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« Reply #30 on: April 21, 2010, 03:14:07 PM »
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Hi Croghie I've been thinking about this part of your post for the last few days but have had no time to reply. I rolled it around and was reminded the only time the airspace was practically empty was during 9/11, was also reminded that there was a military exercise going on. That got me looking into this ash cloud that shut down Europe. Did I find something, you betcha. A rather large NATO exercise going on in the Baltic Sea which included military jets. 10-day long multi-nation naval drill began on April 12 18, 2010. Eruption on 14th. http://www.manw.nato.int/page_Brilliant_mariner_home_page.aspx
 
Finally the Airpilot Association complained, flew in their own planes and demanded airspace on Sunday and now over 80% of the eruption has lost its intensity.
 
And the U.S. was playing war games with S. Korea only 15 miles from the demilitarized zone on Kim Il Jong's Birthday no less! No message there eh?
http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=69377
 
And what's Canada doing, endlessly discussing two failed, talentless MP's.

By amazing co-inky-dink I saw last night a reference to and interview with the scientist that conducted the study. It was on the Knowledge Network about 3:00AM. He found that the sunlight and heat hitting the earth is reduced by about 5% from the air plane contrails. The overall story was about 'global dimming' - caused by the omnipresent particulate pollution. The fear being, as he so well articulated, that the presence of what makes up traditional pollution masks the effects of global warming - we are about to be hoisted on our own petard. When we solve the pollution problem it will only open us up for far more severe effects of the greenhouse gases.
 
FWIW - I cannot footnote this ... I also saw a report that spoke of a F-16 that went through the ash .... it fouled up its' engine and the jets damn near crashed.
 
On another note ... we ARE doing more than discuss two inept MPs .. we are getting indignant about the parole/pardon system. Come 'on Toe .. keep up!
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« Reply #31 on: April 21, 2010, 07:41:31 PM »
I'm suggesting http://www.haarp.net/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/PrintArticle.php?articleId=1790
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7090608/Simulated-volcanic-eruptions-to-block-sun.html
Did you know that the Space Shuttle has been orbiting the Earth for the past 15 Days? Why? Bad weather! Sounds like bullshite to me. But hey no one is asking, so I guess it's all okay.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/europe/la-fg-volcano-flights19-2010apr19,0,7695250,full.story

And now it's safe! I think some fudging has been going on and I absolutely do not trust the science as they are putting forth. Until I see NORAD airspace photos on the days it was all shut down, I will never believe it.





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« Reply #32 on: April 21, 2010, 08:06:45 PM »
Incredible pics of the Eyjafjallajokull volcano
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/04/more_from_eyjafjallajokull.html

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« Reply #33 on: April 21, 2010, 08:42:52 PM »
Amazing. Terrifying. Beautiful.

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« Reply #34 on: April 21, 2010, 09:42:07 PM »
It wants derivative trader sacrifices.

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« Reply #35 on: April 21, 2010, 09:55:21 PM »
Barbeque! Yes!

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« Reply #36 on: April 21, 2010, 10:31:58 PM »
It should be a condition of license for all traders of financial instruments.  Deliberately short planet and bring down world economy and cause mass suffering, get sacrificed to Eyjafjallajökull in big ceremony...

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« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2010, 02:36:27 PM »
House at Saint-Jude Quebec falls into a hole; the family is still missing.
 
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/807613--family-missing-after-house-sinks-in-gigantic-crater?bn=1
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« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2010, 04:08:37 PM »
Geologists are now saying that area is prone to landslides because there may be sizable deposits of Leda clay, left behind when the Champlain sea receded.  We also have those in the Outaouais and the sinkholes or landslides usually occur close to rivers, when certain weather conditions cause the clay to liquify.

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« Reply #39 on: May 11, 2010, 04:27:39 PM »
Has there been a lot of rain in the area?
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« Reply #40 on: May 11, 2010, 04:33:34 PM »
Yes, but only specific conditions can trigger the liquification of Leda clay.  It was apparently a dry winter, and then, with unusually abundant precipitation over a short period of time, those deposits may have become supersaturated.

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« Reply #41 on: May 11, 2010, 06:43:06 PM »
Well, there was very little snow in the winter. Don't think it has rained more in the springtime than normally.

Yes, the Leda Clay is also in the Outaouais (on both the Ontario and Quebec sides of the Ottawa Valley).  The family dog has been found, tied up outside, but alas I think all the humans were watching the Canadiens game in a basement rec room.

By the way our co-op has structural problems during to shifting soil underneath, and insufficient structural work by the architect and contractors. We sued them successfully, but still have a lot on our plates. This is very common here, and we are often talking about buildings over 100 years old. The house in the village of St-Jude was new though. Things are very, very lush and green for the first half of May in that part of Québec, but I think that is more due to how early spring came than any unusual rains. Sure, there have been rainy days, but lots of sunny ones as well.
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« Reply #42 on: May 11, 2010, 07:13:04 PM »
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Yes, the Leda Clay is also in the Outaouais (on both the Ontario and Quebec sides of the Ottawa Valley)

The Sir John Carling Building on the central experimental farm is now empty. The Minister's offices were moved just before Christmas. The story in the link is confusing as to the reason. The reason the Dept of Ag has moved to the old (new) Nortel training centre, to the south west of the Farm, is that the building is moving. It is slowly sliding toward Prince of Wales Drive and Dows Lake.
 
It does not help that the entire building was a piece of construction shit beginning just after it was built: it leaked, cracked (you were not able to walk in front of it because of falling masonary) and was drafty. If you look at the view in the link now, you can see the major cracks in the structure as one part slides away and the other remains.
 
I believe the cafeteria is to be left as a 'visitor centre' - it is one story high.
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« Reply #43 on: May 11, 2010, 09:46:22 PM »
They found all four bodies of the family members.

Edited to add:

Here is a Radio-Canada story with a picture of the house before the tragedy: http://www.radio-canada.ca/regions/Montreal/2010/05/11/001-crevasse-st-jude.shtml  The father was an electrician and built the house (a new house, but in a traditional rural Québec style) along with friends and family, including his next-door neighbour who had known him all his life.
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« Reply #44 on: May 11, 2010, 09:59:10 PM »
Shoreline erosion here is a problem. The municpality said they can't do anything until our houses actually fall into the water, then we'll be re-located.

 

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