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Re: Shale gas - Québec and elsewhere.
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2011, 02:09:27 PM »
Nikiforuk on the chemicals used in fracking that the Canadian government won't tell us about:
 
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In one blunt 30-page report the U.S. Congress has now spilled the beans on an extreme Canadian energy sport.
 
Believe it or not, the U.S. Committee On Energy and Commerce disclosed what our very own energy regulators won't: it listed the contents of hydraulic fracking fluids for shale gas and oil production...

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2011/04/20/FrackingToxins/
 
 
ETA: a fracked well in Pennsylvania has blown out and spilled fluid, on the anniversary of the BP spill.
 
http://www.desmogblog.com/breaking-pennsylvania-fracking-spill-haunting-reminder-bp-anniversary
 
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« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2011, 02:32:26 PM »
I take a WHIMS course (again) tomorrow and shall ask about this ... but the act states:
 
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 theHazardous Materials Information Review Act, paragraph 13(a) of theHPA sets out what ingredients are subject to disclosure on theMSDS and section 4 of theCPR specifies the concentration above which those ingredients must be disclosed.
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« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2011, 01:59:10 PM »
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« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2011, 05:38:43 PM »
Lawsuit over fracking by a lawyer living in Rosebud, Alberta
 
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...But during the boom things changed. The region's geological formations got blasted so many times by highly pressurized injections of nitrogen, water, sand and toxic chemicals that methane started to seep up all over the place. Even Ernst's dogs stopped drinking the water. Today the landowner can now set her tap water on fire. In fact, she now trucks in fresh water to avoid inconvenient kitchen explosions while making dinner. Nor is she alone... 

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2011/04/28/FrackingSuit/
 
 
Website about the lawsuit:
 
http://www.ernstversusencana.ca/
 
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« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2011, 12:26:34 PM »
The Shale Gas Revolution in 12 Slides which leads to ...

The Shale Gas Shock: Report from the Global Warming Policy Foundation

The Global Warming Policy Foundation has several well-known AGW deniers involved (or some at best admit it is warming but do not want to actually do anything about it) including Peiser, Lawson and several people on its Advisory Board such as Dyson, Lindzen, McKitrick, Plimer and Tol; so I would be very hesitant to trust anything they say.  Quite a group of rogues; probably others there are deniers, I just don't recall the names; I think Carter is at least.
 
The thing is, I would not trust what they present as science, or economics, for that matter.
 
ETA: Letter someone linked to in comments at Deltoid; it says that fracking produces at least 20% more GHG.
 
http://www.eeb.cornell.edu/howarth/Howarth%20et%20al%20%202011.pdf
 
DesmogBlog continues to post often about fracking, and has produced its own report, "Fracking the Future" calling for a moratorium on fracking because of the danger to drinking water, air and climate.:
 
http://www.desmogblog.com/fracking-future-how-unconventional-gas-threatens-our-water-health-and-climate-report
 
http://desmogblog.com/fracking-the-future/
 
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« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2011, 02:01:10 PM »
Sourcewatch about the Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF) including links about many of its board and council members:
 
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Global_Warming_Policy_Foundation
 
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« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2011, 03:20:30 PM »
Sourcewatch about the Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF) including links about many of its board and council members:
 
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Global_Warming_Policy_Foundation

Holly, if you go to the NBC site and watch any of their commentators  (like Maddow) you will see that between each segment an avuncular geologist (from Exxon/Mobil) singing the phrases of shale gas. "All this time it was right under our feet."
 
Like discovering a winning lotto ticket in the pocket of an old coat.
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« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2011, 03:35:54 PM »
...Holly, if you go to the NBC site and watch any of their commentators  (like Maddow) you will see that between each segment an avuncular geologist (from Exxon/Mobil) singing the phrases of shale gas. "All this time it was right under our feet."
 
Like discovering a winning lotto ticket in the pocket of an old coat.
... covered with anthrax powder.
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« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2011, 08:05:20 PM »
And here I thought I scooped Holly Stick on something energy-related. I shoulda known!  :))
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« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2011, 09:20:18 PM »
Well, the group's name didn't ring a bell, there are so many, but when I started going down the list of names, it was ding! ding! ding! ding! ding! ding!
 
I've spent a lot of time reading http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/ an Australian blog that debunks many climate denialist claims and links to various other blogs which are also good at doing that. It is a world wide community. I post at them occasionally, but mainly just learn from them.
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« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2011, 06:14:41 PM »
Peer-reviewed study shows that fracking does indeed produce flammable drinking water:
 
http://www.desmogblog.com/scientists-confirm-fracking-link-flammable-drinking-water
 
Methane in the water may or may not be harmful to human health, but having it blow up your home sure would be.
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« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2011, 07:25:26 PM »
Ouzo is what Greeks call flammable drinking water.
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« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2011, 08:10:21 PM »
Nikiforuk: report says the benefits of shale gas are overblown:
 
http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2011/05/16/ShaleGale/
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« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2011, 10:52:42 AM »
Good post about fracking, with lots of links and a song "My Water's on Fire Tonight":
 
http://350orbust.wordpress.com/2011/05/24/why-all-the-fracking-fuss/
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