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skdadl

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Canadian coalition government?
« on: November 28, 2008, 06:38:09 AM »
I may be the only person who thinks that that would be a good way to solve the current kerfuffle, but I do. I would never vote Liberal, but I could support a Liberal-led coalition. I see that Jack is saying Dion as PM is not on, not sure why. Me, I think it would be an ideal way to stop Iggy and Rae.

I'm not starting this discussion with links because things are happening too quickly and everyone's running on rumour at the moment. I do think that the Cons went too far and have been surprised at the reaction. It may be that they have a way to back down at least from the proposal to cut public funding of elections -- some people seem to think there's a way to bury that procedurally.

But everything else Flaherty talked about yesterday is just the wrong way to address a recession (if that's all we've got), and it all came with heaping dollops of nastiness on top, so this is going to get worse before it gets better.

Apparently Chretien has been called in to broker a faster Liberal leadership change. Oh, God. I don't want to see Iggy in my future.

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Re: PM Dion?
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2008, 06:51:38 AM »
I can understand Jack's feelings but this is a time to support democracy.
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Re: PM Dion?
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2008, 07:12:16 AM »
This thread probably needs a better title if it's to last over time. I just didn't know what to call it. "The current mess" seemed a little abstract.  :?

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Re: PM Dion?
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2008, 07:39:14 AM »
Canadian Coalition Government, Harper Twists the Knife in Democracy's Back, Buddy can you spare a 1.95, The Rise of Fascism, :rant:
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Re: Canadian coalition government?
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2008, 09:03:04 AM »
Hey, guys: vote NO.

Hurry. We're losing.

ETA for TAT: That's NO to scrapping public financing, not no to a coalition.

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Re: Canadian coalition government?
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2008, 10:23:41 AM »
Guess who is brokering the coalition?

Chretien and Broadbent.

I shall never stop laughing.

Except I suspect that Paul Wells is right, and Harper will back down, although that in itself will be fun to watch.

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Re: Canadian coalition government?
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2008, 10:32:29 AM »
A vote for democracy indeed. I can't imagine this happening, based on uninformed gut instinct, simply because the Liberals are so craven and it would be so extraordinary--and where are the extraordinary MPs to bring it about? It would also curtail Rae's and Ignatieff's leadership aspirations, and so you've got to think that their cohorts would simply abstain. Still, it's the government Canadians want, or thereabouts, and it would be very optimistic for centre-left politics. I don't even want to speculate, but it would be the best parliamentary result in my lifetime.

As far as I can tell, these people are bastards for encouraging me to even think it's a possibility.

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Re: Canadian coalition government?
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2008, 10:36:52 AM »
Oh, I think we're headed for a PM Iggy sooner or later, which to me is a horror only just this side of Harper. But in a coalition, some interesting things could happen. At Scott Tribe's place, Mushroom just tossed out Thomas Mulcair's name as finance minister ... ok, that'll never happen, but it's fun to think about.

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Re: Canadian coalition government?
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2008, 11:08:47 AM »
Oh, please don't let Harper back down, please don't!
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Re: Canadian coalition government?
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2008, 11:21:26 AM »
I'm with you, Toe.

Please, Steve: stay pig-headed. Stay stubborn. Let your inner bastard out. Rip off that blue sweater vest and try to defy teh queen's representative as head of state.

Everybody send good vibes to Michaëlle Jean this morning.

Let's hear it for constitutional monarchy!  :mrgreen:

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Re: Canadian coalition government?
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2008, 11:54:01 AM »
DAMMIT! Still Harpo has proven himself completely unpredictable and unacceptable as a PM for Canada, they should go forward on that alone.  :evil:
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Re: Canadian coalition government?
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2008, 12:08:45 PM »
CBC :
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The Conservative government says a controversial plan to strip political parties of their public financing won't be included in a confidence vote on the fall fiscal update.

Government sources told the Canadian Press only tax measures will be part of the ways and means motion that parliamentarians will vote upon on Monday.
It's a sharp reversal for the minority government of Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

When the fiscal update was delivered on Thursday, government officials and Finance Minister Jim Flaherty expressly stated the party financing measures would be considered matters of confidence.

But with the Liberals and New Democrats in deep discussions about a potential coalition government should the Tories be defeated, the Conservatives are pulling back.



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Re: Canadian coalition government?
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2008, 12:12:35 PM »
Stevie, the Sweater Guy is a chickenshit, eh?
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Re: Canadian coalition government?
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2008, 12:28:37 PM »
He's not worthy of comment, I'm pissed. We could say the same about the Libs, they didn't take a stand like this over Afghanistan etc. etc., but since they don't have a clue how to raise grass roots money, they took one this time. This was a warning to them.

What happens next with the other stuff in the ways and means vote?
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