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Census Canada/Lockheed Martin
« on: March 28, 2008, 12:27:21 AM »
http://www.light.sasktelwebsite.net/gov ... r27-08.htm

Holy Crap  :shock: Sandra Finley has received a summons to appear in Court.

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Re: Census Canada/Lockheed Martin
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2008, 01:33:07 AM »
Ya gotta love Sandra, ya rilly, rilly do!  That woman has courage like you would not believe!
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Re: Census Canada/Lockheed Martin
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2008, 08:09:40 AM »
Fascinating correspondence -- everyone should read all those letters.

Finley isn't objecting on privacy grounds, although I think those are still in play, whatever "assurances" Mr Felligi (StatsCan) thinks he can give us. Given the SPP and the Patriot Act, Mr Felligi's assurances are fast becoming fairy tales. North America is ruled by executive fiat, and if the administration in Washington wants your data, they will get your data.

Finley is a Quaker and thus a pacifist, and she objects on the more basic grounds that she does not want her government to be contributing to the profits of a weapons manufacturer. This is a great fight she is putting up, and we should support her however we can. It's time that the Mr Felligis started thinking about what happens in a democracy when large numbers of people get to the point that they just don't believe anything the government says to them. Mr Felligi probably thinks that he is telling the truth, and that is cute of Mr Felligi, but maybe it's time he considered that he might be wrong.

Lockheed Martin. Sigh. Oh, I am so sorry. (That's a bat signal.   :wink:   )

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Re: Census Canada/Lockheed Martin
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2010, 11:53:45 AM »
Sandra Finley is representing herself.
Will claim protection of the Charter

Of course this is about being swallowed up by the North American Union - already Health Canada - Government links to US anti-drug campaign

A North American security perimeter would be one of the final steps needed in the creation of a North American Union, which relies primarily on military and law enforcement solutions and is advancing police state measures.

KPRC news in Houston recently filmed a secret experiment by law enforcement agencies including the Dept. of Homeland Security of a drone intended to spy on Americans, and after watching the station's  youtube  They have made a small one unlike the Beast made by LM for Afghanistan.

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"It is quite easy to envision a future in which (UAVs), unaffected by pilot fatigue, provide 24-7 border and port surveillance to protect against terrorist intrusion," said Mike Heintz on behalf of the UNITE Alliance which represents Boeing, Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman. "Other examples are limited only by our imagination
Cnet news '06 That article mentions 'borders' many times.

Sorry for the drift, but it is all connected to my mind and makes me want to be in the courtroom with Sandra Finley.
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Re: Census Canada/Lockheed Martin
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2011, 08:28:16 PM »
An email from Sandra Finley regarding her case:

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  Census Lockheed Martin trial:  sentence is absolute discharge! 
 
Re appeal of Guilty VERDICT (more information below) 
 
Donations for continuing legal expense (appeal of verdict) will be gratefully received and can be mailed to:
Sandra Finley
656 Saskatchewan Cres East
Saskatoon,  SK  Canada   S7N 0L1
 
= = = = = = = = =  ==  = = = = = = ==  == =
 
I cannot thank you enough for all your generous support!  Nor can I put into words what it means to me.
 
The Judge found me guilty last week.   Yesterday she delivered the sentence:  an absolute discharge, which means the Court is not punishing me with a fine or jail and I will not have a criminal record.
 
There is cause for celebration!    ..   but it’s not over until it’s over, I am sorry to say!
 
I   do not think I have a choice but to appeal the guilty verdict.   I may   be the only one who has the “can” and “will” to appeal the verdict, if   it should be done.  In consultation with lawyer Steve Seiferling -   who has specialized in privacy law - - there are legal grounds for   appeal. 
 
Are there grounds, from my perspective?
 
THOUGHT #1  REGARDING APPEAL of THE GUILTY VERDICT:
 
If   the guilty decision goes unchallenged, it seems to me I will only have   made it WORSE for people in the future. I don’t think we have a Charter   Right to Privacy of personal information if the guilty verdict stands.
 
As   explained in earlier emails, my interpretation of the email from Tony   Clement’s office and positions put forth by other elected officials:    they are proposing that the long form or the “new” National Household   Survey is voluntary because there won’t be the threat of jail and a   fine  ..  BUT it will be promoted as “mandatory”.     The word “mandatory” in the English language means “you have to do   it”.  There is a higher authority that demands you do it.
 
If   the Government proceeds with a long form or a survey that is   “voluntary” because there are no sanctions for not filling it in,  AND   simultaneously promotes it to the public as “mandatory” then it is more   of the “Innocent Fraud” described by John Kenneth Galbraith (2004).   
 
The Canadian public should not tolerate such ..  ummm, it’s not “innocent”  . . .   but rather “Orwellian” fraud. 
 
