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The People Are The Enemy/S. 1867-DoD Authorization Act
« on: November 27, 2011, 11:17:12 AM »
I don't know what to call this or where to put it. I haven't seen any msm on it nor that many bloggers. It's called the S. 1867 The Department of National Defense Authorization Act. http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/senators-demand-military-lock-american-citizens-battlefield-they-define-being


The ACLU link tells us there is the Udall Amendment that should solve this, but what I'm wondering is what the ptb are expecting to even dream this shit up. Massive civil disorder? Coming soon?


There is a blogpost I found that gives the basics @ willyloman- http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2011/11/26/s-1867-the-department-of-defense-authorization-act-its-more-convoluted-than-you-think/


The scary thing is that the FBI/HS have basically already said that protesting is a form of domestic terrism. So if passed I guess we could expect to see all the OWS protesters taken away. Thank gawd there are no leaders, they could get disappeared under this act. And the 'everywhere' thing includes Canadians; which makes me suspicious of the new CSIS plan to practice their craft 'everywhere'.


It's the 'refinements' of the Police State of Amerika, the final touches. They are no longer screwing around people.
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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2011, 01:41:42 PM »
The ACLU link tells us there is the Udall Amendment that should solve this, but what I'm wondering is what the ptb are expecting to even dream this shit up. Massive civil disorder? Coming soon?


Oh dear, seems Willyloman has an issue with Rob Anders of the ACLU for not providing links to the full Udall Amendment etc.
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2011/11/27/as-written-sections-1031-and-1032-of-s-1867-does-not-apply-to-u-s-citizens/


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First thing to notice about Mr. Anders’ article is that he makes absolutely no attempt to link the readers to the actual text of the bill which he bases his panic inducing headline. Instead what he does is repeatedly link the reader to his “oppose section 1031 and 1032 of the NDAA” action page. I count 9 links to his action page which are cleverly disguised as “Udall Amendment” and other things that would make the reader think would be links to things which support his argument, but they don’t. Nowhere in the article does Mr. Anders supply a link to the Udall amendment which he expects you to support, sight unseen I suppose.
Why wouldn’t Mr. Anders of the ACLU want to link his readers to the

This is all highly convulted stuff.


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Quite simply, the Udall amendment will remove the wording of section 1032 which clearly states that it does not apply to U.S. citizens, and in it’s place substitute language which calls for the head of the Department of Homeland Security, Hillary Clinton, Leon Pannetta, and Eric Holder to get together and craft legislation, on their own, to submit back to congress which effectively does the same thing that section 1032 does, but seemingly may or may not actually apply to U.S. citizens.That’s right… Udall’s proposal suggests letting globalist Hillary Clinton and her puppets rewrite something akin to the John Yoo torture memos. As written, section 1031 specifically states that it does NOT extend the powers of the executive branch under current interpretations of the war powers act whereas Mr. Udall’s proposed amendment clearly DOES provide for that end result.



Creighton's conclusion
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The Udall amendment which we are being asked to support by Mr. Anders of the ACLU would actually provide the opportunity for the expansion of presidential authority to perhaps include U.S. citizens being detained and arrested by the military. It calls for a group of globalist puppets to put together a proposal and to show the legal authority by which they base their claim for expanded powers. This is why it will be supported by the Obama administration.
It should not be supported by us.[/l]
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Re: The People Are The Enemy/S. 1867-DoD Authorization Act
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2011, 11:38:47 AM »
Emptywheel's take - http://www.emptywheel.net/2011/11/30/efforts-to-combat-levin-mccain-dont-do-anything-to-prohibit-indefinite-detention-of-americans/


Open Salon on Greenwald's take - http://open.salon.com/blog/libbyliberalnyc/2011/12/02/cong_authorizing_govt_to_abductimprison_citizens_on_us_soil


Now I wonder if passed, they would detain Helen Thomas for a recent comment to the National Press Club audience, she said - Regarding the future, she did find a ray of hope: “I want people to rise up, and they are….We should all hit the streets and call for revolution.”
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2011, 11:13:59 AM »
One day left, altho firedoglake wrote this yest. and it says 2 days left. Most agree it doesn't matter if Obama vetos it, because it has majority in both Houses, vetoing is just an election ploy.
http://my.firedoglake.com/debbierlus/2011/12/11/two-days-left-until-american-citizens-can-be-detained-indefinitely-without-charges-by-their-own-government/


