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« on: October 13, 2007, 09:11:42 AM »
It seems that Polly Toynbee (a person, a journalist and activist I have more than a little use for) has washed her hands of the new, New Labour Government:

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This was the week that Labour's leaders left social democracy for dead
She sees PM Brown in the same, or worse light as Blair:

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snip ..... This was the week that social democracy ebbed away in England. Those words had already slipped from Labour's lexicon, never spoken by its leaders in public, rarely spoken outside the privacy of Fabian meetings and Celtic parliaments.

In 1994 Tony Blair and Gordon Brown purged socialism when they forged the New Labour project: Clause Four was indeed an archaic nonsense. This week Brown and Darling all but killed off social democracy too.
Here is Clause Four- perhaps it needs updating, but I do not see it as (what she terms) 'archaic nonsense.'   :shock:

She feels that: "now have a centrist government in Europe's most unequal country" - to the political right of Markle in Germany and even right of Nicolas Sarkozy in France.

She condems Brown for his collapse on the inheritance tax issue:
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To give the children of the well-off a £1.4bn inheritance bonus while the children of the poor only got another 48p a week in tax credits is symbolically far worse than that notorious 75p for pensioners.
waffling on an election:
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Bungling the will-he-won't-he election was a survivable self-inflicted injury. The intellectual injury is the real damage.
and running scared when Cameron: threw
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"phoney" at him in Prime Minister's Questions, it stuck like napalm. He could duck the bottles thrown over his election funk, but "phoney" will stick because his comprehensive spending review smacked of panicky, comprehensive cowardice.
What I see as sad is that, this is not even on anyone's radar in Canada:
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Choices need to be aired so people can understand and support a fairer system where the poorest no longer pay a higher proportion than the rich. This much Gordon Brown owes to those he disappointed this week.
"It is also a good rule not to put overmuch confidence in the observational results that are put forward until they are confirmed by theory." -- Arthur Stanley Eddington

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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2007, 07:26:36 PM »
And NO referendum for Britain either.

Miliband signs Britain away

I know its the Sun, still though this is very disturbing.

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The developments come despite an eleventh-hour bombshell that it means surrendering control of Britain’s immigration policy.

Late ... PM signs Treaty

Late ... PM signs Treaty

The warning was issued to the PM last night as he prepared to wave the white flag over our right to make our own laws.

It emerged tens of thousands of foreigners facing the boot from the UK will be winners.

They will get new rights to overturn decisions by Britain’s Immigration and Asylum Tribunal.

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Tory leader David Cameron blasted Mr Brown’s “betrayal” of Britain.

Mr Cameron said: “He doesn’t even have the guts to put it to the British people.”

This morning the PM was grilled by MPs in Westminster — meaning he would arrive late for the historic signing ceremony.

After finally arriving in Lisbon he was set to put pen to paper hours after his EU counterparts — leaving many of them furious.


Brown hated going, hated signing it, but he did in the end. Will this be our fate as well?

Ah here's the BBC EU leaders have signed a treaty in the Portuguese capital, Lisbon, that is expected to greatly alter the way the 27-nation body operates.

There's that word Prosperity again.
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2008, 12:01:24 AM »
Again I had no idea where to post
Independent

Here we go kids. Up to 60,000 cards, containing fingerprints as well as photographs and personal details of the holders, will be issued to people from outside the European Economic Area within the next four months. Students and married people renewing their residence visas will be targeted from 25 November, and Home Office officials expect 90 per cent of foreign nationals to hold a card by 2015.

I, personally, have no doubt this is about the Great Depression about to hit us. By the end of October, most will awaken to the nightmare they are in. Maybe. This is our future too.

eta - PM Harper has another top priority: National ID cards
National ID cards
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2008, 08:02:48 AM »
the id link says 2006 not that it might not still be in his arsenal of things to fuck Canadians over with if gets a majority government.
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2009, 12:24:14 AM »
The sleaze just oozes.

