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« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2007, 02:19:59 PM »
Wasn't sure where to put this but this might be a good place.

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« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2007, 11:16:27 PM »
Oh this should help. The gangsta's in Dallas have spoken. Nafta will make it happen, afterall we're not sovereign when it comes to oil/gas.

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The U.S. wants Canada to dramatically expand its oil exports from the Alberta oilsands, a move that could have major implications on the environment.

U.S.and Canadian oil executives and government officials met for a two-day oil summit in Houston in January 2006 and made plans for a "fivefold expansion" in oilsands production in a relatively "short time span," according minutes of the meeting obtained by the CBC's French-language network, Radio-Canada.

The meeting was organized by Natural Resources Canada and the U.S. Department of Energy.

Canada is already the top exporter of oil to the American market, exporting the equivalent of one million barrels a day — the exact amount that the oilsands industry in Alberta currently produces.

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 said Bush is counting on Canada to achieve the U.S. of goal to wean the country off Middle Eastern oil — a goal now defined as a national security objective.

"He wanted to have a reduction of 1.5 million barrels a day by 2015 from the Middle East. Although he did not mention Canada, that is in fact where the replacement supply will come from."

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/01/ ... sands.html

Part of the Cons plans to go geen; well this is going to get very interesting. According to this the meeting happened BEFORE they announced their bullshit plan. But then of course it's not really a plan to lower emissions, it's a plan to become the world's best exporter of lowering emissions equipment. Altho none has been invented yet. So is all that money going to R & D.

Okay this does it for me, there has got to be a coalition or we're F'ed, especially if the powers-that-be (media) says we're not having another election til 08.

According to this article taxpayers will be on the hook for the nuclear power plant to be built, the insurance to cover it and gawd knows what else. Sheesh hope Sierra Defense has a big piggy bank, no doubt the first test case will come out of all this.

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The Fraser Institute is a Vancouver-based think-tank that advocates for more competitive markets and closer economic ties between Canada and the U.S. The group has previously expressed skepticism about the need for - and benefits of - regulatory action against global warming.

The report, titled Achieving Energy Security through Integrated Canadian-American Markets, calls on Ottawa and the provinces to signal a long-term commitment to market-based solutions and remove policy uncertainties arising from environmental restrictions and First Nations land claims.


http://www.businessedge.ca/article.cfm/newsID/13972.cfm

After reading that article I can now connect the dots with TILMA.
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« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2007, 12:05:20 AM »
The National covered that story tonight - that the US is asking (ordering? bribing?) Alberta to increase oil sands production fivefold. The National will have a documentary report on this Friday night. The oil sands are already our biggest contributor to global warming - imagine what it will be like if production increases fivefold? May as well go out and buy yourself a big SUV because it won't make any difference what you drive - the oil sands will eliminate any progress made by driving low-emissions vehicles.

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« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2007, 12:13:15 AM »
Thanks BB, I will look forward to that, as well the MPP's who run in by-elections, they are suppose to have something to say about the environment.
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« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2007, 12:28:46 AM »
U.S. urges 'fivefold expansion' in Alberta oilsands production

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The U.S. wants Canada to dramatically expand its oil exports from the Alberta oilsands, a move that could have major implications on the environment.

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A fivefold increase would mean the exportation of five million barrels a day, which would supply a quarter of current American consumption and add up to almost half of all U.S. imports.

But the current extraction of oil from the tarsands results in the spewing of millions of tonnes of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere: it's already the biggest source of new greenhouse gas emissions in Canada.

The news of call for the massive boost in oil production comes as Prime Minister Stephen Harper has pledged to make the environment one of his top priorities, vowing that Canadians deserve more action on climate change. Polls show the environment is the number one concern of Canadians.

Yet, according to the minutes of the Houston meeting, to multiply its output by five and to do it quickly, Canada would have to "streamline" its environmental regulations for new energy projects.

