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Croghan27

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Re: NFL thread?
« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2010, 05:17:21 PM »
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I thought Thow Who took awhile to warmup. During Pinball Wizard they looked like past their prime rockers but they really settled in for the last 8 or so minutes.
As for the Saints. Well, I hate the Colts so it was a satisfying conclusion especially taking a Manning pick to the house.

Cannot but agree with you about The Who - but then they are not a magic moment sort of group .... Tommy/Quadrophenia are concept albums and, while there are very bright spots in them, they should be heard in its' totality to get the full effect. "See me. Hear me. Touch me. Feel me." need the context to really work.

As for the Colts ... the current Irsay is a long stretch from the drunken fool of the previous one. From Wiki:
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In January 1984, an apparently drunk Irsay appeared before the Baltimore media and exclaimed, "This is my goddamn team!"
Robert had the brains to hire good people - Don Shula for one, Burt Jones for another - but would not let them do what they were hired to do. James (son) even paid so his staff could attend the Superbowl, and bring one family member.

Like you, I am less than a fan of Manning. (Thought his father was terrific.) but by all accounts he does work at it .... practices, studies films, tried out different plays on his own .... for that I am will to forgive a multitude of sins.
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Re: NFL thread?
« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2010, 02:31:47 PM »
Michael. Michael. Michael - are ya that dull?

Michael Vick, a QB of almost unlimited talent and few brains is in trouble again. It seems that someone in a party he had been with shot someone. Apparently he was not there at the time - but he was with the group before and he was hustled into a waiting car when things began to deteriorate.

Well done, Michael - you foresaw a problem and made sure you had a support group there to keep you on the straight and narrow.

But - but - but ...

Now it comes out that he was involved in an 'dispute' just before the shooting.

KAY-RIST - the gyu has more talent n his fingers than I do on my whole body - and he is pissing it away. Pissing it away on things that have nothing to do with football.

The Police are not going to charge him, the Eagles say they will still utilize his talents ... but the Commish still has the final word. I suspect he is pissed!  :mad2

Michael - stay home some of these times.
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Re: NFL thread?
« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2010, 06:28:50 PM »
Michael Vick is a convicted animal torturer...the rare "sports hero" so dispicable that he wasn't able to buy himself out of spending time in the crowbar hotel.  No surprise he doesn't have empathy for his fellow humans.

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Re: NFL thread?
« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2010, 01:24:04 AM »
Odd thing to do - charge attendance at your own birthday party.


That said, it doesn't look like he was actually involved in the shooting. 
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Re: NFL thread?
« Reply #34 on: September 12, 2010, 12:10:28 AM »
As tomorrow creeps forth its' petty pace from today to the day after, the New England Patriots will meet the Cincinnati Bengals on the first Sunday of NFL football. 

While I am a died in the wool, true blue, those are my boyz, New England Patriot fan, and have been since before some fools decided to climb up Banker Bunker Hill and tell some German king he was a jerk, the Bengals always have had a soft place in my heart. They are a 'small market team', cut off from the rest of Ohio by the Browns, who someone forgot to tell they are just supposed to be fodder for the big boyz in the big market cities. Last year they won the NFL north division of the American Football League and probably will again this year. They have a most respectable QB in Carson Palmer, and two of the best receivers in the league in Chad Ochocinco (his number is 81 and he changed his name to match) and Terrell Owen. You ain't gonna find two better than that!

Who you will find and find with the Pats, is Randy Moss. As per Charles Pierce: Randy Moss is the best wide receiver of his generation by a margin that is close to ludicrous. .... and QB Tom Brady can hold his own, even if he was in a car accident this week and got his hair cut. (Huge discussion at FDL.) He also became the highest paid player in the NFL at something over a million dollars a game. Look for the Pats to win this one ... they have some other problems that will bite them in the ass later (the roster is too old, a long season will wear them down) and so will at best go 11-5, maybe 10-6 for the season. But this one they will win.
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Re: NFL thread?
« Reply #35 on: September 12, 2010, 09:34:53 PM »
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As tomorrow   creeps forth its' petty pace from today to the day after, the New   England Patriots will meet the Cincinnati Bengals on the first Sunday of   NFL football. 

I left out a factor when considering the game: the Belichick factor. Bill B. is one of the all time greatest NFL coaches. His game plan so intimidated the Bengals in the first half they never did recover for the second.

Aside: Coincident with the Pats/Bengals game was a CFL game that I would not have minded watching.  :o This old boy from the coast would have liked to see the flat land folks, Sask vs the 'Peg, play.

Not sure what happened .... Saskatchewan has been in decline for several weeks - they have lost to BC, Edmonton (EDMONTON???? GEEZE) and now to Winnipeg. Something is rotten in the state of Riderdom.
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Re: NFL thread?
« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2010, 07:03:28 AM »
In sports my two favourite teams are:

Baseball - ABY (Anybody But the Yankees)  :mad2

Football - ABD - (Anybody But Dallas)  :mad2 :mad2

(Odd that along with San Francisco these are my favourite American Cities.)


Michael Oriard, an English Prof from Oregon, has a good essay about the Cowboys in the WaPo. It is good reading about football, corporations, people and the general American mileau. 
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Re: NFL thread?
« Reply #37 on: October 31, 2010, 04:31:59 PM »
Well, "America's Team" went down to defeat (again!) today.  Yay!  Too bad, Jerry Jones - the Superbowl will take place in Dallas & your team won't be playing. 

