Author Topic: Fish/Bird/Sea Mammal die-offs  (Read 4203 times)

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Fish/Bird/Sea Mammal die-offs
« on: January 05, 2011, 01:25:34 PM »
Carrying on from Here I thought I would place this bird/fish die-offs in S & T. I'm waiting for Suzuki or some sciencey type peeps to give us some more realistic reasons other than 'loud noises' and 'weather'.
I remember Suzuki discussing earth magnetic fields and die-offs, but I can't find it. Maybe it was teevee. ?

I now have an alert on this because I can't stop thinking about 'canary in the coal mine' or 'don't fcuk with mother nature'. First alert is a small bird die-off in Sweden and 20 tons of fish on coast of Parana, Brazil.

Mass bird/fish deaths worldwide
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Re: Fish/Bird die-offs
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2011, 01:40:31 PM »
I read last night somewhere that the birds showed evidence of "internal trauma". But then the article went on to mention not to worry folks, species can experience massive die-offs for a variety of reasons.
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I can't find the article I read yesterday, but it may be in one of the links in this article from huffington post (not the most reliable source when it comes to scientific and health info, I hasten to add.) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/05/dead-birds-fall-from-sky-_n_804591.html

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Re: Fish/Bird die-offs
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2011, 02:10:09 PM »
If Der Spiegel (also in English) has anything on the story, they tend to be very good on scientific communication for laypersons. I haven't seen anything more specialised, in terms of veterinary/biological or climate science.

I'm playing ostrich with that story for now as it had been upsetting me so much, but will soon go into research mode.
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Re: Fish/Bird die-offs
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2011, 02:21:10 PM »
The one thing that is consistent with all the stories is the cause 'may never be known', which tells me we simply won't be told, leading to constant conjecture even from science peeps, dammably frustrating.
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Re: Fish/Bird die-offs
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2011, 06:02:45 PM »
Rivers of blood, plagues of locusts...

As horrified and saddened as I am by this story, I can't help but point out that it's just another brick in the wall. There have been massive die-offs of dolphins for years, whales too. Penguins are washing up in alarming numbers in Terra del Fuego (sorry for spelling on iPhone) lately, and let's not get started on the Gulf of Mexico.

The death of the oceans is the real canary.

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Re: Fish/Bird die-offs
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2011, 06:29:16 PM »
Two years ago we had a reddish algae just off the shore here on the Gulf of St. Lawrence, and also quite a few jellyfish wash up on the shoreline. I don't know if the two events were connected.

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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2011, 06:59:11 PM »
These events are occuring with alarming and increasing frequency and were described by Elizabeth Dodson Gray in the NFB documentary Adam's World.


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Re: Fish/Bird die-offs
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2011, 09:59:41 PM »
I've posted elsewhere that NASA (fly thru) discovered giant breach in Earth's magnetic field and some scientists believe Birds can see the magnetic field while others say the stars are also a navigator for them.

The Dolphin Institute suggests that

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dolphins may possess a magnetic sense               that enables   them to use the Earth’s magnetic field for orientation               and   navigation. Evidence for a magnetic sense is still tentative                 and consists in part of some correlations between regions where                 many stranding of dolphin species have occurred and the   presence               of geomagnetic anomalies or disturbances in these   regions

which would explain some beaching or strandings. This includes fish. So if earth's magnetic field is breached and it is used to find food, to navigate and migrate, then perhaps this is part of the answer.

U.S. scientists are researching if the electromagnetic field will also affect   marine and estuarine animal behavior, including migration, finding food   and avoiding predators. Several aquatic animals -- such as sharks,   skates, salmon, sea turtles and lobsters -- may use the Earth's natural   magnetic fields like a compass to navigate and detect their prey.

Except they are creating the field with giant copper coils/renewable energy devices on the west coast and in the Chesepeake Bay area to see the effect on the animals.
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Re: Fish/Bird die-offs
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2011, 09:26:46 AM »
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Re: Fish/Bird die-offs
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2011, 09:51:54 AM »
Don't know whether it will help, but I must remember to look for bee-friendly plants to put out this year.


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Re: Fish/Bird die-offs
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2011, 10:09:09 AM »
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Related: A story Bayer doesn't want you to read.

More:  Bayer: Bee-Toxic Pesticide Killed German Bees, But Is Safe in America
 
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As we have detailed in a number of stories, a pesticide (clothianidin) produced by Bayer may be  responsible, at least in part, for the precipitous decline of the bee population in the last few years. The pesticide was approved on the basis of a study that the EPA knew to be faulty. There is little evidence supporting Bayer's claim that clothianidin is safe (and a growing stack of evidence that it isn't).

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Re: Fish/Bird die-offs
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2011, 02:06:19 PM »
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Re: Fish/Bird die-offs
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2011, 02:47:35 PM »
Asked in 2001 if Ocean Currents were changing and then again in 2007. Duh.
Earth is a hearty old gal, us and earth creatures not so much.

Examination  of deep sea corals reveals that there have been drastic changes to oceanic  currents in the western North Atlantic since the 1970s. The influence of the cold  water Labrador Current, which is in periodic interchange with the warm Gulf  Stream, has been decreasing continually since the 1970s. Occurring at the same  time as Global Warming this phenomenon is unique in the past 2000 years. These  results are reported by researchers from the University of Basel and Eawag in  the current edition of the scientific journal «PNAS». January 2011
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Re: Fish/Bird die-offs
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2011, 02:57:10 PM »
I wonder about that "in the last 2000 yrs" though. The climate of northern European countries bathed by the Gulf Stream has changed dramatically, back and forth, w/i the last 1000 years (modern European history). Volcanic activity has to be taken into account too, especially in the mid-C18.

 

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