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« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2007, 12:04:55 PM »
Bush Plans 'Second Surge' For Iraq

Bush could double force by Christmas
San Francisco Chronicle - The Bush administration is quietly on track to nearly double the number of combat troops in Iraq this year, an analysis of Pentagon deployment orders showed Monday.

The little-noticed second surge, designed to reinforce U.S. troops in Iraq, is being executed by sending more combat brigades and extending tours of duty for troops already there.

The actions could boost the number of combat soldiers from 52,500 in early January to as many as 98,000 by the end of this year if the Pentagon overlaps arriving and departing combat brigades.

Separately, when additional support troops are included in this second troop increase, the total number of U.S. troops in Iraq could increase from 162,000 now to more than 200,000 -- a record-high number -- by the end of the year.....
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« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2007, 04:49:45 PM »
Cindy Sheehan has said "A pox on both your houses" and got out of the anti-Iraq War movement - trashing the lot of them on the way .... the Right, the left, the peace people, the Republicans and the Democrats ...... and the media.

 
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said today she's done being the public face of the movement.

"I've been wondering why I'm killing myself and wondering why the Democrats caved in to George Bush," Sheehan told The Associated Press while driving from her property in Crawford to the airport, where she planned to return to her native California.

"I'm going home for awhile to try and be normal," she said.


here

and here is a commentary from CounterPoint.
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« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2007, 06:17:47 PM »
Is it just me or does the fact that AP quoted somebody from Free Republic as part of their report make anybody else feel sick?

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« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2007, 06:22:21 PM »
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Is it just me or does the fact that AP quoted somebody from Free Republic as part of their report make anybody else feel sick?

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FreeRepublic.com, which has held pro-troop rallies and counter-protests of anti-war demonstrations,


From what I have heard of them, if Cindy's demonstrations declined by hundreds, they would still out number their's. You are correct, it gives them a certain 'gravitas' they do not deserve.
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« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2007, 02:47:06 AM »
How closely connected are Free Republic and Free Dominion?  I am assuming their populations closely resemble one another.

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« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2007, 05:38:15 AM »
I'm not sure -- I've always assumed that Free Dominion is just a copycat wannabe. I doubt that the rapacious hordes of Free Republic ever give two thoughts to a tiny Canadian site, but yes, the populations would be much the same.

That certainly sounds like burnout for Sheehan, which is a shame, but high-profile campaigns like hers are perhaps sometimes a little naïve and destined to end that way. She says:

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"However, when I started to hold the Democratic Party to the same standards that I held the Republican Party, support for my cause started to erode and the 'left' started labeling me with the same slurs that the right used," she wrote in the diary.


-- and that makes me wonder whether she might have found the wrong left. Even the left of the Democratic Party, when they get immersed in electoral politics, tend to give in to a lot of gung-ho patriotic posturing and marketing think because they are so fixed on winning (which of course I hope they do, but still ...). That never seems to me the right place for someone really hoping to change minds among the broader public.

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« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2007, 06:11:12 AM »
There seems to be almost universal among the commentators I listen to that the Democratic approval of the war supplimentary funding bill is a complete cave in.

Pelosi's lame claim that the Bill denotes the beginning of an end of Bush's Imperial Presidency is as empty as the promises the Democrats made to voters about getting out of this horrid war. As Sheehan says - it was all about getting elected, not about withdrawal from Iraq.

The idea that not passing it would somehow leave the troops stranded in a battle field with no bullets and fewer changes of underwearis completely bogus. To pretends so is disingenuous, to say the least.

For Sheehan, who got into this by losing her son and then lost a good swack of her life, it must be a bitter pill to swallow. When I go to American blog now, blogs that used to say: Republicans NO, Democrats: SI - many of the comments are from people just wonder what they shall do now. Led astray by one party and down a garden path by the other - where are they to go?
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« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2007, 01:09:08 PM »
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Pelosi's lame claim that the Bill denotes the beginning of an end of Bush's Imperial Presidency is as empty as the promises the Democrats made to voters about getting out of this horrid war. As Sheehan says - it was all about getting elected, not about withdrawal from Iraq.

The idea that not passing it would somehow leave the troops stranded in a battle field with no bullets and fewer changes of underwearis completely bogus. To pretends so is disingenuous, to say the least.

For Sheehan, who got into this by losing her son and then lost a good swack of her life, it must be a bitter pill to swallow. When I go to American blog now, blogs that used to say: Republicans NO, Democrats: SI - many of the comments are from people just wonder what they shall do now. Led astray by one party and down a garden path by the other - where are they to go?


