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« on: January 20, 2007, 11:25:17 AM »
It's official. Hillary is in.

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Hillary Clinton steps into U.S. presidential race

Six years after making history by winning a United States Senate seat as first lady, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton announced Saturday that she was taking the first formal step to seek the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008, a journey that would break yet more political barriers in her extraordinary and controversial career.

"I'm in," she says in a statement on her new campaign Web site. "And I'm in to win."

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She joins Senator Barack Obama of Illinois, who announced plans to run on Tuesday; former Senator John Edwards of North Carolina, the 2004 vice presidential nominee; Senators Joseph Biden Jr. of Delaware and Christopher Dodd of Connecticut; former Governor Tom Vilsack of Iowa; and Representative Dennis Kucinich of Ohio. An eighth, Governor Bill Richardson of New Mexico, is expected to declare on Sunday that he is forming an exploratory committee as well.


IHT

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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2007, 11:31:29 AM »
What fresh slime is there for the foxies to throw at her?  This is going to get ugly.

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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2007, 11:53:16 AM »
I see gossip on some other sites that suggests the Hillary camp has been sliming the Obama camp some -- something about his undisclosed Muslim upbringing? Very weird.

There were also links to right-wingnutbatters that I really couldn't read for long without becoming ill.

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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2007, 11:54:33 AM »
i don't need no stinkin' rightwingnutbatters to feel sick to my stomach.  i've got the sat'day grope fer that.

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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2007, 12:07:53 PM »
Here is the link from the other place

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Hillary's team has questions about Obama's Muslim background


Are the American people ready for an elected president who was educated in a Madrassa as a young boy and has not been forthcoming about his Muslim heritage?

 This is the question Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton?s camp is asking about Sen. Barack Obama.

An investigation of Mr. Obama by political opponents within the Democratic Party has discovered that Mr. Obama was raised as a Muslim by his stepfather in Indonesia. Sources close to the background check, which has not yet been released, said Mr. Obama, 45, spent at least four years in a so-called Madrassa, or Muslim seminary, in Indonesia.

"He was a Muslim, but he concealed it," the source said. "His opponents within the Democrats hope this will become a major issue in the campaign."

When contacted by Insight, Mr. Obama?s press secretary said he would consult with ?his boss? and call back. He did not.



Ugly, indeed.

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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2007, 12:14:15 PM »
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She joins Senator Barack Obama of Illinois, who announced plans to run on Tuesday


What I read, unless things have changed in the last couple days is that Obama formed a committee to look into running .... somewhat distant from committing himself to the race. (rather a wussy option - the the difference is important)
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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2007, 12:15:54 PM »
Try this:

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I'll be repeating this a lot during the next few years, so get used to it: there is nothing "compelling" about a black man impregnating a white woman. In more than one Toronto neighbourhood, that's what they call "Saturday night."


I'm not linking to that place, but you can find it through Dawg's Blawg.

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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2007, 12:35:25 PM »
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Barack Obama for Spelling Bee Champ!  
That's what he reminds me of: a polite, earnest young fellow .....



he begins sensibly enough ... I have no doubt that Obama, should he run, is only searching out the lay of the land before his serious run in 5 years or so.

That Black, "stupid or both" seems to come from another galaxy.
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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2007, 12:54:42 PM »
Oop...just discovered this:
"Right-wing media figures claim Clinton behind Obama/Muslim smears"
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InsightMag.com is the successor to Insight on the News, a biweekly magazine published until April 2004 by News World Communications, the company controlled by Rev. Sun Myung Moon that also operates The Washington Times and the wire service United Press International. The website describes itself as a "weekly Internet news magazine."

The InsightMag.com article claimed that "sources close" to a "background check" supposedly "conducted by researchers connected to Senator Clinton" said that "[t]he idea is to show Obama as deceptive" and speculated that the "predominantly" Muslim school that Obama has admitted he once attended might have taught "a Wahhabi doctrine that denies the rights of non-Muslims"
And, of course, the wingy-right merkin media are running with it...
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On his program, Limbaugh read the story and claimed: "This is Hillary's team doing this. This is not a bunch of Republicans saying this. They wouldn't dare; they don't have the guts."