Labour MP's expenses

Of course if you look at the MP Expenses in Depth to the right, you can see how long the noses in the trough are for the Cons as well, and the fuck you to the electorate is they're not even ashamed of themselves. No doubt the Cons will trample over each other to get to the trough after Labour goes down, and their even more morally bankrupt then who their stuck with. The despair of the people goes on everywhere.
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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2009, 12:07:06 AM »
Clueless Brit MP's threaten suicide

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Nadine Dorries, the Conservative MP for Mid Bedfordshire, also warned that the relentless drip-drip of leaked claims was creating such an atmosphere of terror that there was a real risk of an MP committing suicide.

"People are seriously beginning to crack," Ms Dorries told the Today programme on BBC Radio 4. "The last day in Parliament this week was, I would say, completely unbearable.
 

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In an angry outburst yesterday one MP who was forced to stand down over the size of his gardening bills complained that his critics had merely been jealous of his "very, very large house".

"I've done nothing criminal, that's the most awful thing," said Anthony Steen, who spent £90,000 his second home, including big sums for lopping trees. "And do you know what it's all about? Jealousy."

Jealousy? Steen you shallow, lying cheat. The total lack of comprehension of the outrage ordinary taxpaying Brits are feeling borders on the absurd. Their just pissed they can no longer terrorize and control the people with anything; they won't have it.

Now they got Archbishop of Cantebury saying the humiliation must stop

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“But many will now be wondering whether the point has not been adequately made," he says. "The continuing systematic humiliation of politicians itself threatens to carry a heavy price in terms of our ability to salvage some confidence in our democracy.”
Who tf is he kidding? Democracy? What a facade he supports, but of course he was well trained for facade. The credibility of gov't and the church has been shot.

Let's face it, the real worry is the people are ready to rumble.
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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2009, 02:59:11 AM »

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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2009, 12:56:44 AM »
Surfing around wondering how the children are (after reading Kirby's Children's mental health issues have increased by 30 to 40 per cent since the recession and going to crisis proportions in 12 months) I came across this:
Little Brother is watching you: Children of ten are taught how to spot a terrorist in police DVD This is positively frightening. I can see little chillens pointing, pointing at anybody a little different being a 'terrist'. Tell me this is child abuse by the authorities!! Children are already like little armies for pete sakes.

And then this - We don't need no CCTV in our classroom

 :applause:  Bravo to the students who walked out!! Good lord, this better not ever come across the pond.
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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2009, 08:51:11 PM »
Stephan Dion writ large?

Polly Toynbee in the Guardian speaks of the damage done to the Labour Party in today's local elections. Labour was destroyed. Results are still coming in, but the last I checked they were down by 267 seats. This is not for Parliament, but serves as a good indication of the mood of the country. ...and the mood is nasty. The BNP may end up with two seats in the European Parliament.

Toynbee speaks of PM Brown as half dead and:
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The man who yearned so long for the crown may wear it a very short time. He stepped into Downing Street with new resolutions, and many hoped he would flower into the leader with a moral compass. But hesitant and indecisive, too often he pursued the illusory phantom of middle Britain support, and lost the support he most needed. This week's verdict of the electorate may decide his fate.

Attacked by women, who accuse him of using them as pretty attention getters who have no power. Losing Cabinet Ministers, who write bitter letters of resignation,   He is just hanging on by his finger tips

Twice last year the socialists I know felt as Ms. Toynbee says the (Labour) party faithful are feeling now. When the ONDP voted with the Government to prevent a Toronto Transit strike, and the federal NDP voted to overrule Linda Keen about the restart at Chalk River:
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The left of centre Compass group agonises over the dilemma: they think Brown a disaster, but a privatising, modernising, rightwing alternative could be worse still.

(The only bright thing in that edition is the link to the nude pictures - well, semi-nude - pictures at Silvio Berlusconi's estate.)
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2009, 04:55:24 PM »
This is just too funny. Westminster MPs, reeling from public outrage over their ludicrous expenses claims, must be thrilled that they can now pull up the drawbridges over their subsidised moats and watch their porn movies in peace.