It seems to me that a higher Court ruling is needed. 
 
Lawyer   Steve Seiferling’s experience and knowledge in the area of Privacy Law   leads him to the conclusion that we do have a Charter Right to Privacy   of personal information and that the Government cannot meet the test to   override in this census/survey StatsCan situation.   In his reading of   the Judge’s decision he believes he sees the error in logic that led to   the guilty verdict.   
 
I   do not claim to be any kind of an expert.  As you will know from   correspondence that goes back to 2003, I started from a place of knowing   that allowing the enrichment of Lockheed Martin Corporation, through my   tax dollars, makes me complicit with their many crimes against   humanity.  Not only alleged crimes, but crimes for which they have been   convicted. 
 
I   won’t repeat the evolution in understanding that came about through the   information found, submitted to and circulated in our network.   Much   of that is posted to the blog www.sandrafinley.ca  (see “Lockheed”  on the drop-down list under “PAGES”).
 
In today’s world Lockheed Martin is inextricably intertwined in the questions of:
-        privacy of personal information; one of their specialties is “surveillance”
-        whether   we want the American military-industrial complex duplicated in Canada,    through the offset agreements in the Government contracts with Lockheed   Martin
-        whether   we want the de-stabilizing influence of the massive public debt that   goes along with Lockheed Martin  (we currently have the highest-ever   deficit of any Canadian Government; we are simultaneously about to sign   up for $16 billion more debt for Lockheed Martin F-35 fighter jets.  The   people of Norway refused to go there.  We can, too.   It’s a hard   battle – Lockheed Martin now has more lobbyists in Ottawa than the oil   and gas industry.   We already have corporatocracy, not democracy.  But   there are tens of thousands of us.  WE will be the ones paying the debt   and the interest on it. 
 
The   Americans let the Lockheed Martin military-industrial complex take   over.  They are hated because of their illegal wars and indiscriminate   killing ways.   They have a mountain of debt;  their economy cannot   generate the income necessary to ever get themselves out of debt.    Tax-payer money through interest payments on debt is funneled to the   wealthy investors in Lockheed Martin and their ilk.  The rot in the   system almost brought the world economy to its knees;  it still is a   huge de-stabilizing influence in the world.
 
-        whether we want an economy that becomes dependent upon the waging of war, as the American economy has become
 
-        Do we want to get sucked into the vortex?   Make a conscious decision, folks.   If you decide “no” then fight with every opportunity that comes our way. 
 
-        As   the people of Iraq know, the American military-industrial machine is   dangerous especially if you, as a nation, have resources that   transnational corporations covet.   
 
-        All   in all, it is an environment in which we need the protection of the   Charter Right to Privacy of Personal Information.    Please refer to 2008-12-06 if   you have any doubts about the value of the Charter Right, the use of   census data bases (detailed files on citizens) in police states. 
 
-        I believe there is no choice but to appeal the guilty verdict.
 
(Geez!    I wish I made concise, succinct arguments.  Sorry – my brain is of a   different kind.  One that always goes to the “Connections”, the   context.  I guess we need many different kinds of brains to get the best   outcome!) 
 
 
THOUGHT #2 REGARDING APPEAL of THE GUILTY VERDICT
 
In   the corporatocracy, the legal system along with other institutions   (assets that belong to the public),  eventually become tools in service   of the corporate interest.  It is VERY obvious in Monsanto v. Schmeiser   (biotech industry).  It is less clear in the census Lockheed Martin   trial, but traces are visible.  Let me explain:
 
-        I   talked with my City Councillor about my concerns:  the City Manager   twice in six months has publicly promoted the idea that   “public-private-partnerships” are the way forward for the City of   Saskatoon.
 
-        Charlie’s   response:  it gets more and more difficult because the Federal   Government has established criteria that Government funding is dependent   upon “partnering” with corporations.  . . .    Jumping from there:
 
-        Experience with the justice system leads you to see in a clearer way how
public-private-partnerships bring about a situation where the full force of the Federal Government lines up against the citizen COUPLED WITH the power (money buys influence) of the corporation.   
 
It   was obvious when Monsanto took Percy Schmeiser to court. The Federal   and Provincial Governments took intervenor positions in the Supreme   Court on the side of Monsanto (through Agwest Biotech and Biotec   Canada that are Government-funded entities).   The Governments and   universities have “public-private-partnerships” with Monsanto whereby Monsanto’s interest becomes the Government’s and the University’s interest.
 
In   the situation of the census and Lockheed Martin, a “guilty” verdict   that helps to shut down dissent over Lockheed Martin’s role in the   census is a benefit to Lockheed Martin  - -    unless, as in this case,   it can be used to draw attention, to create awareness of who Lockheed   Martin is, etc.  (when the public is otherwise being kept in the dark).     
 
