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Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Berlynn on January 02, 2007, 06:02:01 PM
I can't believe this (http://jasoncherniak.blogspot.com/2007/01/say-no-to-10-minimum-wage.html) shit!  Not an iota of heart towards low-income earners and their children.  Nope.  It's the almighty god of economics that must rule.  Fuckin' jerk!  :explode

Yes, I've blogged my response! (http://politicsnpoetry.wordpress.com/2007/01/02/only-sexist-pigs-say-no-to-a-10-minimum-wage/)
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: kuri on January 02, 2007, 06:08:29 PM
Well that's par for the course for him, I think. I'm actually glad he's so open about his right-wing ideology. Next time anyone asks me why they should vote NDP when a Liberal vote will get a Con out of power, I'll get them to read Cherniak and then ask, "What's the difference?"

(Yes, I know there are a few Liberals left of Cherniak. I just don't have any faith that those Liberals will ever be in any position to influence policy in Canada.)
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: skdadl on January 02, 2007, 06:11:01 PM
Please note: This response was not sent from my wireless Blackberry.   :wink:

Jason Cerniak is more or less the Liberal Party's version of Ezra Levant. I notice that Eugene at Le Revue Gauche and Robert at My Blahg are already taking him apart as well, so let's keep the pressure on.

The guy seems to be impervious, though. You are quite right to sense a fathomless presumption of entitlement, Berlynn.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: kuri on January 02, 2007, 06:12:43 PM
Quote from: skdadl
Please note: This response was not sent from my wireless Blackberry.   :wink:


 :rotfl:
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: skdadl on January 02, 2007, 06:14:26 PM
Hell, kuri: I wish I could claim credit, but liberal catnip already pulled that one on him once.

It deserves to be a classic, though, doesn't it?
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: lagatta on January 02, 2007, 06:16:17 PM
Vile. And why does this little shit assume that minimum-wage workers have some kind of guarantee of 40 hours a week. Retail, restaurant and services are notoriously unsteady.

It is also very insulting to suggest to people who want to work that some kind of social assistance is the solution to their problems.

And why does he assume that students who live at home are working only for luxuries?

He should be forced to do it for a year, with no help from mummy, daddy or his political godfathers.
Title: Re: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: GDKitty on January 02, 2007, 06:42:57 PM
Quote from: Berlynn
I can't believe this (http://jasoncherniak.blogspot.com/2007/01/say-no-to-10-minimum-wage.html) shit!  Not an iota of heart towards low-income earners and their children.  Nope.  It's the almighty god of economics that must rule.  Fuckin' jerk!  
Yes, I've blogged my response! (http://politicsnpoetry.wordpress.com/2007/01/02/only-sexist-pigs-say-no-to-a-10-minimum-wage/)

Way to go, Berlynn!  I've commented (a few times...including one goof I made...sorry!).
I just came home from work and noticed your posts (and the other responses at PB, later on).
I wonder if that guy's still a-lawyering. How can he write such things?
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Berlynn on January 02, 2007, 07:55:05 PM
Well, I just haven't been so spittin' mad in a long time!  I had to do something and blogging it seemed the best way to reach a few.  Just bipped to the PB page and see you've all been there to vote for it!  Ah, shucks. :)
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: GDKitty on January 02, 2007, 08:23:14 PM
Quote from: Berlynn
Just bipped to the PB page and see you've all been there to vote for it!  Ah, shucks. :)

I wouldn't know anything about that. :spy:
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: on January 02, 2007, 08:34:31 PM
I searched for this PB (whatever that is!) voting page, and couldn't find it. JC sounds too simple-minded and inexperienced. Doesn't sound like he understands a heck of a lot about income vs. expenses, and he hasn't bothered to research any stats on who lives on minimum income and the number of their dependants, if any. He is mouthing off an ill-thought out solution ('reasonable' increases in minimum wage) without presenting any facts or numbers as to why his solution is better than anything else, or even what a 'reasonable' increase.
Title: feminist news
Post by: faith on January 02, 2007, 08:50:41 PM
I just don't get the economics of these guys, their reasoning doesn't make any sense. Why would working families be expected to look to the government to institute some kind of programme that would take care of their needs? When he says that if someone was a parent they would have access to government programmes, I see red.
Rather than have business just pay a fair wage we will create another welfare programme so that "business" can be off the hook. Bigger government = bad ; unless it's supporting business, then it's sound financial planning.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: gunnar gunnarson on January 02, 2007, 09:14:46 PM
It's not about research, reason or reality with these puffed-up little pishers.  It's about desperately sucking ass and making sure everyone knows how important and connected they are.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: sparqui on January 02, 2007, 09:42:18 PM
The economic sparring is really quite boring. But for sure, you can't get any more pro-business than that drivel.

