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Re: Election 2011?
« Reply #30 on: December 19, 2010, 11:36:57 AM »
I agree entirely with you pogge.  In the past in Calgary people have tried and failed to elect a rightwing slate to city council.  I think Ric McIver was part of that, but maybe the only one to get elected.  He was not pushing a slate this time, though with Harper behind him I dare say he would have been working to drag the Council to the right.
 
Nenshi seems to be a good consensus builder, and I think his style of governance is much better for the people he's governing than the provincial and federal styles of elected dictatorship.
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Re: Election 2011?
« Reply #31 on: December 19, 2010, 11:50:09 AM »
In sensible, practical terms, I agree with you both, HS and pogge, but I feel I should raise the competing tension that always keeps lefties uncomfortable with this argument, and I suspect I will have lagatta's support here.

If you really are a socialist (actually, what I am is a believer in democracy who thinks that if we got democracy right, we'd already be at socialism, but let that go), then nice social-democratic management of the worst problems while never actually quite getting things restructured drives you bananas.

I recognize that we are a looonnnng way from getting things restructured, and maybe nice social-dem management of the very worst stuff is the best we can do for now. But in my experience, the people who lead that kind of thinking always start to move slowly, slowly, towards the right, towards respectability at least and maybe towards the temptations of power. They lose the sense that there's anything bigger to do. Jack is a still-bearable example. Bob Rae is bitter proof.

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Re: Election 2011?
« Reply #32 on: December 19, 2010, 12:05:03 PM »
I guess I don't know what you mean by "restructuring", skdadl.  The thing is that the people who want to bring party politics to municipal governments tend to be rightwingers; Andrew Coyne, etc.  I think it would be dangerous to let them have their way, since they seem to be better election campaigners.
 
Further to the Calgary situation, it was the Progressive Group for Independent Business which pushed a slate once, including McIver, and since then it just endorses rightwingers in municipal elections and other levels of government, a few of whom do get elected.  It is anything but "Progressive" and is run by Craig Chandler (gag).
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Group_for_Independent_Business
 
djkelly's column from over a year ago has some interesting comments about Nenshi, Chandler, etc.  Kelly almost ran for election this year but decided not to in the end.
 
http://djkelly.ca/2009/08/someone-cant-do-basic-math/
 
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« Reply #33 on: December 19, 2010, 12:12:47 PM »
Well yes, of course I agree with skdadl there, in practical terms too, as when social democrats carry out rightwing policies voters often shift over to "real" right-wingers: Examples: Bob Rae, Gerhard Schröder, Toady Blair  - I think that by the time Brown took over the gig was up - he actually had some better policy ideas, but was too tarred with wars for oil (bad pun?) to rally Labour voters.

The unsolvable problem is that the only two social democratic leaders in the House are Layton ... and Gilles Duceppe. Sure, the Bloc has some deformations from the old alliance with nationalist Tories, but most of the latter have left the caucus. The NDP is a little better on Afghanistan, the Bloc on Palestine...

And even if there were an agreement not to mention the CONSTITUTION (is Wente listening?) that would never fly, even among some NDP supporters.
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« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2010, 08:57:49 AM »
Not all municipal party politics supporters are right wing.  I am in favour of it to cut down on corruption.  In a party system you have to buy the leader or the whole party.  While not impossible (cf Mulrooney) it tends to be expensive and risky.


In the absence of parties you get Tom Jakobek.


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« Reply #35 on: December 20, 2010, 09:38:39 AM »
I admire Jack and I like him but so far he's not demonstrated the type of leadership required to move the NDP into a stronger position in the House of Commons.
 
I am pinning my hopes on Peggy Nash.  Hopefully the timing of her election to Parliament will work to her benefit, the party's and ours.

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« Reply #36 on: December 20, 2010, 10:30:16 AM »
There is more on Nash at the Wikipedia page about her: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peggy_Nash Too bad she wasn't re-elected.

