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« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2008, 07:13:07 AM »
The Bowl Championship Series is an attempt to ascertain a national champion, no?

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The Bowl Championship Series (BCS) is designed to pair the top two teams in college football against each other for a National Championship game. The system also selects matchups for the other prestigious BCS bowl games. The ten teams selected include the conference champion from each of the six BCS conferences plus four others ("at-large" selections). The top-ranked and second-ranked teams are pitted in the BCS National Championship Game in order to crown an unofficial NCAA Division I FBS national football champion. The winner is also required to be voted number one by the Coaches Poll. It has been in place since the 1998 season. Prior to the 2006 season eight teams competed in four BCS Bowls. The BCS replaced the Bowl Alliance (in place from 1995–1997), which followed the Bowl Coalition (in place from 1992–1994).


Haven't much followed the evolution that lead to the BCS.  Think I liked the old system where the Orange Bowl got played last, on the Monday night and the Rose Bowl had to feature the Big Ten champions playing the Pac Ten champtions.  That's only because that's the way it was growing up though.  

Watched the game.  It started out good.  Lots of back and forth, decent plays, etc.  Was glad to see the Tigers win too, I think.  There were some really intriguing human interest angles to some of the players.  One was profiled that wore metal braces on his legs for years as a child.  Told he was never going to be able to walk properly let alone be able to play football at the elite level.

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« Reply #31 on: January 08, 2008, 04:33:21 PM »
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The Bowl Championship Series is an attempt to ascertain a national champion, no?


Yes, and it's nutty because people vote for the top two as opposed to having, say, a legitimate athletic contest in which teams are eliminated. Just to throw out a crazy idea... surely nothing like that has been done before...

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« Reply #32 on: January 08, 2008, 11:02:55 PM »
A big yes, and a big no here from croghan. If we had a Janus smilie this would be the place for it/him/her/them.

Remeber these are school teams - even if they have a lot of professional trappings and they bring back megga-bucks to the colleges. Colleges in that bastion of free enterprise to the south are mostly corporations (save places like Army and Navy) - and the corps are just do'in what corps do.  :D

The players are students. Christmas is exam time - so to maintain both the fiction and actuality there are no games in December.

Add to that that there are more teams in each division that there are nuts from trees. All the colleges want to get some of the lucre generated by alumni getting sloshed at games.

here is wiki trying to explain the unexplainable.
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« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2008, 04:14:58 AM »
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The players are students. Christmas is exam time - so to maintain both the fiction and actuality there are no games in December.
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I've heard that, and I just don't buy it. There is room in the schedule for one or two more layers to determine the top 2. Only a handful of teams would have to compete, the regular season ends by Mid-November for many schools anyway, and if they really were crunched for time why not lop a game off of the regular season to make room for a meaningful playoff? The best teams schedule out of conference games against strong teams anyway to stay competitive in the running for BCS -- why not stick those games at the end of the season and make them a playoff?

I do agree that it's all about the money.

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« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2008, 11:22:16 AM »
I'd definitely agree that the money angle obliterates the education/players need time to study for exams aspect.  It's all about the munnee.  Watching the LSU/OSU game Monday night made for some very cynical observations about how deep the money/corporate sponsorship/signage permeated the game.

Football is a physically brutal sport.  Have no doubt that if it were possible to run the players out for even one more game, it would be done.

Agree with vmichel that a playoff system would be good. The conference champions and a handful of wild card teams could play over three weekends.  I suspect croghan is right about the power of the alumni, and giving up regular season games would cost the schools that didn't make the playoffs.

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« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2008, 11:53:15 AM »
The promotion of college football at the moment is more similar to boxing than anything else. Each big bowl game is pretty much independent, and they each want a marquee matchup of two nationally popular, big name schools. Whether those teams are actually better than some of the teams from smaller conferences is immaterial. Who gives a rat's ass if Boise State or Hawaii might actually be one of the top teams? Boise State doesn't sell tickets. Hawaii doesn't add to TV ratings. So you do the minimum amount possible to keep those smaller conferences on board (at the moment, that minimum possible is, if a team outside the major conferences has a fantastic season, you give them a token bowl appearance and a huge appearance fee which is essentially a bribe, split amongst the other schools in the conference as compensation for having no legitimate chance to play for a national championship, no matter how good they are).

Nobody wants to risk a playoff system when everybody's getting paid the way it is right now. If you run the Rose Bowl, do you want to run the risk of that being turned into a West Virginia vs San Diego State quarter-final game in any given year?

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« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2008, 10:27:43 AM »
We are now into the second week of croghan27's holy season - NFL Playoffs ..... the 'also rans' have been shucked off or proved they deserve to be there: the leaders have enjoyed their earned rest and are set to go ....

This afternoon Seattle, who so soundly defeated Washington last week their coach retired (again)*, is playing Green Bay @ 4:30.

