs is the cyber   equivalent of non-violent action or civil disobedience. It disrupts   rather than damages.  In challenging the credit card companies and the   web hosts in this way, they are reminding these businesses that their   brand reputation relies not only on how the state department sees them,   but also on how they maintain their independence in the eyes of their   users. 
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Re: Wikileaks Fallout?
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2010, 12:12:00 PM »
This is outrageous and dangerous, now they are ARRESTING A KID who took part in Operation Payback.
But entirely predictable. DDoS attacks may be viewed as a form of non-violent protest but they're still illegal. If they can apply the kind of sanctions that have been brought to bear on WikiLeaks for not breaking any laws, it stands to reason that they'll use the law to send a message when they can.
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Re: Wikileaks Fallout?
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2012, 06:54:21 PM »
Why the WikiLeaks Grand Jury is So Dangerous: Members of Congress Now Want to Prosecute New York Times Journalists Too
(good gaw almighty)
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/07/why-wikileaks-grand-jury-important-some-members-congress-want-prosecute-new-york

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Re: Wikileaks Fallout?
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2012, 11:08:48 PM »
Oh boy. We may have an International Incident about to happen. UK may storm the Equadorian Embassy in a bid to grab Assange. Equador has responded.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/16/us-wikileaks-assange-ecuador-idUSBRE87E16N20120816


The Lapdog Brits - "Under British law we can give them a week's notice before entering the premises and the embassy will no longer have diplomatic protection," a Foreign Office spokesman said.

The Response - "We want to be very clear, we're not a British colony. The colonial times are over," Ecuadorean Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino said in an angry statement after a meeting with President Rafael Correa."The move announced in the official British statement, if it happens, would be interpreted by Ecuador as an unfriendly, hostile and intolerable act, as well as an attack on our sovereignty, which would force us to respond in the strongest diplomatic way," Patino told reporters.

This is beyond the beyond. Would the UK actually violate international law? They've lost their fucking minds. Oh and Occupy is livestreaming - http://www.ustream.tv/channel/occupynewsnetwork
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Re: Wikileaks Fallout?
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2012, 11:44:49 PM »
The UK gov't is likely under great pressure from the USA to bring this episode to a close soon. Killing bin Laden was a feather in Obama's cap, now he wants to get Assange before the November election, or so it appears.
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Re: Wikileaks Fallout?
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2012, 12:20:55 AM »
Yes, but Assange always said if he was disappeared or whatnot, he'd release the damaging info he has on u.s. poli's and state dept.


Equadorians protesting outside uk embassy in Quito
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegrafo.com.ec%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_zoo%26task%3Ditem%26item_id%3D50161%26Itemid%3D2


According to WK twitter - http://twitter.com/wikileaks



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Re: Wikileaks Fallout?
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2012, 12:43:52 AM »
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