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Debra

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« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2007, 10:53:59 AM »
:welcome ranger
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« Reply #31 on: August 10, 2007, 10:56:54 AM »
Aw, yes, sorry Ranger, they'd discussed it, but in the end, didn't select it.

(And once again my crush on Finland deepens. Is there any nation in the world more politically perfect than Finland? I think not.)

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« Reply #32 on: August 10, 2007, 01:27:03 PM »
Thanks Debra  :)

Kuri, I was also hoping for "open lists" but honestly it would have been more complicated for average voters to go there, the best way IMO is gradual for "big change", lists can be "tweaked" down the road, if the people feel a need, the Ontario CA did a great job here, and  will be able to prove that with a more "moderate" form of PR there's nothing to be afraid of.

 Closed lists do have advantages also for example a party could have a platform of 50% women 50% men gender ballance. A closed list guarantees the voter this ratio, open lists? this would be pure luck. not to mention a "long shot".
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« Reply #33 on: August 10, 2007, 01:30:20 PM »
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(And once again my crush on Finland deepens. Is there any nation in the world more politically perfect than Finland? I think not.)





Don't tell me your a "Dudeson's" fan, those guys are nuts. :rotfl:
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« Reply #34 on: August 10, 2007, 01:33:40 PM »
Hi, are you "rang-er" or "range-r"?  I think "rang-er" sounds cooler.

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« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2007, 01:35:00 PM »
http://www.thedudesons.com/main.site?ac ... /view&id=8


OK, no more thread drift, my bad  :cry:
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« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2007, 01:37:58 PM »
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Hi, are you "rang-er" or "range-r"?  I think "rang-er" sounds cooler.





YES!  :wink:
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« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2007, 01:44:42 PM »
Oh no, not another Boolean wiseguy.

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« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2007, 07:33:03 PM »
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Don't tell me your a "Dudeson's" fan, those guys are nuts. :rotfl:


Sorry, that reference means nothing to me...

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« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2007, 07:35:31 PM »
Check the link.  The Dudesons are from Finland.

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« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2007, 07:44:43 PM »
Aw, OK. Actually, that sort of diminishes my crush on Finland. :(

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« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2007, 10:10:55 PM »
:lol:
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« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2007, 03:04:55 AM »
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« Reply #43 on: August 18, 2007, 02:26:15 AM »
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I wouldn't mind a two- or three-sentence summary of why MMP is a good thing, so that I can fling it back at my big brother or someone.

Here's a handy list of principal sources for summaries, two-sentence or otherwise:

Citizens' Assembly Summary Brochure

The Citizens' Video -- Democracy at Work: The Assembly’s Decision “In Their Own Words” (My favourite.)

Vote For MMP

Equal Voice in Politics: Vote For MMP

Yes To MMP (Christine Cheng's site)

The Citizens' Assembly Report

The new system will be simple and sensible. You will still vote for your preferred local candidate just as you do now. In addition, you will also cast a vote for your preferred political party. The share of these votes that each party wins will determine its overall share of seats in the legislature.

If after the 90 riding seats are filled, a party has fewer seats than its portion of the party vote, that party wins some of the additional 39 provincial (or at-large) seats to ensure it has its fair share of the total seats. These at-large representatives are elected from provincial lists of candidates nominated by each party in advance of the election. Voters can judge these at-large candidates, as well as local candidates, and vote accordingly.

Mixed Member Proportional (MMP) will give Ontario voters the best of both worlds. You get strong local representation and fair results, with parties gaining no more, and no fewer seats than they really deserve.

With MMP, both rural and urban voters gain stronger representation. In addition to riding representatives, voters can turn to their new at-large representatives for assistance. Most at-large representatives will want to help with constituency work, particularly in areas where their party won no riding seats.

MMP will also encourage more diversity in legislatures. Most parties will find they win more votes if their at-large candidates list includes a good mix of women and minorities, or those who are less often elected in ridings.
Wilf Day
Port Hope, Ont.

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« Reply #44 on: August 18, 2007, 01:26:32 PM »
A very good summary to date Wilf.
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