Of interest in this is that Mike Holmgren, the Seattle coach won a Superbowl with Green Bay and Bret Fave as QB. (against New England  :annoyed: )

Seattle is a good team in a lousy division, NFC West; while Green Bay is a good team in a mediocre division, NFC North. Interesting is it, that the Packers are currently the only non-profit, community owned major league professional sports team in the United States. Be surprised if injury restricted Seattle manages much against the healthy Packers.

Tonight - the team of NOW, plays the team of tomorrow - the Jacksonville Jaguars go to Forborough (Boston) to play the (my) practically perfect  New England Patriots.

The Jag tend to be an excellent team for three of the four quarters - while the Pats can stumble in the early going - look for a good finish.**


*That is something of a 'cheap shot' at Gibbs, who seems like an honourable man - his grandson has been diagnosed with leukemia, and he wants to attend to family matters.

**Watch New England linebacker Junior Seau. No one displays more pure joy at playing the game than he - always irreverent with the very serious NE coach, Belichick, he is playing only to get a SB ring. Each game is portentially his last.
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« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2008, 10:57:54 AM »
Thank you for that summary, Croghan.

Good lefty, I always cheer for the Packers. And since my beloved Leafs are playing a late game tonight, I'll watch some at least of your beloved Pats.

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« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2008, 12:12:08 PM »
(Sorry, I can't resist).

Fern, as a Leafs fan I'm sure you'll have some trouble understanding what you see tonight. Just as a primer, I'll let you know that tonight's games are all from the later rounds of the playoffs, which is something good teams get to participate in. Those who are ultimately successful will get to play for a conference championship. Now, the Leafs have never won one of those, so how to describe it? Basically, it's a semi-final series that determines which two teams get to play for the Super Bowl, which is the NFL's version of the Stanley Cup. Think back at least 41 years to recall what the Stanley Cup is, and what it looks like.

 :leafs: Seriously, I'll cheer for them if and when all the other Canadian teams get knocked out. A Leafs win is still better than the Lightning or the Mighty Ducks.

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« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2008, 12:18:44 PM »
Just a friendly reminder here, John D: you do remember who is butt-kicker, er, moderator in this here forum, doncha?  :twisted:

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« Reply #40 on: January 12, 2008, 12:47:24 PM »
:dueling: en garde John_D
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« Reply #41 on: January 12, 2008, 03:35:13 PM »
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Just a friendly reminder here, John D: you do remember who is butt-kicker, er, moderator in this here forum, doncha?  :twisted:


Speaking of butt kicking, off now to the local grog-shop to watch the Seattle/Greene Bay game  --- no doubt followed by a bleery New England effort. (Beware, Beware da Jags - they are not to be triffled with).  :panic
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« Reply #42 on: January 12, 2008, 07:48:09 PM »
Woo. That was fun. Green Bay wins in a snowstorm.

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« Reply #43 on: January 12, 2008, 08:07:49 PM »
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Woo. That was fun. Green Bay wins in a snowstorm.


The only way Seattle would win was wasted in several poor defensive plays. They are basically not as capable as GB, but their hope lay in being opportunistic - turnovers and interceptions. They got these, but still frittered away the advantage.

Dion Branch, Superbowl MVP (with New England) went down on the first or second play (depending on how you count) and the offensive was just not there for Seattle. I am not particularily a Green bay fan - but you could see Seattle's offense make plays so close, so very close, that receivers of better experience and quality would make the Packer 'D'  look amaturish.

The best team won - only to get chewed up by Dallas next week by Romo and a healthyT.O., after they dispatch the NY  Giants tomorrow.
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« Reply #44 on: January 12, 2008, 11:05:57 PM »
crogh looked away from the TV for a minute and when he next looked at the Pats/Jags game he saw a miracle. Bill Belichick almost seemed to smile.

Could it be that someone was reading to him his favourite comic passage: "The Death of Little Nell"?
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For she was dead. There, upon her little bed, she lay at rest. The solemn stillness was no marvel now.

She was dead. No sleep so beautiful and calm, so free from trace of pain, so fair to look upon. She seemed a creature fresh from the hand of God, and waiting for the breath of life; not one who had lived and suffered death.

or could it have been, (from NFL.com):
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(4:17) (Shotgun) 9-D.Garrard pass short middle intended for 18-M.Jones INTERCEPTED by 37-R.Harrison at NE 31. 37-R.Harrison ran ob at NE 41 for 10 yards. PENALTY on NE-36-J.Sanders, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at NE 41. NE 37-Harrison 4th consecutive postseason game with interception, ties NFL record (Aeneas Williams) NE 37-Harrison 7th interception in 7 career postseason games as a Patriot. Patriots all-time leader in postseason interceptions.


Whatever: NE 31, Jacksonville 20.  :D
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