[Fox News' John Gibson] addressed the InsightMag.com article as his "Big Story" at the beginning of the show and again in his "My Word" segment at the end of the program. After claiming that Clinton "has reportedly outed Obama's madrassa past," Gibson told Republican strategist Terry Holt: "Now, we have heard about dirty politics before. Republicans aren't involved in this one." Holt responded: "This was either a despicable act by an absolutely ruthless Clinton political machine -- we know that they are capable of doing this. But I also thought, you know, it wasn't directly linked to Hillary Clinton.

Though I was shocked by the suggestion that Hillary tried to do this, I fell for it, even though I thought it was beneath her. Something tells me she had nothing to do with it.
I'm no fan of HC but I guess we have to take everything in US media with a giant can of salt. :roll:
See also: "Say Anything"  another Media Matters article on the smearing of John Edwards, Barack Obama & Hillary Clinton.
(h/t Atrios)

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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2007, 01:03:01 PM »
Word, gdkitty.  (Have you and lagatta worked out a pecking -- er, purring order yet?)

See also this:    Limbaugh on Obama: "If he's got fire in his hands, what has he got in his pants?"

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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2007, 01:11:09 PM »
Well done, GDKitty. I sit corrected.

I am maybe a bit of a patsy for this stuff because USian electoral politics annoy me anyway; the Dems annoy me; the Clintons really annoy me; so ...

However, I don't think that Hillary is bad in that way. Others, yes, but not like that. That looks much more like a rightie smear on both camps at once.

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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2007, 01:16:55 PM »
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... Limbaugh on Obama: "If he's got fire in his hands, what has he got in his pants?"
Unfekkingbelievable...

He set himself up perfectly for this retort, though.  "Rushie - old bubba, Barack AND Hillary each have great big somethings that you don't got and that you compensate for with your whiney bombast... And they don't keep them in their pants, they keep them under their hats.   It's called brains."

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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2007, 01:35:18 PM »
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... Limbaugh on Obama: "If he's got fire in his hands, what has he got in his pants?"
Unfekkingbelievable...
He set himself up perfectly for this retort, though.  "Rushie - old bubba, Barack AND Hillary each have great big somethings that you don't got and that you compensate for with your whiney bombast... And they don't keep them in their pants, they keep them under their hats.   It's called brains."
:rotfl: deBeauxOs has nailed it again. I presume dB's referring to this: "Rush Limbaugh's Dominican Stag Party"
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JULY 6--Rush Limbaugh was traveling with four other men--including the producers of the hit show "24"--when he was detained over a mislabeled bottle of Viagra found in his luggage during a Customs search. [...] Included in the material released were a copy of the handwritten statement Limbaugh provided investigators after he was detained upon the discovery of the impotency drug. An affidavit sworn three days later by Limbaugh was also released. In that document, Limbaugh explains that the Viagra "was intended for my exclusive use" and that the drug had been prescribed in the name of his drug treatment doctor, Steven Strumwasser, "to further maintain and protect my privacy."

The imagery is rich and deeply disturbing :rotfl:

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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2007, 01:40:15 PM »
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Well done, GDKitty. I sit corrected.
I am maybe a bit of a patsy for this stuff because USian electoral politics annoy me anyway; the Dems annoy me; the Clintons really annoy me; so ...
However, I don't think that Hillary is bad in that way. Others, yes, but not like that. That looks much more like a rightie smear on both camps at once.

I'm with you for sure--I will be very upset if Hillary is 'the best' the Dems can offer in 2008, but I have never sensed an overtly racist streak. She is also too clever to stoop to hamfisted 'leaks' of this nature. This is definitely the work of an amateur winger, but of course "It takes an amateur...to get the MSM to take the bait"

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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2007, 01:50:37 PM »
I'm a registered Democrat. Last time I voted for Edwards. I'll make my vote a collective BnR vote(if I agree, ooh, getting infected by Imperialosimus). I won't vote Hillary. Dunno why, but she gets up my nose.

Who do you like?

 

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