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« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2007, 10:53:15 AM »
Well after sleeping on it BB I'd hazard a guess that there is lots more we don't know about that the Stephen Harpo Party has done. This is starting to feel like deep integration. And since there is no infor coming from them we have nothing to back up our suspicions with when we (I) write to our MP's.

Perhaps the environmental/climate change experts will come out and yell all of this from the rooftops, they had better, because Canadians just don't pay attention. We should have been dismantling nafta already before it got to this point. Well g'mornin off to the bloggers to see what's up. Hope they have made some connections with this and the reversed decisions on income trusts and energy investment. Even the Premiers are guilty of holding back about this.
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« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2007, 06:48:27 PM »
Carbon reduction actions:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/cash/story/0,,1994984,00.html

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When Andy Ross weighs up the merits of putting on a woolly jumper or turning up the heating on a cold January morning, his gas bill is not the only consideration; there's also the small matter of the planet to weigh up.

The civil engineer is at the vanguard of a small but growing band of people across Britain who have decided to cut their own carbon emissions rather than rely on the 'green salve' of carbon-offsetting, the merits of which are increasingly questioned by environmentalists....
Several good links near the bottom on carbon reduction, calculations, etc.
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« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2007, 12:18:33 PM »
Holy Shite, check out this Blight on Alberta from Big City Lib, Tar Sands from Space.

http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com/

Hee-hee, Coyne posted defending hisself. Saying he did not say Eastern Snobs, but Urban Snobs

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« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2007, 12:16:18 PM »
US science teachers in the pockets of Big Oil:

Science a la Joe Camel
http://tinyurl.com/yd24d7

At hundreds of screenings this year of "An Inconvenient Truth," the first
thing many viewers said after the lights came up was that every student in every school in the United States needed to see this movie.

The producers of former vice president Al Gore's film about global warming, myself included, certainly agreed. So the company that made the documentary decided to offer 50,000 free DVDs to the National Science Teachers Association (NSTA) for educators to use in their classrooms. It seemed like a no-brainer.

The teachers had a different idea: Thanks but no thanks, they said.

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Still, maybe the NSTA just being extra cautious. But there was one more
curious argument in the e-mail: Accepting the DVDs, they wrote, would place  "unnecessary risk upon the [NSTA] capital campaign, especially certain targeted supporters." One of those supporters, it turns out, is the Exxon Mobil Corp.

That's the same Exxon Mobil that for more than a decade has done everything possible to muddle public understanding of global warming and stifle any serious effort to solve it. It has run ads in leading newspapers (including this one) questioning the role of manmade emissions in global warming, and financed the work of a small band of scientific skeptics who have tried to challenge the consensus that heat-trapping pollution is drastically altering our atmosphere. The company spends millions to support groups such as the Competitive Enterprise Institute that aggressively pressure lawmakers to oppose emission limits.

It's bad enough when a company tries to sell junk science to a bunch of
grown-ups. But, like a tobacco company using cartoons to peddle cigarettes, Exxon Mobil is going after our kids, too.

other links to this story:

An Inconvenient Truth Squeezed from Classrooms

http://consciousearth.blogspot.com/2006 ... -from.html

Science teachers' association accused of oil company influence

http://www.world-science.net/othernews/061127_nsta.htm

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« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2007, 12:36:25 PM »
The open pit mines are the least of the problems for the oil sands ......
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Tar Sands from Space.

80% of the oil sands are economically unreachable from surface mining - so future open pits will be limited.

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Until recently, most oilsands were extracted via mining. However 80 percent of the Athabasca oil sands are too deep to mine.


http://www.opticanada.com/technology/bitumen_extraction/

The water corruption comes in the processing of the raw sands ..... it is called a "hot water treatment" - so that is some indication of its' foundation.