The Lions won!  For the first time in a decade (actually more than a decade) the Lions look decent.

I'll say it again---tons of issues with the NFL, but you gotta like the combination of men in spandex/applied socialism (revenue sharing)!

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Re: NFL thread?
« Reply #38 on: November 01, 2010, 09:15:06 AM »
My Patriots keep finding a way to win. Favre needs to retire for good before he damages his legacy.

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Re: NFL thread?
« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2010, 04:46:03 PM »
Right now the New England Patriots are playing the Indianapolis Colts: Brady vs Peyton Manning. (NE scored moments ago off a turnover by the Colts.)
 
These are the two best QBs in football today - arguably the two best to ever play the game. Although I am, and have been for decades, a Pats fan, who am I to say who is the better.
 
That being said the Colts supporting cast is not what it has been in years gone by (their offensive line is small but not fast enough to compensate) ... With NE it does not matter all that much as coach Belichuck's schemes depend upon closely coordinated team work and no one player (with the possible exception of Brady) makes a huge difference.
 
Even so, it is a game worth watch as an exhibition of what good football should be.
 
A note on Michael Vick's performance last week ... it is being proclaimed as the greatest thing that has happened ...ever.
 
Maybe so ... but while Philly was scoring 59 points, Washington scored 28. Scoring 28 points is enough to win most games. Is the Philly defense that bad that while the offense managed three score points (pun intended) the other team had time to rack up that many?
 
Yes, Vick has matured as a QB .... but look to the crafty NFL coaches to figure out his magic and flummox his attempts.
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« Reply #40 on: November 21, 2010, 07:12:18 PM »
26 seconds left and Manning was driving the Colt toward the NE end zone; score 28-31 for NE.
 
Already within field goal range, he decided to go for one more pass to either score or at least get closer for a tying kick.
 
One of the NE linebackers came blasting around the end of the line (a long way from -25 there) and disrupted Payton's throw. He was intercepted.
 
Love my Pats ... but oh my they are hard on my heart.
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Re: NFL thread?
« Reply #41 on: December 19, 2010, 09:08:17 PM »
I am a football fan. I feel there is a certain beauty in the bringing out of order from the chaos on the field as a play begins. The CFL has one version of it and the NFL another.
 
The NE Patriots are about to begin a game against Green Bay and as part of the pregame package Bob Costas interviewed Roger Goodell, the head of the League.
 
Now make no mistake about it, Goodell is not about what I spoke of above, the beauty of the game, of an athletic endeavor - he is an employee of and collective spokesman for, the team owners. It is often pointed out that a sports team is a vanity acquisition for any one of the owners. It is not their primary source of income (The Kansas City Royals, baseball, were the last N. American team who's owner was in that place - and he sold an oil company to concertrate on them), the teams are always a minor stock in their portfolio.
 
There will be a lock out of the players next year. If what Goodell said during the interview is any indication of the position of the owners. The owners are overwhelmingly contributors to the Republican Party of the US. No, not Republicans in the way I spoke of my 'dear-to-my-heart's' father, but think of the Brothers Koch, funders of and intruders into the tea party movement, both totally committed to their class position over all else: over sports, over America and over people.
 
The owners want to go to an 18 game season, the union objects.
 
The owners want the extra money, even though, from TV revenue, all the teams make substantial bucks without and before setting foot on the field.
 
The union is concerned about the players health - they have seen what happened when the league went from 14 to 16 games. At any given time teams have a considerable list of those off from injury (note the Brett Favre, who set a record for most games started had to break the streak, not from retirement, not from being tired, but from an wonky shoulder from a fierce hit.) Evidence that constant hit to the head have consequences that appear only years later - long after the 5 year termination of NFL health benefits.
 
Remember Mile Webster .... sometimes considered the best Offensive Center to ever play the game for the Pittsburgh Steelers in the 1970s? Wikipedia has this to say about his final years:
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Webster was proven to have been disabled before retiring from the NFL. After retirement Webster suffered from amnesia, dementia, depression, and acute bone and muscle pain. He lived out of his pickup truck or train stations between Wisconsin and Pittsburgh, even though his friends and former teammates were willing to rent apartments for him. In his last years Webster lived with his youngest son, Garrett, who though only a teenager at the time, had to act as the parent to his own father. Webster's wife divorced him six months before his death in 2002. He was only 50 years old.
Webster is seen as an example of the difficulties American football players suffer when their careers are over. Other players who retired because of the effects of concussion or other head injuries include Johnny Unitas, Roger Staubach, Merril Hoge, Troy Aikman, Steve Young, Joe Gilliam, Dave Pear, Wayne Chrebet, and Al Toon.

When Roger was asked about the added injuries of an expanded season he responded that injuries are common in all sports .....
 
When Costas pointed out that football is the team sport with the most injuries, he, in good tea bag neocon mode, replied .. there are injuries in life ... look at our good soldiers out there protecting our freedoms ... they have injuries all the time!
 
I have to take my hat off to Bob Costas, in perhaps a three minute interview he not only illustrated why there is going to be a lockout in the NFL next year, he brought out the kernel of the owner's position ("We can make adjustments."), and exposed the vision of the ruling class of America.
 
If you watch a game and they show a shot of the owner sitting in his (either air conditioned or heated) box, think of this and that he is a major supporter (as in $$$) of the Republican Party. (They all are.)
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