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Croghan27

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Re: Japan: huge earthquake, tsunamis, Asia-Pacific repercussions
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2011, 03:52:36 PM »
I read about that too in another magazine, Toe ... but do not worry - tonight when you 'spring forward' it will equal a billion years of earthquakes messing about with day lengths.
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Re: Japan: huge earthquake, tsunamis, Asia-Pacific repercussions
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2011, 04:01:39 PM »
- tonight when you 'spring forward'

That's frakking TONIGHT?  :tantrum
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Re: Japan: huge earthquake, tsunamis, Asia-Pacific repercussions
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2011, 04:07:22 PM »
Yup, tonight.
 
Don't worry about the axis shifting, that happens sometimes with earthquakes, but it's teeny, a few centimetres, so should not have an effect on things.
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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2011, 04:13:17 PM »
Good tech info here re stabilizing the reactors.
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Re: Japan: huge earthquake, tsunamis, Asia-Pacific repercussions
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2011, 05:53:01 PM »
CNN had a university specialist (PU scientist) say the aftershocks could continue for over a year. Another specialist (city planner) said it will take over 8 years to rebuild most of the infrastructure (just roads, tunnels, and bridges - buildings will take much longer), but the cost is beyond anyone's comprehension today.
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« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2011, 11:51:41 AM »
I couldn't believe I actually heard this during the 7:00 am newscast:

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The massive earthquake that shook Japan and triggered a huge tsunami appears to have shifted the Earth on its axis and moved an island of Japan, a media report said on Saturday.
Kenneth Hudnut, a geophysicist at the US Geological Survey, told CNN: "At this point, we know that one GPS station moved (8 feet), and we have seen a map from GSI (Geospatial Information Authority) in Japan showing the pattern of shift over a large area is consistent with about that much shift of the land mass."
Reports from an Italian institute estimated that Japan earthquake shifted Earth on its axis by as much as 4 inches, CNN said...

Japan quake shifted Earth 4 inches on its axis
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Re: Japan: huge earthquake, tsunamis, Asia-Pacific repercussions
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2011, 12:38:56 PM »
I know sparks, I'm still gobsmacked (see my post below). Everyone says no prob, no worries, but I am wondering about an accumulated effect, I mean there's got to be one.

And that vortex spiral still freaks me out, it's like a giant drain. We see the cracks on earth but what's going on under the seabed.

Satellite photo CNN tho.

This ship, Chikyu was built to bore down right into the earth's mantle Maybe they should stop with these wells to hell.

Great drawing of just how deep that drill can go

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Re: Japan: huge earthquake, tsunamis, Asia-Pacific repercussions
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2011, 12:48:29 PM »
I had a dream last night of a fissure opening right to the earth's molten core, and seawater rushed in - and the consequences were that a) worldwide sea levels went down a bit, and b) humankind found a way to harness the ensuing steam rising from when the water met the molten core - thus proving a massive source of energy for all humankind. The dream ended before exploring whether all that steam/vaporization was potentially a problem with regard to global warming.  :o

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« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2011, 07:40:18 PM »
That's quite the dream!

This story from NIRS is not dreamlike, not at all!  More like a nightmare!
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Nuclear Crisis in Japan

BREAKING NEWS. Fact sheet on Fukushima reactors and aftermath of Japan earthquake. Updated 2:30 pm, Sunday, March 13. Core is uncovered at Unit 3; Tokyo Electric Power calls it "a considerably serious situation."
There are currently 23 General Electric Mark I reactors in the U.S.--the design that exploded at Fukushima. A top Atomic Energy Commission official first proposed banning this design nearly 40 years ago. List/fact sheet. Updated, includes license renewal information.
Link to video of press conference in Japan by Citizens' Nuclear Information Center (in Japanese with English translation), March 13, 2011.
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Re: Japan: huge earthquake, tsunamis, Asia-Pacific repercussions
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2011, 08:03:55 PM »
Very long ongoing thread on the issue

http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/12/japan-nuclear-earthquake/

My main fear is that this will turn into a renewed public recommitment to fossil fuels, which is to me a worse prospect than the danger from these reactors.

Energy demands are only going to rise and without nukes, the next easiest place for people to go is coal, etc.

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« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2011, 09:05:59 PM »
Sorry, but I'm not going to buy into fear-based arguments.

Here's Rachel Maddow.  Her explanation of it all is good and Edwin Lyman from the Union of Concerned Scientists is excellent.
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Re: Japan: huge earthquake, tsunamis, Asia-Pacific repercussions
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2011, 09:26:07 PM »
Coal fires kill people -- that's all there is to it.

It has long amused me that a semi-posh line of outerwear is called London Fog. I'm repeating self, but w/i my lifetime, London fog was famous for killing people, and coal fires were the reason.

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Re: Japan: huge earthquake, tsunamis, Asia-Pacific repercussions
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2011, 09:35:39 PM »
One of the science blogs I follow has a post for people concerned about the reactors, and links to more detail:
 
http://rabett.blogspot.com/2011/03/for.html
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« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2011, 09:42:29 PM »
Excerpt of an email update from NIRS:

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Sunday, March 13, 2011, 6:30 pm
 
 Dear Friends,
 
 The nuclear crisis in Japan has taken a turn for the worse this afternoon, as Tokyo Electric Power (Tepco) has reported that six to ten feet of the core of its Fukushima Daiichi Unit 3 reactor has been uncovered for a considerable period of time despite efforts to pump seawater into the reactor. Moreover, Tepco says it believes water may be leaking and preventing the water from covering the core. According to a translation of a Tepco statement by our Japanese colleagues, "The fuel's integrity has been considerably compromised. We are assessing a considerably serious situation." This unit uses plutonium-based MOX (mixed-oxide) fuel; accident consequences from a reactor that uses MOX fuel are even higher than for a more traditional uranium-fueled reactor.
 
 At this point it is clear there has been some fuel melting at Fukushima Daiichi, probably at both Units 1 and 3. What we don't know yet is whether that will continue or whether utility workers will be successful at preventing any further melting. We hope they are successful and wish them our best. They are working under intolerable conditions and getting exposed to high levels of radiation in their ongoing effort to prevent a broader disaster. We believe that a catastrophic accident still can be prevented.
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