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« on: May 21, 2010, 07:08:32 PM »
To get started. [URL=http://thinkprogress.org/2010/05/21/grayson-wars-taxes-americans/]Grayson introduces ‘War Is Making You Poor Act’ to highlight cost of ongoing wars.[/URL]

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Grayson’s bill, which is currently being co-sponsored by Reps. Ron Paul (R-TX), Walter Jones (R-NC), Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) Barbara Lee (D-CA), John Conyers (D-MI), and Lynn Woolsey (D-CA), would also cut the federal deficit by $15.9 billion. “There is no longer any need to go beyond the exorbitant base defense budget,” Grayson said. “It is not necessary. Enough is enough.”

And a pie chart to bring it home. 58% for the wars the U.S. has started

Altho I've picked the U.S. as a first post, we all need to be more aware of how the ridiculously high taxes we pay in the G-8 are not going towards the people, where most of it belongs. Because we are all in this together, whether we want to be or not. Whatever happens in the U.S. just reaches us a little later. Including the oil balls of greedy, living corpse's that fund the parties.
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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2010, 07:19:20 PM »
Great idea for an ongoing discussion, Toe.

pogge wrote about Grayson as an interesting guy a couple of years ago, first time I'd heard of him, but as usual, pogge turned out to be right.   ;)   Good cross-section of sponsors for that bill. Off to read more.

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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2010, 10:07:41 PM »
Why am I not surprised?
Grayson's bill doesn't have a chance in hell to pass, not in this wonky, upside down, teabaggy world. But he is certainly a challenge to both D's and R's.
Too many Congress people have their hands in the DOD cookie jar, for this to ever get traction.

Check this out - War Tax Resistance-Why Not?  That was in 1975 for crying out loud! And encouraged by: [SIZE=-1]Father Lull is vicar of the Church of the Ascension (Episcopal), Parkesburg, Pennsylvania. This article appeared in The Christian Century, April 2, 1975.

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[SIZE=+0]Further, for all these mammoth expenditures, our security is not increased; in fact, it is lessened.[/SIZE]

35 years later Nothing Has Changed regarding Security, or so we're told.

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[SIZE=+0] Such incredible waste, in the face of heartbreaking human need, has also been a major factor responsible for the inflation now so prevalent and for the threatening worldwide depression[/SIZE]

How prescient was that? To think Christians once possessed keen insight and good judgment.

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[SIZE=+0]Power originates with a dedicated few; Jan Smuts estimated that if 5 per cent of any body of people is wholly convinced about anything, that number can swing the rest. Even so, as the writer of I Maccabees assures us: ‘With the God of Heaven it is all one, to deliver with a great multitude, or a small company" (3:18). Unless a small company of resisters faces up to the real threat of nuclear holocaust, we may well be the last evil people on earth.[/SIZE]

Wow, WTF happened to Kristians in the last 35 years? Kairos, we want you back!
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« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2010, 10:07:46 AM »
I agree that the money is squandered, along with lives, to no good purpose.  I disagree that we pay ridiculously high taxes - we just spend what we pay in foolish ways, rather than on making our society a better and healthier place to be.
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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2010, 09:17:09 AM »
Another veteran Canadian soldiers dies in Afghanistan while the politicians nickels and dimes the public Pigs!

I read a great article (which I can't find now) about our soldiers fighting and dying, not for the country, but for the government.
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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2010, 12:30:13 PM »
Austerity, nice Orwellian term

Lagatta, it's all in the video, but the transcript is below.
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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2011, 12:27:19 AM »
Remember when 'austerity' was an orwellian term?
Well Cameroon was in parl. today to speak for Harper. Get used to it. It's Brit/ it's Canuck, it's Here. Austerity.

But there is more:


The author also notes that Boss was one of more than 15,000 German factories producing uniforms during that period. “There is no indication that the Hugo Boss company played any kind of leading role in [the uniform production] sector. Nor do the available sources indicate in any way that it was involved in designing uniforms.”

Hugo Boss is far from the only big company to apologize for it’s role during the war in recent times. The past year has seen companies such as Ikea and the French national railway SNCF both forced to admit unsavory roles played at the time.
Swedish billionaire Ingvar Kamprad, the founder of the Ikea furniture chain, who, according to a book published this year is said to have actively recruited people to the fascist Sweden's Socialist Union (SSS), admitted that involvement was youthful "stupidity", and the "greatest mistake" of his life.
Meanwhile, also this year, Guillaume Pepy, the SNCF chairman, made a formal public apology directly to Holocaust victims after American lawmakers, survivors and their descendants moved to block the company from winning contracts in the US if it did not acknowledge its role in the shipping of thousands of Jews to Nazi death camps.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/fashion-powerhouse-hugo-boss-issues-formal-apology-for-its-nazi-past-1.386136
I know this is not 'new' news, but I wanted it here for history. I also know this story serves no purpose under this heading, but I have no idea where to post it. Sorry.
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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2011, 07:10:08 AM »
After seeing that pie chart, I'm wondering what the Canadian version would look like.  Looking...
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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2011, 11:11:28 AM »
Well now we know why there is so much media attention on the celebration of (victory) in Libya etc.