Nice responses you blogging warriors  :arr!:  :piratedance  :piratepost
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Toedancer on January 02, 2007, 10:38:48 PM
Quote from: gunnar gunnarson
It's not about research, reason or reality with these puffed-up little pishers.  It's about desperately sucking ass and making sure everyone knows how important and connected they are.


Yeah for sure Gunnar. I think my 'reflex' is off or something. Such twaddle.
But yay for the blogger anti-reactionaries! Great posts you people.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Berlynn on January 03, 2007, 12:08:12 AM
Quote from: ephemeral
I searched for this PB (whatever that is!) voting page, and couldn't find it.


Eph, try this link (http://www.progressivebloggers.ca/) and scroll down the page until you see it.  Vote for any others that you find worthy along the way (such as A.R.'s) by clicking in the box beside the word, vote.  

I've been trying to remember to check the site daily, but the holly daze has taken its toll on my time online.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: skdadl on January 03, 2007, 04:34:40 AM
Quote from: ephemeral
JC sounds too simple-minded and inexperienced. Doesn't sound like he understands a heck of a lot about income vs. expenses, and he hasn't bothered to research any stats on who lives on minimum income and the number of their dependants, if any. He is mouthing off an ill-thought out solution ('reasonable' increases in minimum wage) without presenting any facts or numbers as to why his solution is better than anything else, or even what a 'reasonable' increase.

Very acute of you, eph. And looky here: Cherniak confirms eph's analysis in his own words, in a comment at Cowboys for Social Responsibility: (http://cowboysforsocialresponsibility.blogspot.com/2007/01/hitting-wasp-nest-with-stick.html)

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In your analysis, you forget the extra money that people in that situation receive through different government credits. You also miss that $800 is only if you choose to live right downtown in Toronto on your own. It is possible to have much lower rent if you share with somebody.

Finally, I am curious to know how many people are currently living on minimum wage. We are talking about this hypothetical person who might not even exist.


When I first read that, I just gaped. I had to read it over and over to be sure it said what it says. To me, it says, "I wrote a blogpost without knowing the first thing about the topic I was writing to." And that further says, "I don't think or work hard because I don't have to. I'm Jason Cherniak and you're not."

And that's what you're reading when you read Cherniak: a spoiled little boy (note: the species comes in all ages, and sometimes, paradoxically, also seems to have been born middle-aged).

I am finding this discussion anxiety-inducing just generally, since I live on very little myself and with non-stop financial anxieties, as I know others here do too. It all leaves me feeling quite disoriented and, well, marginal.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: skdadl on January 03, 2007, 08:54:20 AM
And he rabbits on, here. (http://jasoncherniak.blogspot.com/2007/01/help-but-not-with-10-minimum-wage.html)

Last night, the guy admitted that he doesn't know what the stats are, that he was talking through a remote part of his anatomy in the first place, and today he comes back and challenges others to do the work for him on the "demographics" that he admits he hasn't bothered to look up himself?

Ye gods and little fishes. This is getting Freudian.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: lagatta on January 03, 2007, 09:50:44 AM
CCAP reminds us that in a few hours, top CEOs will have earned what minimum-wage earners earn in a year: http://www.policyalternatives.ca/News/2 ... a=F4FB3E9D (http://www.policyalternatives.ca/News/2007/01/PressRelease1523/index.cfm?pa=F4FB3E9D)

This is from a larger project on the Growing Gap in compensation.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: anne cameron on January 03, 2007, 10:26:17 AM
I've been told recently by someone who means nothing at all to me one way or the other, that I use "too many" English terms in my speech and writing.  I think the objection came when I called Corby's wild pals her "rellies".  Tsk Tsk.

