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Re: Shale gas - Québec and elsewhere.
« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2011, 06:44:56 PM »
Fracking may be causing some small earthquakes:
 
http://www.desmogblog.com/fracking-uk-causing-earthquakes
 
US government is being sued over granting fracking permits without doing enough studying of possible effects:
 
http://www.desmogblog.com/new-york-attorney-general-sues-over-lack-fracking-studies
 
People are calling on BC government to investigate fracking:
 
http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2011/06/01/FrackingInvestigation/
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« Reply #31 on: June 10, 2011, 05:27:20 PM »
Fracking has been going on in BC without much review of the effects:
 
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...Set to break its own records for the largest fracking operations in history, Parfitt suggests that unconventional gas fracking in BC may already be posing an environmental threat equivalent to the Alberta tar sands...

http://www.desmogblog.com/gas-fracking-war-british-columbia-s-wildlands
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« Reply #32 on: June 10, 2011, 06:37:50 PM »
I have been talking to a lot of enviro experts recently. More today.  8) :whistle

Anyway, somebody suggested to me that, not only do fracking and earthquakes seem related, but also the earth's rotation and fracking (and other forms of resource extraction like oil drilling.) I dunno. But ya start messing with the design, something is gonna get knocked around -- and all that could be contributing to climate change.
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« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2011, 04:45:05 PM »
Shale gas may not be as cheap and easy as the industry claims:
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/26/us/26gas.html
 
Documents the NYT has recieved about shale gas:
 
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/us/natural-gas-drilling-down-documents-4-intro.html
 
 
ETA: oil companies in general are also overblown (Hat tip Robert McLelland):
 
http://www.globeadvisor.com/servlet/ArticleNews/story/gam/20110624/ROBMAG_JULY_AUG2011_P22__
 
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« Reply #34 on: July 09, 2011, 12:56:05 PM »
Nikiforuk: Shale gas may be dirtier than coal:
 
http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2011/07/07/ShaleEmissions/
 
ETA: It's also called "unconventional gas", I guess:
 
http://www.desmogblog.com/pan-european-approach-banning-unconventional-gas
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« Reply #35 on: July 09, 2011, 02:03:23 PM »
Fracking has been a common practice for years ... it is a good way to entend the life of an oil field. It unlocks some of the hydrocarbon that is contained in the rock.
 
It is the increase in the amount of fracking that is without parallel. Despite the garbage in the EXXON commercials, everyone always knew the hydrocarbon was there - they just did not bother to go after it.
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« Reply #36 on: July 14, 2011, 03:27:46 PM »
Pembina and Suzuki:
 
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...While switching from coal and oil to natural gas would cut greenhouse gas emissions in the short term, it wouldn't be enough to meet the G8 target of cutting emissions by 80 per cent by 2050, says the report by the David Suzuki Foundation and Pembina Institute.
   
And extracting natural gas - especially controversial shale gas - will likely have other environmental impacts such as water contamination, increased air pollution and increased water consumption, the report says. Canada is the third-largest producer of natural gas in the world...
 
http://www.montrealgazette.com/technology/Embrace+renewable+energy+Suzuki/5099687/story.html
 
 
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« Reply #37 on: July 14, 2011, 05:55:52 PM »
And most of it comes from Harper, Kenney and Baird.
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« Reply #38 on: August 19, 2011, 02:03:59 PM »
Alberta Government - industry collusion over shale gas, and an agreement bewtween Alberta, Saskatchewan and BC:
 
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...Under the New West Partnership, Canada's three major hydrocarbon-producing provinces agreed to collaborate on industry water use and hydraulic fracture technology in Dec. 2010.
 
The secret agreement, which is not on the partnership's website, admits that hydraulic fracturing fluids "can include water, hydrocarbons, gels or inert-gas-based foams." To date none of the three provinces have disclosed what toxic compounds are actually being used in fracking fluids...

http://thetyee.ca/News/2011/08/19/Government-Industry-Collude-on-Shale-Gas/
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« Reply #39 on: August 27, 2011, 04:55:18 PM »
A friend on FB posted this today:
 
About those flood warnings for the East Coast, NYC, and New York state? To those who think they can take a Sharpie and draw a line on the map to keep toxic and radioactive frack water in one place. To all who can't wait for a full environmental impact study. Yes, you. Ever thought about where flood water goes? No? Guess what, we're about to experience it. Everywhere. That's where it goes. And if the water has frack chemicals in it, guess where it will go? Everywhere.  :o

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« Reply #40 on: August 28, 2011, 01:39:55 AM »
Smart friend.
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« Reply #41 on: September 11, 2011, 11:09:18 PM »
Members of the Kainai Blood Tribe are angry that half of their land was leased out for fracking by the chief and council. About a dozen blockaded a road and three women were arrested. The Blood Reserve is the largest in Canada as far as I know.
 
