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Re: Libya
« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2011, 07:35:22 PM »
Will find the resolution later -- there's a link. But the speeches made it clear that the UNSC was approving action from the Arab League of whatever kind they determined necessary -- something like that, open-ended.

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« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2011, 07:42:48 PM »
Mistake #1. This could be a clusterfcuk.

To add - The United States is also seeking UN authorization for other steps under consideration, including diverting frozen Gadhafi assets to Libyan rebels for buying weapons and tightening a Libyan arms embargo.

Great, arm the rebels who may go into the civilian population, with Gadaffi's mercs following and killing them all. What could go wrong?
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« Reply #32 on: March 17, 2011, 08:07:20 PM »
CNN actually reported earlier today that Gadafi's sons had informed Wolf Blitzer via phone that Gadafi had changed tactics and was sending anti-terrorist squads and mercenaries into the cities with instructions to kill the terrorists and anyone sheltering them.

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« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2011, 09:20:30 PM »
This Al Jazeera post has excerpts from the draft resolution.

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Re: Libya
« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2011, 09:25:42 PM »
And we're in, whether we like it or not:
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The Canadian government is dispatching six CF-18 fighter jets to help enforce the United Nations’ no-fly zone above Libya, The Globe and Mail has learned.

The aircraft could leave as early as Friday to join the assembling international force and will be based out of southern Europe.

About 120 to 200 support staff will be sent to help them.

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« Reply #35 on: March 17, 2011, 10:12:38 PM »
How long before they use this to justify the F-35 purchase?
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Re: Libya
« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2011, 07:09:08 AM »
How long before they use this to justify the F-35 purchase?
What time is it now?

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« Reply #37 on: March 18, 2011, 01:25:21 PM »
How long before they use this to justify the F-35 purchase?

Methinks that what is needed right now in Libya is a non-stealth fighter .... something to fly over possible targets and show to them that they will get the snot blown out of them if the dare use the words bomb and plane in the same sentence. As for trying to shoot down a NATO/UN fighter - I would refer them to Slobodan Milosevic. (OOPs - he died in his cell.)
 
Given the above - I must also point out that I am against armed intervention any where - as for Libya, non-violent means of unseating Qaddafi as not even been considered, let alone tried.   
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Re: Libya
« Reply #38 on: March 18, 2011, 10:33:31 PM »
I heard Wesley Cklark blithely go on today about how the Resolution does not at all preclude boots on the ground; as in if needed, not an occupation the way it's written up.
Fark, I have no idea, but fer sure when it comes to Nato and the UN 'somehow' all constitutional requirements are somehow exempt.  ::)   And this is not a humanitarian effort by a long shot, was planned days/weeks before the final resolution. We're talking sweet light crude here and global financial markets.
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Re: Libya
« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2011, 04:51:58 PM »
CBC radio just reported that first France and then the US have hit targets in Libya.
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Re: Libya
« Reply #40 on: March 19, 2011, 05:15:38 PM »
Just saw a tweet that a French plane has been shot down, but Twitter is going so fast and things are hard to verify.

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Re: Libya
« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2011, 05:27:40 PM »
There's a photo of a jet that's been shot down, but it doesn't say whose jet; could be a Libyan one, perhaps, or French.
 
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/03/19/libya-bombing.html
 
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« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2011, 06:36:00 PM »
Egypt and Libya certainly are being treated differently.  :mad2

A very long but powerful opinion piece from wsws.org:

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The World Socialist Web Site categorically opposes any military intervention in Libya. The drive toward war, which was given the green light by the UN Security Council on Thursday, has nothing to do with the humanitarian pretexts offered up by the major powers. Rather, it represents the violent imperialist subjugation of a former colony.
The bombing of Libya by French, British and American planes will not protect human life, but will transform the country into a battlefield with thousands of innocent victims. This is an imperialist war. Libya is an oppressed, former colonial country. The WSWS rejects fundamentally and in all circumstances military attacks by imperialist powers on such countries.
Moreover, this war will take place without any democratic legitimacy. There is not the slightest indication that it is supported by the populations of the countries involved. Once again, huge sums are being spent on a war even as the same governments declare there is no money for social programs.
Those who say a military attack on Gaddafi’s bases would bolster a democratic opposition movement against a bloody dictatorship must answer the following question: Why are the great powers not applying the same criteria in Afghanistan and Pakistan, where the regimes they back employ brutal violence against any opposition? And what of Bahrain, headquarters of the US Fifth Fleet, where Sheikh al Khalifa has shot down unarmed protesters with Saudi support? What about Gaza, where these same powers stand by as the Israelis massacre Palestinians? What about Yemen, where the Western-backed President Ali Abdullah Saleh on Friday shot dead some 50 protesters?
Not a single government or newspaper that supports a military strike against Libya has taken the trouble to explain these glaring contradictions. However, the real target of the violent action against Libya is clear, if one considers the logic of recent events.
It is only two months since the Tunisian ruler, Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, was overthrown in a popular uprising. One month later, he was followed by Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. As a result, the Western powers have lost two of their key allies in the region.
As with Gaddafi himself, the US and Europe had collaborated closely with these dictators until the last minute. France, which is now shouting the loudest for military action against Libya, even offered Ben Ali police assistance when the uprising against him was in full swing.
Only a few weeks later, the great powers are preparing a military intervention in North Africa. Coincidence? Only someone who is politically blind can fail to see the relationship between these events.
The domestic opposition to Gaddafi, a brutal tyrant and a close ally of the Western powers, may initially have expressed real grievances of the Libyan people. But in the underdeveloped desert state of Libya, forces quickly materialized that were ready to do the dirty work of the great powers. They were to be found in the figures making up the so-called National Transitional Council, who not only guaranteed international oil companies unhindered exploitation of the country’s mineral wealth, but also called for the bombing of their own country...

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Re: Libya
« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2011, 10:38:18 PM »
As usual, wsws gets it right.

Well the shock and AWE has begun with the U.S. warships firing off 120 Tomahawk missiles at targets inside Libya. No one knows yet how many dead or wounded, but so far civilian areas have been hit. Obama's in Brazil securing oil but is making statements. Obama termed the attacks a “limited military action” officially, but the massive series of strikes suggests the administration is already going far beyond the “no-fly zone” mandate and is well on its way to demanding Iraq-style regime change. Meantime we're suppose to not see the stab in the heart of four autocracies supporting a military operation for the benefit of the same kind of protesters who want justice, dignity and democracy in their own backyards; namely -  Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar and Jordan, they continue to get away with murder.  Oy vey, the hypocrisy is mind boggling. Full scale regime change is underway. 
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Re: Libya
« Reply #44 on: March 20, 2011, 12:47:28 AM »
Hypocrisy has been the mandate since we entered the 21st Century. We were more naive when it came to the former soviet union last one.

The freaking no fly zone mandate makes it sound like sheer patrolling when in fact those jets are shooting down other planes and mowing down land targets. It's absolutely disgusting. And those Libyans who welcomed this intervention are US toadies in my view. The genuine rebellions did not ask for foreign intervention just for respect.
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