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Re: Election 2011?
« Reply #390 on: April 15, 2011, 12:30:40 PM »
Did Guergis say or did anyone ask her directly how the letter got to the media?

I don't recall hearing that. Good question, though.
 
CBC ran this story as the lead item on the noon news. Makes Harper look really bad, and Ignatieff and Layton piled on, too. :applause

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« Reply #391 on: April 15, 2011, 12:33:43 PM »
I'm an Alberta boy originally myself; but you gotta admit how disturbing the one-party state there is.

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« Reply #392 on: April 15, 2011, 12:41:22 PM »
I want to know that too skdadl. If she leaked it to cbc herself after her FOI request, because if she sat on it then she's not actually giving her constituents full accountability.
Interesting to hear her say she was told by someone inside of con caucus by phone, that if she hadn't of done the Mansbridge interview, well then.....(things could of been dif?) I don't buy that tho.
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Re: Election 2011?
« Reply #393 on: April 15, 2011, 12:54:49 PM »

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« Reply #394 on: April 15, 2011, 12:56:14 PM »
 :applause
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« Reply #395 on: April 15, 2011, 01:01:12 PM »
I'm an Alberta boy originally myself; but you gotta admit how disturbing the one-party state there is.

Well, Holly Stick and kuri are more current experts than I am, but some of this -- as everywhere -- is a FPTP problem.

Right now, eg, Calgary has a better mayor than almost anywhere else, for sure better than Toronto does. The NDP is actually respected in Alberta, even though it's hard for them to get the numbers. They do have one MP, though, Linda Duncan, as the Libs do not.

Albertans have this cultural thing about the Liberals. It isn't entirely left-right -- it's something else, and it didn't start with the NEP. 

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« Reply #396 on: April 15, 2011, 01:35:45 PM »
Provincially, a lot of sort of left leaning folk I know are getting involved with the Alberta Party, which appears to me as sort of a younger Liberal party without the baggage of being called Liberal, but I'm not sure they have the long-term drive to actually develop a new party. And of course from the right there's been a lot of buzz about the Wild Rose party. If you were to go strictly on media reports and polls of popular vote, you'd reach the conclusion that the PCs are done. I'm not certain that's the case at all, but it is refreshing to me to see a lot of people I knew to be cynical non-voters get involved with something.

I believe this is the first election since the municipal elections that got Nenshi elected in Calgary, and the shift required to unseat a Con MP in Calgary are incredibly high, so I don't think we'll see anything this time around. But if that energy is put to work long-term, it could produce results in one or two election cycles. A lot of people seem to expect fairly instantaneous results, though, and when I explain that Linda Duncan's win in Edmonton Strathcona was the result of a decades long strategy to build up members, awareness and support in the riding, a lot of younger activists' eyes kind of glaze over. I don't usually get the chance to say that that work is not yet over. It makes sense that not everyone can be involved actively for that long, but people come and go and it works out over the years. In Edmonton, our mayor isn't as cool as Nenshi, but he's not horrible, and we got a terrifically progressive council this time around (with the one exception of the guy in my ward, who's a former Sun columnist, and pretty much everything you'd expect from that  ::) - I guess you have to have one)

So, I guess that's to say that there is a lot of excitement, at least in urban Alberta, but whether there's the drive to translate it into long-term results is yet to be seen. That's my take on it, anyway. I'm curious if Holly sees it differently from Calgary.

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« Reply #397 on: April 15, 2011, 02:29:54 PM »
I'd say kuri has it right, not that I know much about it. I haven't ever been involved in election work.
 
And neener neener kuri, I've got the coolest mayor!  :p
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« Reply #398 on: April 15, 2011, 03:10:06 PM »
Yes, Calgary definitely has coolest mayor. 8)

There is a very cool mayor here, but I don't mean Gérald Tremblay. Monsieur le maire du cool is Luc Ferrandez, mayor of the Plateau-Mt-Royal arrondissement 8) 8) 8) (City of Mtl translates arrondissement as borough in English; I'd prefer "district").

And even Hérouxville has a marginally less uncool mayor than Toronto's!
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« Reply #399 on: April 15, 2011, 03:18:22 PM »
I get the feeling that Fort McMurray is really atypical.  Certainly the apathy is high, turnout low.  I think that a sense of resignation prevails.  Our MLA switched to the Wild Rose, so I don't know if the inertia will work out in favour of the man or his former party.

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« Reply #400 on: April 15, 2011, 04:07:55 PM »
One aspect of the Guergis press conference today which struck me as profound was when she was asked - "Do you see yourself ever back in the Conservative Party?" to which she answered: "Yes - under a new leader". 

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« Reply #402 on: April 15, 2011, 05:34:57 PM »
Checking out the shitharperdid site, I was reflecting on how it might've been a good idea to have a copywriter read over some of the blurbs, then I read this article in the National Post and realised that there are no more copywriters, or editors, for that matter.
Chronicalling? Justin Beiber? A column that goes on and on and comes back full circle to totally contradict itself?

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« Reply #403 on: April 15, 2011, 06:03:27 PM »
Note also: para 2: "crimes that ...  is 'wreaking havoc' "

And last sentence: I'm sure he means "afflicted" rather than "inflicted."

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Re: Election 2011?
« Reply #404 on: April 15, 2011, 06:42:49 PM »
Having spent the past week researching this -- by talking to group organizers, political scientists, tech gurus etc. -- I have to say that, at this point, LG is probably correct.

HOWEVER

It's snowballing. Therefore it's unpredictable.

Also, social media had a real effect in focusing awareness on G20 police actions. All those YouTubes alone ...

Also also, 17 million Canadians are on FB, 1/4 of all time spent online is with social media and a poll this week shows that 20% of us are getting virtually all our election news from social media.

Also also also, if it weren't for social media, there probably would now be a different mayor in Calgary.
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Re: Election 2011?
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