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« on: February 14, 2007, 10:07:23 AM »
It is time for the Anglican Luthers to divorce

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In the West, there has been sexual emancipation in all walks of life. It is no longer a crime to be homosexual, though the Churches have been determined to ensure the sin remains. So it is no surprise that it has now become an issue of such combustibility in the Anglican Church, which is no longer solely the child of its Western birthplace. Anglicans in the African and Asian provinces outnumber those in the West, and are appalled at the Western Church’s accommodation of liberal ideals.

Peter Akinola, of Nigeria, the leader of the orthodox and a likely primus inter pares for a new Global South Church, is not going to compromise. Nor is the pro-gay new US Primate, Dr Katharine Jefferts Schori, who could end up leading a new Episcopal Catholic Church. Dr Akinola would see himself as in Luther’s tradition: “Here I stand. I can do no other.” Dr Schori would see herself in exactly the same way. And so would the American bishop whose consecration in 2003 triggered the inevitable crisis, the openly gay Gene Robinson. No communion is big enough for these three Luthers, all nailing opposing theses to their church doors.


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An obsession with unity is blinding Anglican leaders from seeing the truth now facing them. It would be a better, braver and more realistic course of action to separate. It is time for the Anglican Communion to divide up the assets and divorce.

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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2007, 10:09:23 AM »
I can't wait to see the outcome of this latest Donnybrook.

The Archbishop of Canterbury has been especially spineless over the last few years.

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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2007, 10:14:01 AM »
Rowan Williams (Archbishop of Canterbury) showed real promise of liberalizing the church when he became ABC, but has proven (in my eyes) to be somewhat of a disappointment. I don't want to be too hard on the guy, though, he's in an impossible position. I think a split in the church is inevitable, although it saddens me.

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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2007, 10:53:11 AM »
It is indeed a sad situation: one certainly must not caution homophobia (remembering that this can still take extremely violent forms in some member countries) but becoming a default rich white people's club is just as offensive in other ways.
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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2007, 01:20:59 PM »
I do want to be hard on Williams; he is not in an impossible situation. In an effort to avoid schism he has aligned himself with the Conservatives in the Church. They are the ones being intolerant and forcing schism. Many of these churches have yet to ordain women. I'm often uncomfortable in the Anglican Church but for a whole variety of reasons I can't bring myself to move to the United Church which is more theologically akin to my beliefs.

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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2007, 02:00:38 PM »
I was skimming the titles and I really thought that this one said "anglicans to spit".  I thought oh dear!  Not Anglicans!

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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2007, 02:25:53 PM »
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Rowan Williams (Archbishop of Canterbury


And I thought that was the guy who plays Mr. Bean   :D
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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2007, 02:43:22 PM »
The ABC is listening to all sides, and hasn't aligned with the Global South, although it may look that way at times.

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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2007, 02:46:29 PM »
Can you cite some examples of his balanced listening? It certainly wasn't acquiescing to the call for the Canadian and Us chairs to withdraw from participation in the Anglican Consultative Council.

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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2007, 02:56:48 PM »
For one, he recognises Jefferts-Schori's primacy of ECUSA, and insists she will be present at the Primate's conferences and Lambeth.


US pro-gay bishop attends Anglican meeting

DAR ES SALAAM (Reuters) - The Anglican Church's spiritual leader on Wednesday defended the presence of a pro-gay U.S. bishop at a summit to prevent schism over homosexuality, despite pressure from conservatives to have her banned.

Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, who admits he fears losing control over the row dividing the world's 77 million Anglicans, has insisted Katharine Jefferts Schori meet her critics face to face.

But he also appeased traditionalists, who have threatened to refuse to sit at the same table as the Episcopalians' first female leader, by inviting conservative U.S. church leaders to the private meeting that opened in Tanzania on Wednesday.


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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2007, 07:30:59 AM »
His "support" includes two levels of membership with "associate" membership for the more 'liberal" churches.

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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2007, 08:56:45 AM »
Actually, I think Williams is leaving any support for the Global South behind, now, because he realizes his Province (UK) will be the next target of the GS, after North America.

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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2007, 09:51:44 AM »
I think we can revisit this discussion on the 19th after we see how the Primates meeting plays out.

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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2007, 10:12:07 AM »
Am I a bad person if I think that the title "Primate" is objectively funny?

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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2007, 10:52:30 AM »
Anglican Primates begin meeting in Dar es Salaam

 

By Paul Feheley

Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, Feb. 15, 2007

On the eve of the start of the Primates' Meeting in Dar es Salaam,
Tanzania, a briefing was held setting out the agenda and some of the
priorities the primates will be dealing with over the next few days.
Archbishop Philip Abisnoll, Primate of Australia, has been designated
spokesperson for the primates.

Several primates have been unable to attend the meeting, including those
from Wales, Sudan, and Northern India. The primates of the Philippines and
Myanmar have been delayed and their status at the meeting is unclear.

At the briefing, Archbishop Abisnoll reviewed meetings held on Wednesday
Feb. 14 including a gathering for the 13 new primates who meet with the
Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, chair of the meeting. This group
of "rookie" primates discussed the role of primates, the process for their
appointments and the main issues facing their province. These included
poverty, living alongside Muslims, drought and climate change, rural
decline, shortage of young clergy, the changing roles of church and state
and the church and education.

Beginning today, the primates will deal with issues related to the Windsor
Report and assess progress that has been made with the proposals that are
in the report. These will include looking at the response to Windsor that
has come from the General Convention of The Episcopal Church (USA). In an
unusual move the Archbishop of Canterbury invited three U.S. bishops --
Robert Duncan, Chris Epting and Bruce MacPherson as well as the ECUSA
Primate, the Most Reverend Katharine Jefferts Schori to speak about the
situation in the Episcopal Church.

Another issue is a proposal that the primates become ex officio members of
the Anglican Consultative Council. The gathering will receive a draft
constitution that incorporates them into the ACC as a House of Bishops and
setting up within the council a House of Clergy and a House of Laity,
which is believed to be closer to Anglican norms around the world.

This proposal would require approval by two-thirds of the 38 provinces of
the Anglican Communion. If passed it may have an affect on future
Primates' Meetings which could be tied into meetings of the ACC.

In the next few days, the progress of other Windsor related matters will
be examined. These include the listening process, which encourages
dialogue on matters of human sexuality and enables the voices of gays and
lesbians to be heard; the Panel of Reference set up by the Archbishop of
Canterbury to examine issues related to alternate episcopal oversight and
the intervention of primates in provinces not their own. The first draft
of a covenant, which will point towards the things that all Anglican
provinces share and hold together, will also be presented.

In commenting on the agenda, the Canadian Primate, Archbishop Andrew
Hutchison acknowledged that the days ahead would be challenging. "Canada
has responded to all that has been asked in regards to the Windsor
report," he said. "We are still in the process of decision making as we
move towards our General Synod in June."

He indicated that he welcomed the opportunity to clarify for the primates
where the Canadian church is with many of the questions. He also indicated
a strong belief in the guidance of the Holy Spirit for the work and
deliberations of this gathering of Anglican leaders in the heart of
Africa.

 

Paul Feheley is principal secretary to the Canadian Primate.

 

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