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« on: November 29, 2007, 10:24:27 AM »
We have a couple of other threads on Venezuela but they're kinda specific.

Dawg's Blog has a piece on CIA shenanigans. There's a huge student protest planned for today.

Great photo of Chavez at Dawg's.

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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2007, 10:28:39 AM »
And then there is PLG at POGGE, eh?

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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2007, 10:39:37 AM »
Missed that. Thanks, skdadl.

I really like this:

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The new version constitution will specify that property can be other than just private or state, that there can be communal property, co-operatively owned property, mixed property. The amendments don't dictate or create socialism, but they certainly make it legally workable. So on one hand, they create the conditions for further, radical social change.


Woo. New kinds of property.

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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2007, 05:38:03 PM »
Reuters is predicting a win for Chavez.

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CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez appeared headed for victory on Sunday in a referendum on allowing him to remain in power as long as he keeps winning elections, two government-linked sources said, citing exit polls.

Three exit polls showed Chavez won by between six and eight points in a vote where turnout was low, they said.

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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2007, 07:56:47 PM »
Had trouble loading the Venezuela Analysis site but will try their news brief section shortly. In the meantime, there was a massive pro-referendum (pro-Chavez) rally that our MSM didn't report on.

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Pro-Constitutional Reform Closes Campaign with Massive Rally in Venezuela
December 1st 2007, by Kiraz Janicke - Venezuelanalysis.com

In a hard-hitting speech Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez told over 500,000 supporters at the final campaign rally in favor of the proposed constitutional reform on Friday, "If the ‘yes' vote wins on Sunday and the Venezuelan oligarchy, playing the [U.S.] empire's game, comes with their little stories of fraud," he will suspend all oil shipments to the U.S immediately. "The U.S. will not receive one drop of oil," he declared. Chavez also warned private media against promoting violence and destabilization after the referendum.

Beginning in the early hours of the morning, a sea of red filled Avenida Bolivar, the capital's principal boulevard and overflowed into Avenidas Mexico, Lecuna, San Martin, and Universidad, dwarfing an opposition rally of around 200,000 the day before, as Chavez supporters wearing T-shirts emblazoned with ‘Yes to the reforms' danced and sang as they waited for Chavez who spoke at 5 in the afternoon....


http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/2942

Here is the link to their public television broadcaster. It's in Spanish but it seems that the polls are closed and there was record turnout.

http://www.vtv.gob.ve/VTV(reload)/Index.php
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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2007, 11:36:53 PM »
Ex-spook, Larry C Johnson has some things to say about the alleged 'intercepted memo':
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As the official bubble burster let me state for the record, this is patent nonsense. State Department officers do not write memos to Hayden. Particularly mid-level Foreign Service Officers. A CIA officer under diplomatic cover sends his communications to headquarters via an encoded message. We call these messages cables, harkening back to the days of telegraphs and telegrams.

This, in my judgment, is the work–very clumsy work at that–of the Venezuelan intelligence service eager to build on the truth that the United States has sought to oust Chavez. All of this is quite convenient with Venezuelan elections on the horizon. It may be hamhanded, but for internal Venezuelan consumption, this is brilliant psyops and should help Chavez further demonize the equally clumsy Americans.

Note that he acknowledges "the truth that the United States has sought to oust Chavez," but feels the so-called memo doesn't pass the sniff test.

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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2007, 07:42:23 AM »
According to the BBC this morning, Chavez lost the referendum, by the smallest of margins, 49% to 51% but lost. (He went on TV to acknowledge the loss.)

The posited that the country had seen so many dictatorships that, even if they love the Pres., he was not going to win this one.
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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2007, 08:19:19 AM »
I think Chavez thought he had this one in the bag. As he pointed out, the referendum received 3 million fewer "yes" votes than he received in the last Presidential election. I like Chavez politics, but am suspicious of his authoritarian streak.  Whatever else Chavez may be, it is hard to accuse him of being "corrupt" after this result.

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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2007, 09:00:18 AM »
Crap. But Chavez conceded defeat, so at least there won't be any (further) nonsense about dictatorship and so on.

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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2007, 10:39:21 AM »
I'm not the biggest Chavez fan either, but this sort of framing by neoliberal/right wing media outlets was utterly ridiculous. Eliminating term limits != "President for life". :roll:

Like Caissa, fern and others have said, hopefully this concession will undercut the false narrative re: the suspect nature of Venezuela's democratic process under Chavez.  

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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2007, 12:15:29 PM »
The vultures are circling to make sure Chavez is still a demon:

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...Now, for the overreach. How long before the opposition demand that Chavez resign? When will the WSJ retract their accusations of vote rigging? How long before Jackson Diehl explains to us how losing by a tiny margin, and immediately accepting the results, is actually a Machiavellian strategy to lull the world into believing that Chavez is a democrat before making the real move? The mind, she boggles just thinking about it.

Update 9:30A.M.: Gawd they are little wind-up monkeys, aren’t they? Oppo blog Caracas Chronicles is already arguing that they should have had a bigger win but Chavez “massaged” the numbers to make it look close. And it totally must be true because election officials took a few hours to tally the numbers. Of course, had the numbers been announced right after polls closed, that would also be a sign of fraud because with a vote spread less than one percent it takes a few hours to tally the numbers. As always, the opposition will eat itself. Buen provecho.

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...While the Venezuelan oligarchy, backed by the United States, has a long history of preventing democracy in Venezuela, Hugo Chavez has shown that real democracy includes consulting the people in frequent national elections, and accepting the results whether they go your way or not. The Venezuelan opposition has clearly shown that they are not willing to accept popular democracy. Chavez has clearly shown that he is. But Venezuela's popular democracy will always be a threat to those who refuse to accept the will of the people.


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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2008, 08:24:11 PM »
This was the first thread I could find on Venezuala and I'm not sure it's the right one, but I wanted to make sure folks caught this interview re: Socialisms in the 21st Century with Haiman El Troudi, who is "currently part of a team of investigators in the Caracas-based Miranda International Center."  From the interview:

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I want to emphasise this phrase: “The people are better planners than the best planner of the government or academia”. The people know their reality. There is no need to simply diagnose or study the world in which they live. An intellectual, an academic, a planner, a theorist needs to go and observe reality in order to understand. The people know their own reality and can better plan there own reality. We need to invert the pyramid of planning which has in the past put the experts and planners at the top and the people at the bottom. The relationship was between subjects and objects. There needs to be a relationship of subjects and subjects.


The people know their reality.  Women are people.  Women know their reality.  Yet, when women speak their reality they are stomped on.  WTF, eh?

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Re: Venezuela
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2012, 01:15:33 PM »
The Socialist Revolution Continues ! Chavez Wins! Washington's Capriles loses! Long Live Venezuela!
80% Turnout!  :applause



http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/08/us-venezuela-election-idUSBRE89601Z20121008
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Re: Venezuela
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2013, 11:48:59 AM »
That didn't take long. I haven't found a decent obituary for Chavez, meantime:

AEI already declaring US plans to wage a Syria-style proxy war in South America. The vultures are circling. See the AEI website - http://www.aei-ideas.org/2013/03/a-post-chavez-checklist-for-us-policymakers/


ETA - These might be some of the names to watch for.
Primero Justicia (Justice First) was co-founded by Leopoldo Lopez and Julio Borges, who like Radonski, have been backed for nearly a decade by the US State Department. Primero Justicia and the network of foreign-funded NGOs that support it have been recipients of both direct and indirect foreign support for at least just as long. [/font][/size]http://landdestroyer.blogspot.ca/2013/03/us-plots-conquest-of-venezuela-in-wake.html
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Re: Venezuela
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