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Re: Domestic Violence and Power
« Reply #30 on: April 05, 2010, 01:43:12 PM »
I don't know how much very broad categories of recovery tell us. I have friends and acquaintances of the "resilient" type who've headed off in radically different directions, eg. On the inspiring side, there's my friend S, whose wonderful husband died of cancer pretty quickly in his fifties, also leaving her in financial trouble, and who then lost her only (grown) child at the top of the North Tower of the WTC on 9/11. For a while, those of us who care for her really wondered whether all that would be too much to bear, and I don't doubt she went through hell and back, but she has become again (in her late sixties) the delightful madcap we always knew. I would never underestimate the toll those two shocks took on her, though. Sometimes you meet her eyes and you just know -- she's free because there's a part of her that doesn't fear anything any more.

Some people just repress the shocks, though, very fast. That's practical -- we all have to go on living, and that's hard enough in itself for most people already. And it's a Western cultural norm, especially for men -- shorter resilience: suck it up. You can admire the strength of will that takes, but it can sometimes lead to bitterness, ruthlessness, callousness. Returning soldiers often go through that struggle -- what did they see? what did they do? Too dangerous to remember. Sometimes the struggle makes people more sensitive too, though, more empathetic. You can't know until you look at individual cases, one by one.

I think that PTSD is very real, in the obvious dramatic cases -- soldiers and victims of torture, eg -- and then in many domestic situations, especially for children. Flashbacks are real, and overpowering. Noises in the head are real (sometimes audible to doctors), and overpowering (and often dangerous to others). We don't have the brain science yet that can do much to stop the worst manifestations of sustained stress, and we don't live in a society that wants to face the problem, either the situations that cause the stress or the subjects who just can't return on their own.

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Re: Domestic Violence and Power
« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2010, 03:22:09 PM »
People probably already know, but Col Williams pleaded guilty earlier today to all 88 charges against him. I've been following the details at the CBC liveblog.

It really is quite overwhelming. The Crown is taking the court through every single charge, and you realize quite quickly that even the b&es, thefts of lingerie, etc, were much more threatening than a brief summary of numbers would suggest. Several early cases suggest that he was targeting particular women and young girls, and there's at least one woman who's lucky to be alive just because she was going out and a friend arrived to take her away for the night while Williams was hiding in her closet.

I went from one of the CBC links to the Fifth Estate program -- very good, explains well why all the detail is merited.

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« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2010, 04:59:51 PM »
#williams
#colrw
It is when we all play safe that we create a world of utmost insecurity. It is when we all play safe that fatality will lead us to our doom. It is in the "dark shade of courage" alone that the spell can be broken.
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« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2010, 05:03:41 PM »
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/877044--williams-videotaped-murder?bn=1

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BELLEVILLE—Col. Russell Williams didn’t just take thousands of   pornographic pictures during his 82 break-ins — he videotaped the actual   murder of at least one of his victims.
The Crown confirmed in court Monday   that both murder victims, Marie-France Comeau and Jessica Lloyd, were   videotaped by Williams.
In Comeau’s case, her actual murder is on tape.
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« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2010, 05:16:58 PM »
#williams
#colrw

Ta very much. I was just trying to figure out what those would be.

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Re: Domestic Violence and Power
« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2010, 05:20:32 PM »
Y'know, I calmed down this summer, which is probably not logical, creepy-crawlies being even easier in good weather, but last February-March, I had a bad time with this story night after night. I set up booby-traps at one point -- srsly.

And yet the stories of the b&es aren't mainly about women living alone -- it's entire families. Just beyond my understanding.

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« Reply #36 on: October 18, 2010, 05:40:56 PM »
A certain judge I know says none of this is necessary given his guilty plea. So I don't understand the need for detail
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« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2010, 05:45:21 PM »
Well, I kind of understand that. Until I read the details of the b&es, the full horror of it all hadn't hit me, the full puzzle of the man who's in that courtroom today.

There are just so many. And they were all so serious, more serious than I had thought before.

I think that point had to be made. I don't think we need to watch the assault or murder videos, though. I get the full horror of the assaults and the murders, always did.

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« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2010, 07:15:35 PM »
I guess I didn't follow this case closely but all that stuff about the photos and videos, the pre-teen girls being stalked, the clothing/lingeriie... so I guess in a way, I am glad that some of this is being revealed despite the guilty plea.