But   the system is strongly against citizen efforts to challenge the role of   Lockheed Martin in the census, and to defend the Charter Right to   Privacy.  The system uses little more than threats, intimidation and   coercion.   Most people cannot effectively go up against the system.    The financial costs and the risks associated with the threat of jail are   too much.  (More movement toward “community-based” justice in the First   Nations tradition, in marriage with some ideas from the existing system   is required.)   Note that a citizen used to be able to obtain financial   assistance for legal costs to defend themselves against the Government   in Charter Challenges, in recognition of the imbalance in power.  Harper   got rid of that funding.
 
-        In the corporatocracy it becomes more and more difficult to inform citizens about what is happening.  We saw Lockheed Martin’s name disappear in the NY Times   coverage of the census debacle, to be replaced by the phrase   “technology contractor”.   Huh?  ..  don’t want the American public to   know the truth? 
 
The Globe and Mail had enough courage to say the Lockheed Martin name once  (2011-01-13),  but then it became the “technology giant”.   Running scared of an accurate and honest description of Lockheed Martin?   The corporatocracy rules.
 
-        HOWEVER,   I am extremely thankful for the Canadian journalists who, in the past   week, have aired the important information on Lockheed Martin in the   census story.  Bless them!   
 
We   lend support to them by making the information widely available in the   alternate media so that the “editors” run the risk of losing the   credibility of their publication if they edit it out.   People in our   network actively challenge the media when they don’t present the whole   picture.   It truly makes a difference.  Every small act counts – it is   never small.
 
The   fact that together we have been successful in getting Lockheed Martin’s   name into the debate is a sign that we are willing to engage in the   battle to take back what is ours.  To me we are teetering on the brink.    This success tells me that the corporatocracy hasn’t taken over   completely.   Yeeeeaay!
 
-        We are powerful!  If you haven’t read Marianne Williamson’s “Our Greatest Fear”,   you really must!  It is a short signature piece for our network that I   haven’t circulated for a long time now.  (It’s in the category   “Empowerment” – but just click on “Our Greatest Fear”.)
 
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Progress! 
 
Thanks to the Saskatoon Star Phoenix who ( 2011-01-20 ) put Lockheed Martin FIRST and then the Charter Right to Privacy second, as the defence argument (that failed).
 
The Globe and Mail moved from “technology giant” to “defence giant” in one week. 
2011-01-20   G&M    Census refusenik avoids fine and prison 
“    For eight years, Ms. Finley has repeatedly criticized the form as   unnecessarily intrusive, and objects to Canada's past decisions to   contract out census work to defence giant Lockheed Martin.
“   . . .    Ms. Finley acknowledged she didn't fill out the form. Rather,   she argued that the required long-form document violated her right under   Section Eight of the Charter, which restricts “unreasonable search or   seizure” of information. Judge Whelan dismissed the notion, saying Ms.   Finley and her attorney “did not meet the burden of establishing a   breach” of the section.”
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NOTICE OF APPEAL OF THE DECISION
 
Steve   (the lawyer) and I will still sit down and review the situation.     Unless you or someone else points out a flaw in my thinking from the   lay person’s view, it is most likely that we will proceed to file notice   of appeal next week.   In the absence of unforeseen circumstances! 
 
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FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTIONS FOR THE APPEAL
 
MANY   thanks to Janette Doering and others who have contacted me with offers   of financial assistance.  They are needed, especially now going into   appeal.  The bill for legal services so far (2.75 years) is around   $10,000.00  in spite of representing myself in the early goings.   My   family, bless them! made a large donation to the cause.
 
I specifically mention Janette;  I just posted her 2010-08-03 letter to the Calgary Herald about the 2006 census (“Politely declined”).   Hers is another important voice in the chorus.   Margaret FehrSusan Crowther, Barney’s “Comment” on the home page at www.sandrafinley.ca   And of course those who ended up in court Todd Stelmach, Darek Czernewcan,   Brian Stewart (on a topic unrelated to Lockheed Martin but still   important – and in whose case the Prosecutor decided not to proceed with   the charges).  Dave Rutherford, the conservative radio talk-show host   from Alberta who has openly repeated that he did not fill in the 2006   census.  … the list is long.   And they all help make the point that the   StatsCan witness at my trial, Anil Arora, lied under oath. 
 
I   can only understand it this way:  Government officials are trained in   “communications”.  The training is to repeat a mantra, no matter what   the question asked.  I asked from every possible angle (words to effect)   “How many Canadians did not fill in their 2006 census form?”.  Anil   Arora’s response was “64 were referred for prosecution”.  I responded “I   did not ask how many were referred for prosecution.  I asked how many   did not fill in their census form, or in other ways not comply?  (It is   equally an offence to provide false information or to deface the   form.)”   
 