I'm not surprised that the Democrats have turned on Sheehan. She is just WAY TOO LEFT for them as a whole, and as they ramp up for an election, the Dems like to close-in and support the party no matter what crap they're doing. Through the years, I have become pretty disappointed with MoveOn.org, Daily Kos and Democratic Underground.

I find it kind of sad that so many in the US hang on to the illusion that they have the most robust democracy on the face of the earth. Who are they kidding!?!? At least we have a bit of a multi-party system here and maybe some day, we'll see the NDP in power federally. But where do those who are left to the Democrats park their votes? The Greens, Socialists, Independents?

Speaking of US socialists, the World Socialist Web Site is down so I can't open up their article on Sheehan's resignation. I'll try later...
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« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2007, 04:40:13 PM »
The working-class Glaswegian Rose Gentle (mum of Gordon Gentle, who may have died in Iraq due to insufficient equipment) has also been a tireless campaigner against the war:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_q ... _n12590706

But indeed such personal campaigns are very likely to lead to burnout.
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« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2007, 06:59:47 PM »
Richard Perle, war criminal and otherwise total incompetent (so incompetent that even Conrad Black ended up easing him out), has befouled the annual Hay Festival as well as the pages of the Guardian with this bit of trash entitled "We had the very best of intentions." And that quote turns up later in his lying narrative.

I figure that places him about level with Monica Goodling, whose way of admitting to breaking the law repeatedly went like this: "I crossed the line, but I didn't mean to."

How can these creeps still be on the loose? They are responsible for crimes against humanity and for aggressive war.

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« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2007, 10:33:08 PM »
Holy Shit on a Stick! I was just reading an article on Raw about how the Mentally Deranged zealot Podhoretz actually prays for Bush to bomb Iran! So these are the nutjobs Bush surrounds himself with, explains a lot. In his last line he actually says I am an American Jew.......blah blah, can u imagine if I said in a op-ed I am a non-practicing Christian Canadian.....(therefore I am justified in saying any F-ing thing I want to) blah blah  
Somebody should be sizing this guy up for a straitjacket, cuz even a much-needed herbal rub isn't gonna put this guy's war woody down.

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« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2007, 12:56:17 AM »
McClatchy: "U.S. paid nearly $31 million in condolence payments to Iraqis, Afghanis"
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The military makes condolence payments for killing or injuring a civilian or for damaging property. Generally, Iraqis and Afghanis received up to $2,500 for property damage or death. In April 2006, military officials in Iraq raised the maximum payment to $10,000. In addition, U.S. officials began paying the relatives of Iraqi soldiers and police who were killed because of U.S. operations, the report states.

But the department doesn't indicate how many of those payments went for killed civilians, injured civilians or for property damage. U.S. officials have never released statistics on how many civilians have been killed by U.S. troops.

According to the report, the U.S. began compensating Iraqi civilians or their relatives in June 2003 for inadvertent killings or property damage, usually at the discretion of the forces on the ground. But the military didn't establish guidelines for paying civilians until October 2004. U.S. forces began compensating Afghanis in October 2005.

But those compensation reports aren't very detailed, a Washington advocacy group found. In a separate report released Thursday, the Campaign for Innocent Victims in Conflict found that many reports contained only a sheet of paper with a synopsis of what happened.

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The amount of condolence payments in Iraq dropped by two-thirds between 2005 and 2006. During that time, U.S. officials said that Iraqi civilians were being killed because they couldn't identify U.S. checkpoints. The U.S. subsequently made checkpoints more easily identifiable, and the military said the number of civilian casualties declined.

U.S. officials also paid for scores of homes that were damaged during the November 2004 offensive in Fallujah.

From October 2004 to September 2005, the Defense Department gave Iraqis $21,528,664 in condolence payments, compared with $7,311,911 the following year. In Afghanistan, the military paid $210,758 from October 2005 to September 2006.

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« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2007, 04:00:17 AM »
Sheehan speaks with PBS/Now's David Brancaccio about her future plans.
The audio (.mp3) is available here.

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« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2007, 05:32:58 AM »
I thought I'd "whip off" a quick post about Frank Rich's excellent new column...but then I remembered that I'm incapable of "whipping off" anything :(
Here it is anyway: " An infinite number of monkeys will eventually produce a link between this guy & al Qaeda"
Rich's column is subscription only. I'll be good and avoid giving you the direct back-door, but here's a guy who knows a guy ;)  :spy:

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« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2007, 05:55:32 AM »
She's on a tear! She's on a roll!  :D

And she knows a guy who knows a guy ...   :wink:

Off to read and to vote.

 

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