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« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2010, 02:47:43 PM »
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Pembina Institute basically calls the Government of Alberta liars. About time. And they explain exactly what liesa are being told:
 
 
 
http://www.pembina.org/media-release/2014

They have been doing that for a long time - whenever the Alberta government issues one of their industry inspired 'reports' they respond with science. Sort of like reverse climate deniers .... countering balderdash with truth.
 
Their members used to stay at my house in Fort McMurray - Rob Macintosh, a director and I explored all over the area. (and he looks just a a Hollywood version, Jesus Christ!)
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Re: tar sands
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2010, 08:32:09 PM »
Government and opposition parties cancel oilsands pollution probe; they did not come to agreement on it.  Some are planning their own report:
 
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...The MPs made the decision to terminate their investigation and destroy copies of their report in a meeting behind closed doors on June 17, and they have all declined to provide details on what happened apart from explaining that they failed to reach a consensus...

http://www.windsorstar.com/opinion/Politicians+cancel+oilsands+pollution+probe+tear+draft+reports/3242727/story.html?cid=megadrop_story
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Re: tar sands
« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2010, 06:48:48 PM »
Report by Schindler et al released about heavy metals, etc., in the Athabasca River; Andrew Nikiforuk:
 
http://thetyee.ca/News/2010/08/30/TarSandsStudy/
 
Straight Outta Edmonton has a summary with a bunch of links:
 
http://straightouttaedmonton.blogspot.com/2010/08/boycotting-alberta-oilsands-lessons.html
 
 
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Re: tar sands
« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2010, 10:12:53 PM »
Andrew Nikiforuk tears a strip off Alberta and federal Environment Ministers:
 
http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2010/09/02/KoolAidMinisters/
 
Hat tip Antonia's twitter: http://twitter.com/AntoniaZ
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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2010, 11:06:37 PM »
Are you on Twitter? As what?
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Re: tar sands
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2010, 01:36:33 PM »
Are you on Twitter? As what?
Me? No, I just used your link from a ways back.  I am spending too much time on my computer already - must get off it and do some work.
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Re: tar sands
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2010, 12:21:49 PM »
A current article at This Magazine about birds at the tarsands, and an older one with scientist Kevin Timoney in the comments correcting some claims made by the Alberta government
 
http://this.org/blog/2010/09/08/tar-sands-kills-30-times-more-birds/
 
http://this.org/blog/2009/08/05/ecochamber-15-meet-the-woman-at-ground-zero-of-the-tar-sands-fight/#update3
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Re: tar sands
« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2010, 05:11:43 PM »
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...The charges stem from an alleged spill in May, 2008, although it took until September of that year for provincial authorities to find out about it, said Chris Bourdeau, a spokesman for Alberta Environment...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/suncor-charged-over-water-runoff-data-at-oil-sands-project/article1701581/
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Re: tar sands
« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2010, 05:37:10 PM »
The Suncor tailings pond leaks. It has leaked. It does leak. It shall continue to leak. I worked in the place where the pond is situated - right beside the Athabasca River (we used to sit beside the river and eat our lunch).

I recall seeing a picture in the local newspaper (a totally committed to the company rag) that showed the black tailing pond beside the river; the normal blue of the passing water; and a large 'tail' of oily effluent oozing from the pond. This was circa 1980.

The leak has been common knowledge to anyone that cared. (Governments from Lougheed's to that of this current clown just do not care.)
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Re: tar sands
« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2010, 02:23:34 PM »
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...A conservative estimate of the cost to clean up the land disturbed by oilsands  mining, which now totals more than 68,574 hectares, stands at up to $15 billion, but the Alberta's Environmental Protection Security Fund holds just $820 million, says the Pembina Institute report released Tuesday.

The environmental watchdog agency's report, Toxic Liability, suggests the underfunded security program could be exposing each Alberta taxpayer to a tax liability of $4,300 to $6,300...

http://www.canada.com/business/Alberta+taxpayers+stuck+with+oilsands+cleanup+bill/3523170/story.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Re: tar sands
« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2010, 02:49:46 PM »
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...A conservative estimate of the cost to clean up the land disturbed by oilsands  mining, which now totals more than 68,574 hectares, stands at up to $15 billion, but the Alberta's Environmental Protection Security Fund holds just $820 million, says the Pembina Institute report released Tuesday.

I could see Alberta diverting the necessary monies it sends to Ottawa every year (somewhere between $9 billion and $15 billion) to make up the shortfall in the Security Fund, if pressed to do so.
 
ETA: that's the kind of hardball that Ralph Klein used to play - that's what I was referring to. I don't know if the new guy is cut from the same cloth or not.
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Re: tar sands
« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2010, 09:28:48 PM »
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Re: tar sands
« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2010, 09:52:15 PM »
Ezzie was flogging his new book - I think it's called "Ethical Oil" - on P&P tonight. His main point is that the tarsands are a better investment than Saudi Arabia or Iran for the USA with their totalitarian and anti-woman societies. Didn't know Ezzie was so progressive. ::)

 

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