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Re: Sex Scandals and the Church, Any Church
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2008, 03:46:22 PM »
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I guess I find the creepiness factor fascinating brebis. I also enjoy how they explore the competing systems of morality (LDS versus the fundamentalist cult-like polygamists).

That caught my attention too - the main wife in the three-wife marriage has a sister who is not involved in polygamy, but appears to be some kind of a mainstream "Mormon", and she deeply disapproves of her sister's lifestyle and wants to get her nieces and nephews out of it. Is that what you're referring to? There's also the compound "Mormons", which the family doesn't seem to be a part of.
In the series, they're not called Mormons, but it's kind of obvious that's what it's all about.

ETA: I wouldn't be surprised if some of the writers on the show are ex-Mormons, because they really seem to get the intricacies of the society and its competing beliefs.

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« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2008, 04:32:03 PM »
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ETA: I wouldn't be surprised if some of the writers on the show are ex-Mormons, because they really seem to get the intricacies of the society and its competing beliefs.

Given what we've been hearing in the news (BC and Texas), I think you're right. They seem to have the details right. The "compound" is very much like the Prophet run polygamy groups in the news (breakaway groups from the Mormons). The main protagonists were booted out for some reason but still have ties.
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« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2008, 11:59:47 AM »
Again, sexual abuse of girls aka pedophilia from a self-proclaimed Christian Church leader, this time in Montréal.  The survivor of the assaults, who is still an adolescent requested and got the right to testify not in the presence of the accused but by video link.  But it sounds as though Cormier's right to defend himself almost trumped her right to safety while providing testimony.

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« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2008, 01:45:22 PM »
I watched a CBC documentary on pedophilia , the internet and the police attempts to stem what increasingly looks like an epidemic of evil.  Seventeen per cent of identified victims are under the age of three.

That is so sick it hardly deserves comment.

Seems as if most of the child porn and on-line filmed abuse is done by family members, step-fathers featured large.

We need a virus.  We really do need a virus.  One which affects only pedophiles, and causes them excruciating pain.  Then their dick falls off.

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« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2008, 09:04:56 PM »
Men of the Cloth- The Nation -

Child abuse. Sexual abuse. Women raised to be baby machines controlled by powerful older men in the name of God. These shockers--and many more--are flagrantly on offer in the spectacle unfolding around the 139 women and 437 children removed by Texas authorities from the Yearning for Zion Ranch in Eldorado. The YFZ is an outpost of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS), a breakaway Mormon cult presided over by Warren Jeffs, convicted in Utah as an accomplice to rape and awaiting trial in Arizona for incest and conspiracy. The visuals are riveting: women in pastel prairie dresses and identical pompadour-cum-french-braid hairstyles weeping for their children in state custody; skinny-necked middle-aged men insisting they had no idea it was illegal to marry and impregnate multiple 15-year-olds. There's a feminist angle, a child-protection angle and a civil liberties angle--it isn't clear that the children were in immediate danger, and this drastic and clumsy sweep might well cause cultists to isolate themselves even more. The original impetus for the raid--a desperate phone call from someone claiming to be a 16-year-old girl raped and abused by her 50-year-old "spiritual husband"--is looking more and more like a hoax.
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« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2008, 10:42:54 AM »
I know of no sex scandals in this matter, but I am sure there must be some.

A parade just went by my place .... it is budda's birthday and they are celebrating it with a parade ... yes, there were drummers drumming (in a rather syncopation  :D  )  but they must be waiting for the archer to split the tree ..... there were floats, there was music and marching monks!

Who could ask for anything more?
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« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2008, 11:13:45 AM »
Monks (male or female) who abuse the power and trust of their position must give up their robes, either voluntarily or at the direction of their community.

You live near Joyful Land, I believe.  There are other buddhist temples/centres, further west on Wellington and on Scott.

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« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2008, 11:27:06 AM »
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Monks (male or female) who abuse the power and trust of their position must give up their robes, either voluntarily or at the direction of their community.

You live near Joyful Land, I believe.  There are other buddhist temples/centres, further west on Wellington and on Scott.

I am not sure where these marchers come from - they come out of the west and return that way is the best I get.

It is not a HURRAH HURRAH kind of parade ... but a bunch of people marching in memory of something.

There were maybe a dozen monks ... all be-robbed with heads shaven. (No sex please, We're buddist?)

Way-to-Go, Budda, I say. (for all it's lack of emotion, it seemed at least as genuine as any Christmas party I have been to).
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« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2008, 11:46:35 AM »
There was a demo in support of Myanmar this morning on Parliament Hill.

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« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2008, 04:25:34 PM »
Hungry and horny.  

