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Zimbabwe: Is this possible?
« on: April 02, 2008, 05:34:40 PM »
Well, is it? The opposition seem to have won over Mugabe.

I don't know what to think (except the world definitely needs less Mugabe).

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Re: Zimbabwe: Is this possible?
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2008, 06:03:20 PM »
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Well, is it? The opposition seem to have won over Mugabe.

I don't know what to think (except the world definitely needs less Mugabe).

It won't go that easily.....sheepdip eh? The whole worlds going nuts.

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Re: Zimbabwe: Is this possible?
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2008, 04:10:15 PM »
Mugabe has started a crackdown, has rounded up foreign journalists.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23940431/
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Re: Zimbabwe: Is this possible?
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2008, 04:13:42 PM »
Well, there you go. Mugabe is simply a dictator. Little else other than power-lust explains him. You can debate with some people, but not with guys like Mugabe. They're there, or they're not.

I'm very sorry to read this.

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Re: Zimbabwe: Is this possible?
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2008, 04:20:48 PM »
Another tragic example of a heroic anticolonial fight being co-opted by its leaders once they win power themselves.  Warriors should never be rulers, ever.
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Re: Zimbabwe: Is this possible?
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2008, 04:29:09 PM »
That is the context, arborman. You're right. I can't know what he went through in his earlier life, but that is the context.

He has turned into a pathological bastard, though.

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Re: Zimbabwe: Is this possible?
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2008, 04:55:34 PM »
A better argument for democracy cannot be found.  None of us, no matter how well intentioned and heroic, can be trusted with unchecked power.
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Re: Zimbabwe: Is this possible?
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2008, 06:19:53 PM »
Mugabe was considered a mad demogogue and a pathological racist with a penchant for ugly violence before 1980.
It was never understood how the British could ever have given the green light to the 1980 election and the transition to independence.
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Re: Zimbabwe: Is this possible?
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2008, 01:13:04 AM »
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Mugabe was considered a mad demogogue and a pathological racist with a penchant for ugly violence before 1980.

Really. I guess I was wrong to be in that solidarity group?

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It was never understood how the British could ever have given the green light to the 1980 election and the transition to independence.

Zimbabwe wasn't ready to govern itself?

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Re: Zimbabwe: Is this possible?
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2008, 08:44:38 AM »
Apparently Mugabe is negotiating with the opposition (which by rights is now the government) for amnesty, so maybe there's hope.

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Re: Zimbabwe: Is this possible?
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2008, 10:47:51 AM »
What are Chinese troops doing on Zimbabwe's streets?

Further evidence of Chinese involvement in Zimbabwe came with the confirmation that a Chinese freighter loaded with arms destined for Harare has been cleared to dock in Durban, South Africa.

eta - Update

In Durban the controversial Chinese freighter, bearing a cargo of arms and ammunition for the Zanu-PF government, remains unloaded. The South African Transport and Allied Workers Union refused to undertake the work, saying that it did "not agree with the position of the government not to intervene."
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Re: Zimbabwe: Is this possible?
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2008, 10:38:46 AM »
China's footprint in Africa is a current major focus for the Canadian Council for International Cooperation (umbrella for development NGOs). There's an interesting paper from the CCIC at http://ccic.ca/e/docs/003_acf_2008-04_c ... africa.pdf

Looks like Mugabe is going to cling on .... I think his basis for doing so isn't solely confined to Zimbabwe, but to his identity as a leader of collective third-world identity and resurgence (which is also why Mbeki tends to back him up). Honestly, if he'd done what some of his comrades (like Chissano in Mozambique) did and step down, he'd have been able to retire as a hero of African (and human) liberation. Not going to happen now of course....
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Re: Zimbabwe: Is this possible?
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2008, 01:00:29 PM »
Mugabe's getting nastier all the time.  Twenty years ago I worked with a non-profit coalition whose members had working links to people on the ground in the states surrounding South Africa.  The women's groups in Zimbabwe always amazed me with their creativity and their energy.  I wonder about them now... :(

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ZIMBABWE: UNION LEADERS ARRESTED

Unions around the world are condemning the arrests yesterday of Lovemore Motombo and Wellington Chibebe, respectively President and General Secretary of the Zimbabwe Congress of Trade Unions (ZCTU).  The two trade union leaders were charged with "inciting people to rise against the government and reporting falsehoods about people being killed" in speeches given on May Day.

The International Trade Union Confederation's statement is here:

http://www.ituc-csi.org/spip.php?article2107

The IUF is calling for messages of protest to be sent to the Mugabe regime:

http://www.iuf.org/den5018

And the Education International is concerned about rising violence directed against teachers in Zimbabwe, noting that many teachers in rural areas are being killed, maimed, tortured and abused.  Read more here:

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Re: Zimbabwe: Is this possible?
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2008, 05:29:31 PM »
Zimbabwe's currency crashes, prices rocket

Reuters - Zimbabwe's currency plunged to a new record low on Thursday, trading at an average 1 billion to the U.S. dollar on a recently introduced interbank market and triggering massive price increases.

Traders were quoting the Zimbabwean dollar at between 995 million and 1.45 billion against the greenback in Thursday morning trade ...



US condemns Zimbabwe's detention of US diplomats, plans to raise matter at UN

The United States expressed outrage over Zimbabwe's brief detention U.S. diplomats Thursday and pledged to raise the matter with U.N. officials.

"It is absolutely outrageous and it is a case of the kind of repression and violence that this government is willing to use against its own people," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack told reporters. "While we are outraged by this incident, it is nothing" compared to what Zimbabweans live with daily.

Zimbabwe's government did release the diplomats, who were stopped at a roadblock just north of Harare, the capital, McCormack said. The U.S. ambassador in Zimbabwe said police slashed tires and grabbed phones, and that "war veterans" threatened to burn the vehicles with the officials inside.

McCormack said the U.S. intended to bring the issue to the attention of the U.N. Security Council, to Zimbabwean diplomats attending a U.N. food conference in Rome and to President Robert Mugabe's government in Harare.

The U.S. wants to express to the council "our deep concern, unhappiness and distress" and "highlight the fact that the international system is watching events in Zimbabwe and that the actions by the Mugabe government will not go unremarked."

Doing so, he said, "signifies our deep distress at what happened today. Also, it signals our intention that we are going to continue to press this matter."

Diplomats from the U.S. and Britain were attacked as they tried to investigate political violence in Zimbabwe and a U.S. Embassy staffer was beaten, an embassy spokesman said. Five Americans, four Britons and three Zimbabweans were in a three-car convoy, according to U.S. Ambassador James McGee. The British diplomats also were released later.

Zimbabwean police spokesman Wayne Bvudzijena denied that security agents had threatened the diplomats. He said police were trying to rescue the Americans from a threatening mob.

McCormack said it was absurd to suggest that the Zimbabwean government did not know of the U.S. officials' plans to travel outside Harare. ...
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