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Election 2011?
« on: December 16, 2010, 05:39:13 PM »
Bill Siksay (NDP) just announced he will not run next time. Heard it on P&P.

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Re: Election 2011?
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2010, 06:57:38 PM »
That's too bad, He's one of the good guys.
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Re: Election 2011?
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2010, 07:47:06 PM »
Seriously, he's the only NDP member that I gave a campaign contribution to in the last election.

I hope the party brass are not forcing him out in favour of a more pliant caucus member. F*ck, this is really pissing me off.
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Re: Election 2011?
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2010, 07:59:02 PM »
Seriously, he's the only NDP member that I gave a campaign contribution to in the last election.

I hope the party brass are not forcing him out in favour of a more pliant caucus member. F*ck, this is really pissing me off.

No, someone posted his letter at babble, and basically he's retiring after 25 years.
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Re: Election 2011?
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2010, 08:07:49 PM »
Iggy was interviewed on P&P, and basically he says, in response to the question of 'are you ready for an election?' he says "bring it on". Coincidentally, today's EKOS poll has the Libs far behind the Cons. Roughly 65% of the polls are for a party other than the Conservatives, but that Opposition vote is split four ways - and for the first time ever, the Greens did well in polling, especially with the 'under 40' crowd. If this poll prevails - unlikely - then Harper is back with another minority - and the Bloc would have 55 - 60 seats. At least, according to the EKOS guy on P&P.

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Re: Election 2011?
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2010, 08:09:16 PM »
I'd much rather the Bloc as official opposition in a minority government than the Liberals.
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Re: Election 2011?
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2010, 08:10:25 PM »
I'd much rather the Bloc as official opposition in a minority government than the Liberals.

So would I. Weren't the BQ the Official Opposition once?
 
ETA: Looking at the math, if the BQ were the Official Opposition at say 55 seats, then that puts the Libs at a lower seat count, and there's no way in my lifetime we will see the NDP get more seats than the Liberals, so the math in this case - unless the Greens get quite a few seats, also highly unlikely I think, gives the Conservatives quite a majority. Be careful what you wish for!
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Re: Election 2011?
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2010, 08:11:40 PM »
Yes. I think it was when Bouchard was leader and the Liberals first term with a majority under Chretien.
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Re: Election 2011?
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2010, 08:28:02 PM »
I think that kind of thing happens only if one of the two biggies -- in that case, the PCs -- completely collapses, which the PCs did after Mulroney left and Campbell came in.

I don't see the Liberals doing that kind of collapse, not right now.
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Re: Election 2011?
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2010, 08:53:05 PM »
The fix was in last time, when we were told we really wanted an election when we didn't. And then we did, Iggy said we didn't. And now I don't want one, because absolutely nothing is going to change, except for a few seats here and there, certainly nothing to call a ginormous expense for Canadians.  :confused

Nothing sticks to this gov, they can even thumb their noses at the Charter now.
No party is calling for Reform, electorally or democratically, maybe because they want to thumb their noses at the Charter too. I'm sick of them telling me what I want, when we are telling them what we want, and they purposely go  :lalala
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Re: Election 2011?
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2010, 09:07:52 PM »
The key question is: Whose tune is Iggy dancing to?
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Re: Election 2011?
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2010, 10:37:54 PM »
Iggy is a brilliant gift to Harper. But you're right, who purchased that gift?
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Re: Election 2011?
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2010, 12:46:09 AM »
Well when you guys figure that out let us know. Meantime does anyone know what the F this means: statement from Iggy :

“The Liberal appeal is: we’re the people who put that granite under your   feet,” he said. “The message is as persuasive now as it ever was – in   fact, more so, because that middle class is under a lot of pressure.”

Granite doesn't turn into Diamonds, no matter how much pressure it is under, so like what the hell does it mean?

Okay, let's all try it - I have granite under my feet and the Liberals put it there.

Did that help you, and did you find it *appealing*? It sure as fcuk didn't help me.  :confused

That quotes comes from HERE

P.S. Dear Iggy, Please do not use the word 'cleavages' to describe any difference between the Liberals and the Cons.
Truly Yours. P.P.S. If your going to come out and say you will never privatize any part of Health Care, just say so.
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Re: Election 2011?
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2010, 08:53:04 AM »
Well when you guys figure that out let us know. Meantime does anyone know what the F this means: statement from Iggy :

“The Liberal appeal is: we’re the people who put that granite under your   feet,” he said. “The message is as persuasive now as it ever was – in   fact, more so, because that middle class is under a lot of pressure.”

Sounds to me like the Libs are taking credit for the fact we have an infrastructure in this country - roads, and whatnot.

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Re: Election 2011?
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2010, 09:13:58 AM »
Similar rhetorical puzzlement yesterday, except it went the other way. Impolitical tweeted this strange line from John Ivison about Iggy:

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"Ignatieff takes the sunny outlook of a girl who mistakes a bulge for a curve"

She and I and another tweep made fun of it for a bit, and then she tweeted that the NaPo had cut that line from the story! Impolitical's original tweet:

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Ivison, u lost me w/ this one: "Ignatieff takes the sunny outlook of a girl who mistakes a bulge for a curve" http://ow.ly/3qzoR #wtf

 

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