From the Royal Society, Publishing, Scotland (where else  :wink: )

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In many species, females show reduced expression of a trait that is under sexual selection in males, and this expression is thought to be maintained through genetic associations with the male phenotype. However, there is also the potential for the female trait to convey an advantage in intrasexual conflicts over resources. We tested this hypothesis in a feral population of Soay sheep, in which males and females have a polymorphism for horn development, producing either full (normal horned), reduced (scurred) or no (polled, females only) horns. During the lambing period, females who possessed horns were more likely to initiate and win aggressive interactions, independent of age, weight and birthing status. The occurrence of aggression was also context dependent, decreasing over the lambing period and associated with local density. Our results demonstrate that a trait that confers benefits to males during intrasexual competition for mates may also be used by females in intrasexual competition over resources: males use weaponry to gain mates, whereas females use weaponry to gain food.

Is this an explanation for a sheep: 'Come here, big boy ... We're going to diner and then I'm going to have my way with you.'
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Re: Sex Scandals and the Church, Any Church
« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2008, 06:44:36 PM »
Having just read Rigby's story here it's obvious that Muslim polygamy unlike the Mormon type  :roll:  is basically about sex and nothing more. Not that I don't think that is what the Mormom type is about as well, but the law people do make a distinction in the article. The Muslim type needs an immediate constitutional challenge to shut the F up that iman Hindy! I'm taking a hard right with this, it totally infuriates while at the same time wonder how stupid these women are in the first place.

Rigby - Then she called her husband of 14 years, demanding to know if what she had just been told was true – that while she spent a year in Egypt raising their four children in a more Islamic environment, he had used it as an opportunity to marry not just one, but two other women in Toronto. A more Islamic environment? Okay you were gone a year, does anything twig for you?

Rigby - "What I couldn't understand was how such a thing could happen in Toronto, my hometown, where polygamy is supposed to be illegal." HER Toronto? She didn't know imans do this? often. Sorry she gets no sympathy from me.

Rigby - In Rigby's eyes, whether polygamy is illegal or legal is irrelevant. "If it is happening and it is here, then there should be some kind of support system set up to protect us," she said, suggesting marriage workshops or support groups for women.  Oh it's relevant all right, yeah support groups, go for it, that'll help a lot.  :roll:

So Canada, get on this right now and while your at it, get on Bountiful too!
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« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2008, 10:28:09 AM »
The article was well written, though.  There were quotes from other Muslims who held different opinions about polygamy, and their arguments against it were quite solid.  

Rigby wanted the 'comfort' of a religious, fundamentalist, gender-segregated monogamous conjugal environment.  She got more than she bargained for.  If she did not "get" the religious and cultural tenets specific to her husband's beliefs before she married him, she does now.  Not all Muslims support imam Indy's interpretations of Sharia.

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Re: Sex Scandals and the Church, Any Church
« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2008, 11:45:11 PM »
While I was searching more on HIndy, who I am convinced is a complete nutbar and damaging to muslims in canada, I ran across this. Doesn't really belong here, but thought I would post it and we can transfer. Do we even have a thread on the Canadian 17's? Not sure, I'm tired and will check tomorrow. In any case I am not impressed. Just too slick and I can't give 'her' any cred.

ETA - I just realized I should say I originally found this site while looking for Canadians killed in AFghanistan and came across this article: http://www.jihadunspun.com/intheatre_in ... le=1002721 where I was shocked to find this sentence.
Twelve Canadian soldiers were also killed Wednesday at approximately 9:00 am local time when they tried to enter the Taliban controlled area in Zhari district of Kandahar province. A battled ensued for two hours that resulted in the deaths of the 12 Canadians however there were no casualties among the Mujahideen according to the report from Qari Yusuf.
I have no clue if this is legitimate, one hopes it is not, such lies we are being told.
Umm, sorry about this *drift*, I'm really tired. Hopefully Debra can move it tomorrow or soon. G'nite.
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« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2008, 11:46:11 AM »
Look here, sex scandal and much more from another lying preacher:

Porn Addicted Scam Artist Uncovered
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Re: Sex Scandals and the Church, Any Church
« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2009, 03:03:32 PM »
Defence to invoke gay marriage as polygamy trial begins in B.C.

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Daphne Gilbert, a law professor at the University of Ottawa, said the argument promised by Mr. Blackmore's lawyer is predictable but without merit. The monogamous aspects of formal same-sex relationships are "actually in keeping with our view on marriage," Prof. Gilbert said.

I hope that is so lawfully true. But this is what makes me nuts and I wish we had a lawyer to explain it to me.

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It's an argument that people on both sides of the same-sex marriage fight were expecting: If same-sex marriage is justified under Charter rights to equality, then polygamy is justified under the Charter's protection of religious freedom.

It is not Religious Freedom, that is pure hokum. Joe Smith was a con man and prolly a womanizer and made the whole 'God told me to do it, cuz he's a dude man', up to justify his own puritanical upbringing.  So that can't be proven at all and should be thrown out first thing. The other thing is, if polygamy went BOTH ways, and women took up dozens of husbands Legally, then it would be squashed like a bug instantly. I don't care the principle of perception says that polygamy benefits women and monogamy benefits men, (so say the psychs etc.) if it is going to be legal, then it has to go BOTH ways or it is inherently an unfair law. I hope these 2 cases go swiftly. Gives me a headache.  :cluebat:

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