Liars, thieves and hypocrites, 3 months holiday! But wait there is a group who is wanting the public to post pics of MP's out and about.  :lol:

What's your MP up to this summer? Hilarious, they pass laws to watch the people, the people are watching back. Oh they must just hate that. Poor dears.
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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2009, 11:50:31 AM »
Nick Griffin, leader of the British National Party (BNP), who denies that the BNP is fascist or Nazi and claims that Churchill would have been a member if he were alive today, appeared on a BBC panel discussion show last night with representatives from all the other parties (I think), all of whom denounced him, and facing a clearly hostile studio audience.

There were angry demonstrations at the BBC against allowing Griffin to speak, but I would say, from watching the video accompanying the Guardian piece, that it was probably a good idea. Ordinary people do need to see the guy in context and facing tough challenges, as he did from both panelists and audience members -- otherwise, as one panelist says, he just gets to speak through his own PR.

It's true that Churchill (b. 1874) was a racist and imperialist, especially as a young man, off fighting the "fuzzie-wuzzies," as he and the Brits generally called them, in Sudan in 1898. Although he was a truly inspiring war-time leader, the politics of his opposition to Hitler were obviously complex and still basically imperialist. Still, he was a man of his time and not unreasonable or stupid -- it's silly to try to imagine him living now with the same prejudices he grew up with in the High Victorian era.  

Anyway, I think this is a good thing: turn over the rocks, and let the sun shine in on the creepy-crawlies hiding under them.

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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2009, 12:56:22 PM »
Times Online :
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The BBC congratulated itself today on having secured record ratings for its flagship political panel programme Question Time with an appearance by the British National Party leader Nick Griffin.

More than eight million people tuned in to watch Mr Griffin receive a mauling from his fellow panellists and the studio audience at Television Centre in West London.

That figure was the highest in the 30-year history of the programme — which normally attracts two to three million viewers — and meant that the show edged out the Saturday night, celebrity talent contest Strictly Come Dancing in the week’s ratings successes.


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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2009, 12:24:32 AM »
Wow, I think it's time for everyone to re-read Milton Mayer, They Thought They Were Free.
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« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2009, 03:33:59 PM »
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... but I would say, from watching the video accompanying the Guardian piece, that it was probably a good idea. Ordinary people do need to see the guy in context and facing tough challenges...

The more people see of the BNP, the worse for the party
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I had Nick Griffin down as many things, but I had not previously realised that he was such a big, blubbery wuss. In advance of the Question Time debut of the BNP's führer, some feared and he hoped that it would be a great step forward for his party. He swaggered to his supporters that he would use the occasion to "take on the corrupt, treacherous swine destroying our beautiful island nation".

Well, it didn't quite work out like that. By the morning after the humiliating night before, the BNP leader was moaning that he had been treated unfairly. He is just another crybaby like most bullies turn out to be.
ETA: Apparently the BNP got 3,000 new recruits. Out of an audience of 8 million.

H/t to Dave Brockington at LGM

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« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2009, 03:54:06 PM »
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The audience met him with simple, scornful laughter when he claimed that the KKK are these days "almost totally non-violent". Don't you like the "almost totally"?

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That part wasn't in the video I linked to. Too good. So is this:

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The most unintentionally revealing moment was when the he offered his anthropological theories, what he called "the absolute nub" of what he believes. Here, verbatim, is what he said: "The indigenous people of these islands – the English, the Scots, the Irish and the Welsh – it's the people who have been here overwhelmingly for the last 17,000 years. We are the aborigines here." There were no aborigines here 17 millenniums ago. Nor were there any English, Scots, Irish or Welsh. Seventeen thousand years ago, these islands were inhabited by Cro-Magnon man living in caves.

That is roughly where we will be again if Nick Griffin ever has his way. But he won't. I have enough faith in the robustness of our democracy and the people of these islands to be very sure of that.

 

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