Anil   Arora would not budge from the mantra “64 people” did not comply with   the 2006 census.  Even when I introduced for the court record the   newspaper article 2008-01-15 ,  “No charges sought for 35,000 natives who ignore census”    in which Anil Arora was quoted, Anil Arora stuck to the lie.   The   truth does not matter, even under oath.  (The line of questioning was in   relation to selective application of the law.  The laws are to be   applied equally.  Why didn’t Dave Rutherford, for example, get   prosecuted?)
 
Janette’s letter-to-the-Calgary Herald is at (2010-08-03 ).  She writes:
 
Ok, so where do I send a donation to help pay your legal fees? The way I see it, I could be you.

Congratulations on the sentence. Doesn't clear you, but feel you're speaking for all of us contentious dissenters.

Janette Doering
Thank-you Janette!  My address is:
Sandra Finley
656 Saskatchewan Cres East
Saskatoon,  SK  Canada   S7N 0L1
 
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COPY OF THE COURT RULING
I just checked.  It still is not posted.  It should appear any time now at:
http://www.lawsociety.sk.ca/WhatsNew/NewJudgmentsPC.htm 
 
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OVER AND OUT FOR NOW!
 
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Re: Census Canada/Lockheed Martin
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2011, 08:52:34 PM »
Thank you so much for that post Berlynn. So it is 'mandatory' is it? Well, well, well.
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Re: Census Canada/Lockheed Martin
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2011, 12:47:58 PM »
Thanks for The Star article, Holly. I've been staring at our envelope wondering what to do.  I'm furious with the killing of the mandatory long form census and I am also extremely pissed off with the outsourcing of work to US military contractors.
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Re: Census Canada/Lockheed Martin
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2011, 01:20:53 PM »
The countmeout site is sooooo funny. Go to "fun options" to see what you can do to force manual reading of your form rather than Lockheed Martin processing.

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Re: Census Canada/Lockheed Martin
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2011, 01:56:09 PM »
Sweet.  If enough of us screw around with the census then Stevie can get rid of it!  Yay!  StatsCan can wither up and die, and that'll be great!
 
Seriously... do the wingnuts at countmeout have any idea how the public sector RFP process works?
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Re: Census Canada/Lockheed Martin
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2011, 02:06:54 PM »
I'm a little confused about this too. If the forms were actually being sent off to Lockheed Martin for processing it might be different because there would be a privacy issue. But they aren't and there isn't.

So how can we argue on the one hand in favour of keeping the census long form to maintain the integrity of the census data and keep StatsCan in a position to provide needed information, while arguing on the other hand that we should sabotage the processing of the information that we still collect?

Editing quickly to add, this looks a lot like:

1. We need to do something.
2. Screwing with the form is something.
3. We need to screw with the form.
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Re: Census Canada/Lockheed Martin
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2011, 02:17:02 PM »
In fact, let me put it in stronger terms: if you screw with the census and make it less reliable, you're playing into Conservative hands. They want this information to be unreliable. If you sabotage government such that it costs more to accomplish less, you're playing into Conservative hands. They argue that government is inefficient and should be smaller and that if you want something done right, it should be privatized.

This is a bad idea.

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Re: Census Canada/Lockheed Martin
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2011, 02:24:15 PM »
And may I add that bungling up our own best source of demographic information (which, I'm told, factors into things we like, such as social spending and resource allocation) will not, under any circumstances, result in L-M having to return the money they were paid.
 
It's too late to do anything about who won that tender.  Now all we can do is have a little fit about it and harm ourselves.  Someone tell me why we should do that.
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Re: Census Canada/Lockheed Martin
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2011, 03:08:46 PM »
It was my understanding that we were still giving the gov't correct information, just forcing it to be processed manually. Is that not the point?

What am I missing? No one is advising submission of incorrect information. You do your address correctly -- in Roman numerals.

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Re: Census Canada/Lockheed Martin
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2011, 03:23:33 PM »
It was my understanding that we were still giving the gov't correct information, just forcing it to be processed manually. Is that not the point?

What am I missing? No one is advising submission of incorrect information. You do your address correctly -- in Roman numerals.

But you're increasing the likelihood of error when you force manual processing where the default is otherwise (take it from someone who has done his share of data entry and who has seen what happens when a process ends up involving double or triple handling of source documents). And you're intentionally making the process less efficient and more costly.

And as Magoo says, you're certainly not punishing Lockheed Martin -- they'll get paid anyway. They may even get paid more when the government goes back and asks for a revision that will read Roman numerals.

 

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