The big plants work very hard to recycle what water they use - for no other reasons than it already had anti-coagulants and various chemicals added. More than one claims that they 100% recycle - that is put no effluent into the Athabasca River, the supply.
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« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2007, 11:28:42 PM »
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UN dossier 'ends all climate-change doubt'

ALISTER DOYLE AND IAN JOHNSTON(ijohnston@scotsman.com)

* More than 90% chance that climate change caused by humans

* Report predicts sea levels may rise less than previously thought by 2100

* If immediate action is taken, temperature rises may also be curtailed

Key quote:

"I hope this report will shock people, governments, into taking more serious action, as you really can't get a more authentic and a more credible piece of scientific work." - Rajendra Pachauri, IPCC chairman


Story in full:

CLIMATE change is real and set to cause dramatic temperature rises in the coming century, according to a leaked draft of a major United Nations report.

The study, by a panel of 2,500 scientists who advise the UN, is the most complete overview of climate-change science and will be published next month by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) after a final review.

The IPCC's reports are regarded by many environmentalists as cautious, because the findings have to be agreed by member states including oil-producing countries such as Saudi Arabia.

The draft, which was leaked by scientific sources, says it is "very likely" - more than a 90 per cent chance - that human activities, led by burning fossil fuels, are to blame for warming since 1950. The previous report in 2001 said the link was "likely"...


http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=134472007
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« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2007, 05:05:09 AM »
To torture myself, I guess -- why else? -- I read Margaret Wente's column yesterday on the IPCC report, which you can find here.

How does she do it? Even when she is forced to accept that she chose the wrong wrong wrong team years ago, even as she is forced to admit the major truths, she finds a way to deny them. She is the most perverse columnist.  :evil:

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« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2007, 08:07:16 AM »
Where do you get that thing?

I just couldn't read through the whole Wente column, in which she seems to be saying - not admitting - that climate change is the truth but she is not going to change her deliberately wasteful behaviour one iota, although she lives in Tranna (think she used to live up in Markham, but is now living in the Beaches, no?) And anyway, her SUV isn't THAT big...

She has another column (which I haven't read) on "Ozzie and Harriet marriages" and the gap between rich and poor. Typical to choose a metaphor which is a) USian and b) (and far more important) without meaning or resonance for anyone under 45. I scarcely remember that show, and remember it even back then as very old-fashioned and dull...
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« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2007, 08:47:49 AM »
This is the first Margaret Wente column I've ever read. At least she informs us she's a skeptic, so you have to keep that in mind. I think she raises some interesting points in this column - and the only reason I read it through is because I watched the Al Gore film (twice) and wanted to read her take on it.

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- "The climate debate focuses almost entirely on mitigation (how we can slow down global warming). But climate scientists and policy experts say that in the short term -- our lifetimes -- our most important insurance policy is adaptation. Nothing we do to cut emissions will reduce the risk from hurricanes or rising seas in the short term. But there are other ways to reduce the risk. We can build storm-surge defences, stop building in coastal areas and make sure we protect our fresh-water supplies from salination. We also can develop crops that will do well in hotter climates.

"Adaptation" is not a word that figures much in climate-change debates. Activists (and much of the general public) think it sounds lazy and defeatist. But the experts talk about adaptation all the time."


- "He (Mark Jaccard) argues that the best way to cut down on emissions is to clean up fossil fuels -- which, like it or not, will still be our main source of energy for the next few decades. Cleaning up fossil fuels is far more feasible than, say, imagining we can replace them any time soon with wind or solar or biomass or hydrogen.

How to clean up fossil fuels? Tell the energy industry that it must capture a growing amount of the carbon it emits, by scrubbing it out or dumping it back into the ground. Set the targets and let the industry figure out how to meet them. Start gradually and ramp up. Small changes starting now will reap huge benefits down the road -- not in time for the next hurricane season, but in generations to come."

This last line of hers, though, bothers me:

 "As for Al Gore, here's one prediction you can bank on: Even though much of what he says is dubious or just plain wrong, he's going to win that Oscar anyway."

Harrummph I read elsewhere that RealScience said most of the science in the Al Gore film is valid.  I think she's being unnecessarily dismissive of a basically good (and entertaining) film.

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« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2007, 08:49:17 AM »
Thing? What thing?

You mean the new access to the G&M? That seems to be Holly Stick's discovery. It works.  :)

 

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