I've been hearing some ghastly things about non-approval of a boost in pension benefits - not very clear on the issue. http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/article/909077--pension-reform-it-s-no-time-for-cold-feet No question but that these are woefully inadequate and for many workers it is impossible to save a significant amount for retirement. Though perhaps that should be its own thread.
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Re: Election 2011?
« Reply #37 on: December 20, 2010, 12:31:29 PM »
I have often walked by Tom Jakobek's house (it's in the neighbourhood of the library where the crossbow shooting happened). It's kind of what you'd expect.

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Re: Election 2011?
« Reply #38 on: December 20, 2010, 12:39:39 PM »
It's a shame, but I don't think that Nash can win against Kennedy. And Parkdale is the kind of riding you don't switch from easily -- ie, her neighbourhood loyalties would be very high.

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Re: Election 2011?
« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2011, 01:00:09 AM »
Van Sun makes pirate of Harpo

I haven't read the article, don't even care about it. But check out the 'Play' button on the video. It makes Harpo into a pirate by placing it bullseye right over his right eye.  Rilly. Check the dimensions.  :piratedance
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Re: Election 2011?
« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2011, 01:13:47 PM »
Just saw on FB that it was reported on Kathleen Petty's CBC Radio show this morning that Flaherty is not going to go along with the demand by Gilles Duceppe to compensate Quebec by $2.1 billion for the HST. Does this mean an election is more likely?
 
 
ETA: Ducepppe is clever enough to use this issue to shut the Cons completely out of Quebec if an election is called this spring. :applause

 
ETA: I suspect internal Conservative polling shows the Cons even further ahead than they are in this week's EKOS poll (Cons 34%, Libs 27%, NDP 14%), even without support in Quebec.  Maybe even in majority territory?  (the Cons are aggressively courting Ontario - I guess to make up for losing support in Quebec)
 
ETA: Just had a thought - the federal Liberals could say in their election platform they will do what the Cons said they will not do - compensate Quebec for the HST as Duceppe is demanding. That would have the impact of shutting the Cons out of Quebec for sure, maybe give the Libs an extra seat or two, and keep Harper away from a majority.  I hope someone talks to Iggy about this idea.
 
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Re: Election 2011?
« Reply #41 on: March 20, 2011, 05:53:59 PM »
Jason Kenney, a quote from the past that for some reason (any is good enough, mind) is being dug up today:

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“…we’d love to run against pretty much any of [the Liberal leadership candidates]. I can’ see Gerard Kennedy or Michael Ignatieff or Bob Rae or Stephane Dion — all smart, decent people — selling with a forty-yeard-old plumber in Peterborough who makes forty grand. The spectrum o ffirst-tier leadership candidates there reads like the perfect list of attendees at a cocktail party in gthe Annex or Cabbagetown. It’s not Main Street. It’s not the kind of slate that can connect with a broad middle-class constituency.

We were joking this morning. What’s Ignatieff’s wife’s name again? [Ignatieff is married to Zsuzsanna] Exactly. So in the next election it’s Steve and Laureen vs. Count Michael and What’s-Her-Name. It’s almost a dream for us.”


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« Reply #42 on: March 20, 2011, 06:09:22 PM »
Any bets on May 9 as E-Day?
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Re: Election 2011?
« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2011, 08:41:50 PM »
And what do you all expect from an E 2011? Remarkable changes. Or a tax hike to cover it? Think Canadians are any more ready to vote a party in vs voting the regime out? Have Canadians had time to digest the fact the Harper Regime is corrupt and sleazy? Ha! None of the above, Canadians will vote a party out as they always do, it's the only choice they are ever given. And that doesn't look likely. There are so many variables, I hope all the parties support the budget, then let the chips fall over ethics.
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Re: Election 2011?
« Reply #44 on: March 21, 2011, 12:28:07 AM »
I expect to work my ass off on this campaign.

I expect an NDP Member of Parliament from Palliser and from Saskatoon-Rosetown-Biggar, nothing less.

I expect that unless something changes drastically in the favour of the NDP that this will be Layton's last election.

I expect to see some surprises, particularly where long-time Cons are stepping down.

I expect everyone to remember that it ain't over til the fat lady sings.  And I'm not yet singing!
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