What I don't get is how he could lead such a double life without detection for so long. And did he post or share any of those photos and videos? This case is so frightening, especially given his position of power. As women, we are trained to be aware of sketchy individuals but this is so disturbing.
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« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2010, 07:26:29 PM »
I avoid these kinds of stories because they're so horrible. So, I turn on P&P and there's Evan Solomon breathlessly announcing/detailing the story at every opportunity, at the same time saying how awful it is. Finally turned the !@#$!!! thing off. First time Solomon made me actually turn the TV off. :annoyed

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« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2010, 07:33:29 PM »
And did he post or share any of those photos and videos? This case is so frightening, especially given his position of power. As women, we are trained to be aware of sketchy individuals but this is so disturbing.

No, he kept it all completely secret. He appears to have had one good friend, although at a distance latterly, but who visited him, who never had a clue, and wife never had a clue (that poor woman). Nobody had a clue, and he kept being promoted.

One thing you learn from the Fifth Estate program, right at the end, is that he might have been trying to set up his neighbour in Tweed (already treated with suspicion locally) as the perp when he did the second killing. You have to see the whole plotline to grasp that, but it looks that way.


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« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2010, 07:57:04 PM »
I'm disgusted with the military. Why is no military book being thrown at Williams?
The civy trial is simply not enuf, oh I know he's trying to save his 'family' which consists of only his wife. Without a court martial he don’t have to face up to  questions. I want a court martial, I want every single.detail.the sick fuck has to give.

eta - I'm just going to say here, front and centre, his wife is still visiting him, his wife has not asked for a Divorce. Telling me she still needs to iron out the details of stuff (ka-ching$$}, not because she wants to see the sickfuck.  In this day/age I don't blame her, but for crikey sakes, tell us the truth!

eta - He videotaped at least one murder, ala Bernardo, check out his pathetic Pic in lingerie



The formal process to kick Williams out of the military would begin on   conviction, Gen. Walter Natynczyk, Chief of the Defence Staff for the   Canadian Forces, said in a statement. Yeah, except this entire civy thing seems stage managed by the military.
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Re: Domestic Violence and Power
« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2010, 08:34:38 PM »
Well, I don't know how courts martial run exactly, Toe, but I know that in no legal system in this country can testimony be compelled. Compelling testimony = torture. We don't torture anyone. At least that's the theory, and it's one I would defend.

(Actually, I think there have been attempts to shave that principle under the Anti-Terrorism Act, but that's different turf, and it's wrong anyway.)

I'm not sure what you want from him. The prosecutors are laying out all the detail, much of which he gave them. What more is there?

I don't know as much about his wife as you do, but I know she's named in a lawsuit against him, so I'm sure she's acting under legal direction. There's no reason she should be punished that I can see, and she certainly shouldn't be talking, not now, not ever.

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« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2010, 09:45:17 PM »
This is why I wanted a court martial skdadl.

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A   court martial is also vital because military members and the public     need to know every detail of how this man was promoted through the     ranks without any red   flags?                                                               
Were   there ever complaints about him? Any strange “panty raids”   on bases   he was stationed at? Have investigations into slain women in   places he   was stationed cleared him? Were blind eyes ever turned because   of his   rank? Were there any   clues?                                                               
None   of this should be glossed over because this man flew the   Queen and   other VIPs including prime ministers, Chief of Defence Gen.   Walter   Natynczyk and Defence Minister Peter McKay.                                                                   
He   was also in charge of Canada’s most important military base.   Who knows   how many steps away he was from commanding the whole military?                                                                   
“It’s   like they are doing everything to keep as far a distance   away from   him as possible,” said Drapeau. “It would be nice to know if   there was   anything they could have done to detect something. Without a   court   martial they don’t have to face up to those kind of   questions.”     
                             
They don't have to face up to those questions in a civvy trial!!! (with a Guilty Plea to ALL)  and YEAH that pisses me off!
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2010/10/14/15695681.html

eta - Oh and I don't give a flying kite about his so-called wife!!! I know she has a future and so has to protect herself, no prob with that.
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Re: Domestic Violence and Power
« Reply #44 on: October 18, 2010, 10:00:26 PM »
Well, except the police can only investigate the crimes they have to investigate, none of which was a military crime -- they were all in the community. We heard that the police were sending out feelers to all the bases he'd served at and the surrounding communities; a lot of other police forces sent in info about cold cases -- but nothing. The crimes they had to look at were the ones they charged. And those have nothing to do with the military.

If people want the military investigated for the way this guy rose through the ranks, that's fine with me, but he can't answer that question. That would take a parliamentary review, which we're very unlikely to get from this bunch.

 

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