I think this information needs to be pinned to the top of every progressive blog on the web.  This is terrifying, outrageous, surreal, and totally unforgivable by this Congress and the Obama administration.
One thing I don't understand is why Levin suddenly put the entire affair into Obama's court. The video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLiKvSz_wX8
The other thing I don't understand is, are Canadians included when go to U.S. or included right here at home by their authority with Harpo's blessing. Obama is suppose to leave for Hawaii this week for 17 days, but he also vowed he would have Congress stay over the Xmas holidays in order to get thru the payroll tax deduction extension. 

P.S. Interesting that Dec. 15th is Bill of Rights Day. There seems to be a kind of media blackout on this, so the other only url I can provide for further reading is ACLU - http://www.aclu.org/search?logic=any&type=blog,news,press_release&cpi=&cpi=i603


It's also not lost on many of the commenters re: this bill, that there are 20,000 extra military troops in the U.S. right now. From WaPo 2008 - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/30/AR2008113002217.html


I need some SUNSHINE!

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« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2011, 06:45:39 PM »
WH will not veto the Bill. WH will back off millionaire's tax. SOPA tomorrow.
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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2011, 08:37:17 PM »
Greenwald gives us another great post re: the Bill that has codified what we already know is happening, has been happening.  http://www.salon.com/writer/glenn_greenwald/


I know I'm a bit obsessed with this, but it's because I feel as if the WH has thrown the first stone and rocks are going to be lobbed. Oh sure the WH knows the people won't do a dam thing against them, they are too afraid now, every loophole is closed off, but I can't help but think there is going to be carnage one way or another.


Anyways that lead me to re-read alternet's article on Inverted Totalitarianism.
http://www.alternet.org/news/85728/?page=entire


Re-reading it I see the Con playbook (here at home and abroad everywhere) very well in a few paragraphs: democracy is a 'brand', 'managed democracy' is the goal. We don't stand a chance.


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The main social sectors promoting and reinforcing this modern Shangri-La are corporate power, which is in charge of managed democracy, and the military-industrial complex, which is in charge of Superpower. The main objectives of managed democracy are to increase the profits of large corporations, dismantle the institutions of social democracy (Social Security, unions, welfare, public health services, public housing and so forth), and roll back the social and political ideals of the New Deal. Its primary tool is privatization. Managed democracy aims at the "selective abdication of governmental responsibility for the well-being of the citizenry" under cover of improving "efficiency" and cost-cutting.
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Wolin argues, "The privatization of public services and functions manifests the steady evolution of corporate power into a political form, into an integral, even dominant partner with the state. It marks the transformation of American politics and its political culture from a system in which democratic practices and values were, if not defining, at least major contributing elements, to one where the remaining democratic elements of the state and its populist programs are being systematically dismantled." This campaign has largely succeeded. "Democracy represented a challenge to the status quo, today it has become adjusted to the status quo."
One other subordinate task of managed democracy is to keep the citizenry preoccupied with peripheral and/or private conditions of human life so that they fail to focus on the widespread corruption and betrayal of the public trust. In Wolin's words, "The point about disputes on such topics as the value of sexual abstinence, the role of religious charities in state-funded activities, the question of gay marriage, and the like, is that they are not framed to be resolved. Their political function is to divide the citizenry while obscuring class differences and diverting the voters' attention from the social and economic concerns of the general populace." Prominent examples of the elite use of such incidents to divide and inflame the public are the Terri Schiavo case of 2005, in which a brain-dead woman was kept artificially alive, and the 2008 case of women and children living in a polygamous commune in Texas who were allegedly sexually mistreated.
Another elite tactic of managed democracy is to bore the electorate to such an extent that it gradually fails to pay any attention to politics. Wolin perceives, "One method of assuring control is to make electioneering continuous, year-round, saturated with party propaganda, punctuated with the wisdom of kept pundits, bringing a result boring rather than energizing....[/l]
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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2011, 03:06:36 PM »
List of companies who SUPPORT/APPROVE of SOPA. Boycott them. Why tf Revlon or Tiffany's is on the list I have no idea, it's not like you can download a fekkin diamond or a new lipstick. I'm told many big companies are using pseudonyms on that list. Monsanto for instance.


http://judiciary.house.gov/issues/Rouge%20Websites/SOPA%20Supporters.pdf


http://americancensorship.org/
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« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2012, 01:58:32 PM »
So Obama signed the DoD Authorization Act on New Years Eve. Happy 2012. He said he didn't want to, didn't really like it as worded, but sign it he did.