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Even more shocking is that the Harper government ensures that it gets support from the pro-war corporate lobby – the half-million dollar grant is only to be paid out if the group gets plenty of media coverage.
According to the deal, the Conference of Defence Associations is required to “attain a minimum of 29 media references to the CDA by national or regional journalists and reporters . . . 15 opinion pieces (including op-eds and letters to the editor in national or regional publications) . . . [and] a minimum of 100 requests by media for radio/television interviews and materials.”
And this is where the story gets most interesting.


It goes on to describe the Generals and the Cash Awards to Journos. (Christie Blatchford received one, $2,500) This is from a Ceasefire appeal for donations, yes it's a money appeal, but I've never known Staples to fudge the facts, as they Generals do so well.
http://www.ceasefire.ca/?p=9198
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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2011, 01:42:51 PM »
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Well now we know why there is so much media attention on the celebration of (victory) in Libya etc.

John Geddes at Macleans wrote about DND funding of the Conference of Defence Associations in 2007 :  This op-ed is brought to you by

Media collusion.
During the Afghan committee's investigation of detainee abuse last year, CDA director Paul Chapin wrote an Ottawa Citizen article comparing the Afghan committee's hearings to Senator Joe McCarthy's commie witch hunts.
The Ottawa Citizen failed to mention that Paul Chapin was one of the authors of the 2005 detainee agreement when he was director general of DFAIT's security bureau from 2003 to 2006.

Its a revolving door.

CDA also sponsors the Canadian Conference on Defence and Security. Corporate sponsors here.

As Pogge said at the time : ""What we have here is taxpayer dollars being laundered through the defence budget and used to pay academics to lobby us ."

You can read the 2007 to 2012 $500,000 grant agreement between DND and CDA here

Some discussion on the CDA Ross Monroe media awards here.
Murray Brewster got one, so - not only war porners.
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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2011, 01:50:45 PM »
Thanks Alison.
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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2011, 05:14:54 PM »
On CBC today: the federal gov't says it needs to cut down on spending. Isn't this the same gov't that just signed contracts for billions on warships and wants to buy F35s?  :confused

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« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2012, 12:58:58 PM »

Since it was announced the gov't is spending $1B on Drones, sure has been quiet.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Canadian+miltary+intends+spend+billion+armed+drones/7048045/story.html


The military wants drones that can pack a punch or as they put it should be able to carry precision-guided munitions "This capability will allow the CF (Canadian Forces) to fill critical deficiencies”.
What deficiences? The gob will try and scam us as to purpose, don't forget arms carrying drones are Offensive weapons, not Defensive.
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« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2012, 02:31:05 PM »

Canadian troops trained by Blackwater without U.S. permission: court records (without our permission either)

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/canadian-troops-trained-by-blackwater-without-us-permission-court-records/article4469472/


The Harper government has had a standing contract with the company since 2008.
It’s paid millions of dollars going back to 2006 for the specialized training, given to special forces troops and some police officers.
Harper is a criminal.
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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2012, 03:32:53 PM »
Conscience Canada (Conscientious Objectors) Great little video
http://www.consciencecanada.ca/


Here is the letter Plea For a Peace Tax Fund - Dear Mr Harper, Mr Flaherty, and Mr Bruinooge,
http://www.consciencecanada.ca/?p=596


Attempted Legislation [/size]http://www.consciencecanada.ca/?page_id=292


Redirection of Military Taxes
http://www.consciencecanada.ca/eptr/


Diverting 7.9%, the military portion of owed federal tax for tax year 2011, to the Peace Tax Fund of Conscience Canada. I understand that diverting any taxes is a form of civil disobedience and that the Canada Revenue Agency may take action to collect diverted taxes.
Diverting a symbolic portion of owed federal tax to the Peace Tax Fund of Conscience Canada, pending the creation of a government controlled Peace Fund. I understand that diverting any taxes is a form of civil disobedience and that the Canada Revenue Agency may take action to collect diverted taxes.
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