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/story/2011/09/11/alberta-blood-reserve-fracking-protest.html
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« Reply #42 on: September 12, 2011, 12:03:36 AM »
I read - probably in an oil industry magazine - that oil companies doing fracking are trying to win over aboriginal communities by offering them a share in the company - I'll post it when I find it.
 
 
ETA: An earlier story from the same community:
 
Blood Tribe Members Call for Moratorium on Hydro Fracking (March 14, 2011)
 
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A growing number of Blood Tribe Members in southern Alberta are calling for a moratorium on the controversial process known as hydro fracking.

In late 2010, Kainaiwa Resources Inc. (KRI), a company solely owned by the Blood Tribe, quietly signed off on a deal with the Calgary-based junior mining company Bowood Energy and the U.S. company Murphy Oil.

"The deal netted the Blood Tribe at least $50 Million and potentially more revenue in the future," says Protect Blood Land, a new grassroots effort led by concerned tribal members, including the Blood/Sámi student and activist, Maija Tailfeathers.

However, Protect Blood Land says that no one from the reserve was consulted before the deal was finalized. "KRI and the Blood Tribe Chief and Council neglected to maintain any degree of transparency during and after the negotiations--ultimately, leaving a large population of tribe members completely unaware of the situation until after the deal was made," says Protect Blood Land.


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« Reply #43 on: September 12, 2011, 12:43:19 AM »
From an American blog, not sure this applies to Canada:
 
Hard Sell, Patriotism & Deception in the Gas-Fracking Industry
 
 
  • Lease Life – Our leases are for 5 years with small plots of land or 3 years with an option to renew for 2 years on larger land tracts. If the landowner has brought the lease to an attorney they may know that if the well continues to produce that the lease is extended for the lifetime of the well, which can be as high as 40 years. Do not deny if pressed on this issue. This extension does not require their approval. If we have an active well then it is within our legal right to continue development until we turn it off. Stress the 5 year lease unless absolutely pushed on the details.

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« Reply #44 on: September 12, 2011, 09:19:36 AM »
I'm still looking for the exact quote, but in the meantime here is perspective from the Canadian Oil and Gas  Industry magazine Ocean Resources which is given free to all passengers on Air Labrador flights:
 
Fracking Debate Heats Up
 
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But as the movement to ban fracking gains more momentum, industry experts are saying that the practice has been unfairly labeled, and it is now taking the blame for environmental problems that may have occurred for other reasons.

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Guy spends much of his time these days responding to misinformation about fracking and the gas industry in general. Lately CAPP has begun running a series of highly produced television commercials promoting the benefits of a well-managed onshore petroleum industry in Canada, as well as hosting a series of public forums and open houses in petroleum areas around the country. Guy says most of the opposition to fracking is founded on misinformation, and he reiterates Huskins’ argument that the activity takes place at a depth that is far removed from ground water. “Typically fracturing activity is taking place 2,000 to 3,000 meters below the surface,” he says. “The deepest potable water anywhere is found at around 400 meters. In fact 300 meters is an extremely deep water well. There is absolutely no scientific evidence that fracks taking place at the 2,000 meter depth are having any effect on water wells.” He points to the fact that more than a million fracks have taken place on the North American continent since the practice began in 1949, with 167,000 of them taking place in Alberta. “The fact is, even with all that activity there is not a single known incidence of a well contamination as a result of a frack,” he says.

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Larry Huskins remains quietly optimistic that his industry will prevail in the battle for public hearts and minds. Like Forent, CAPP and other players, Corridor Resources has been hosting open houses and stakeholder meetings in areas around New Brunswick’s McCully Gas Field. He says that while the oil and gas industry has made some mistakes in the past, the scientific evidence is strongly there to support hydraulic fracturing as a safe and environmentally benign process. “At the end of the day the public will become educated enough about the real truths to make their own decisions,” he says.

 

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