NOW we have an updated version of the Enemy Expatriation Act.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-3166


which basically says they can take away your U.S. citizenship if you are "engaging in or supporting hostilities against the United States". 'hostilities' to be decided by them as well. I hope it dies in committee, but I thought the NDAA would as well, so I guess this is the companion legislation to go with it. U.S.A. is now a nutter police state. The population doesn't even seem to be paying attention, of course there is a media blackout on NDAA/SOPA and now the EEA. Meantime over a quarter of a million people in Hungary are protesting because they see they are sliding very quickly into Fascism. Opposition in Hungary say their biggest fear is the next gov't won't take away what's in the new constitution. Same thing for U.S. Wow.
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2012, 01:18:12 PM »
In protest of Congress’ interest in passing the legislation, Raw Story will join with sites like BoingBoing[Reddit, Wikipedia,IMGUR and black out from 8 am ET until 8 pm ET tomorrow, just to demonstrate what the government could end up doing to Americans in service of corporate interests (and their political donations and lobbying dollars). :applause :applause
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/01/17/announcement-raw-story-to-go-dark-on-january-18-to-protest-sopapipa/
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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2012, 02:41:21 PM »
Even  http://icanhascheezburger.com/ is supporting SOPA black/white-out. I'm dying here, LULZ, why? because I'm just a laughing fool, no really here's why, I've decided Bob Rae is LULZ over cheezeburga too, not 22 minutes bloopers!


http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/01/18/22-minutes-bob-rae-liberal-convention_n_1212616.html?ref=canada
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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2012, 05:17:33 AM »
Liking today's Wikipedia banner. "Thank you for protecting Wikipedia. We're not done yet."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_national_happiness

Was reading about Bhutan again. Some smart ass at CBC said that they could think of no better country than the US to live next to, so I responded.

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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2012, 11:59:47 PM »
The Feds shut down Megaupload day after non-violent, civil disobedience and have arrested the executives. Swizz Beatz was not included in the indictment. Beatz is married to Alicia Keyes. He has his own legal issues tho -  http://www.bet.com/news/music/2012/01/19/swizz-beatz-in-legal-battle-with-universal-music-over-megaupload.html
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/01/megaupload-indicted-shuttered/


Anonymous was really pissed so shut down the DoJ/RIAA/MPAA/FBI/ and Copyright Office. Biggest in anonymous history. http://gizmodo.com/5877679/anonymous-kills-department-of-justice-site-in-megaupload-revenge-strike


Their statement on pastebin - http://pastebin.com/WEydcBVV


Of course this could be used to justify passing SOPA/PIPA, did anyone think of that?  And now I'm worried. There have been articles in the last year or two on false-flags re: LulzSec (who have never demanded democracy/freedom/justice) 4Chan/Anonymous. Richard Clarke said (I don't remember when) that as soon as there is a i9/11 event then the i-draconian bill goes thru, ready and waiting.

An article on Kim Schmitz -  http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-20087753-261/the-mystery-man-behind-megaupload-piracy-fight/ Just EWWWWWW!


P.S. They were all denied Bail.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/6288082/NZ-residents-on-internet-piracy-charges-denied-bail


More than 70 police, including the armed offenders squad, searched Coatesville's $30 million "Dotcom" mansion and nine others in Auckland early this morning as part of the swoop.
Wormald said it was a complex operation that was planned with the help of four FBI agents who flew to New Zealand this week.
Well well well, and this was done Without SOPA, that's amazing. :confused
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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2012, 11:21:47 AM »

Well well well, and this was done Without SOPA, that's amazing. :confused

Makes you wonder why they need even more power, that's for sure. :mad2
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