But then I encounter this twit and..."git" comes to mind as does "prat" and "Sod"....

On this island we'd probably say "arstle" or "arsletart" or "lugan"

Obvious gits like Cherniak don't worry me.  It's the hidden dregs, the ones who make it possible for this kind of classist crap to be published and disseminated.  They're the same septage who make sure so many damned good writers never get publication or distribution.

Bad 'cess to them.  Verra bad 'cess.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: lagatta on January 03, 2007, 10:32:00 AM
anne, I'm glad you don't worry about using colourful expressions from the other side of the pond, whether they are English, Scots or Irish. Welsh?

Your terms bear absolutely zero relation to the pretentious prattling of prats such as Conrad and Babs.

The annals of the workers' movement are littered with such screeds by those who prefer dabs of charity to justice.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Boom Boom on January 03, 2007, 10:34:18 AM
"Cherniak was the Stéphane Dion Blog Campaign Co-Chair and sat on the Internet Task Force of the Liberal Renewal Commission."

Yuck. :pukey:
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Berlynn on January 03, 2007, 10:41:54 AM
With all due respect, Anne, gits like JC worry me.  They're lazy thinkers, and they talk a lot.  They're young men becoming old boys.  And they bug the piss outta me!
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: skdadl on January 03, 2007, 11:03:27 AM
Here, Robert at My Blahg (http://myblahg.com/?p=1716) does the numbers for tax cuts vs rise in minimum wage:

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So reducing a minimum wage worker’s tax burden to zero would put less than $1,632 in their pocket while raising the minimum wage to $10/hour would put at least an additional $3,148 in their pocket; double what the tax cut would. I think it’s pretty obvious which one is the better deal.

It would also, as a bonus, put up to an additional $852 into government revenues that could then be spent on social programs that help all Canadians.


Well done, Robert.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Berlynn on January 03, 2007, 11:45:56 AM
And, as I said to Robert, good work, work that lazy-a$$ed Cherniak should've done before he spewed his tripe!

Interestingly, said lazy a$$ will not approve my comments, or has not as of yet.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: lagatta on January 03, 2007, 11:59:06 AM
True, but due to bracket creep there are a lot of people under the poverty line who are paying income tax. That IS a problem, and not just for neoliberals.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Debra on January 03, 2007, 03:38:06 PM
J.C. reports upon us (http://jasoncherniak.blogspot.com/2007/01/online-ndp-exposed.html). Even this he has not researched out but simply jumped to his own conclusions.

I propose we take up a fund raising campaign to buy the poor dear a pair of crutches, what with all this jumping to conclusions he is sure to need them.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: fern hill on January 03, 2007, 03:49:11 PM
Hee. Dolt. What makes him think this is an NDP site? He'd better clean up his research act, if he wants anyone to take him at all seriously. I mean, really.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: skdadl on January 03, 2007, 03:53:34 PM
JC is totally, utterly incapable of imagining that anyone would do politics without being in an electoral party and using it to climb ladders.

He just cannot and will not think outside that box. Sad, really.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: on January 03, 2007, 04:10:56 PM
NDP site?? Man, he really likes to write about things he knows next to nothing about.

I seriously think it would be futile to bother getting into a 'civil debate' with JC. He has convinced himself how right he is without even having done any research; heck, he even questions the very existence of someone living on minimum wage. When I read that part skdadl highlighted earlier, I thought, "what the heck? What on earth does he mean?? Does he know what he's talking about, or realize what a stupid thing he just said?" He has formed strong opinions with very litte information, he wants everyone else to do his research for him to convince him otherwise (how lazy can people get?!), and I suspect he is more interested in proving he is right rather than learning anything new. What a pompous ignoramus.

His generalized statements about what governments are really for, and what they are not for are unbelievably simplistic, naive and hilarious. Just like his opinion that Bread and Roses is now an NDP site.  :roll:
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: skdadl on January 03, 2007, 04:23:00 PM
God. I only just realized -- that is a completely new post of JC's.

A whole post about us!!!   :shock:

And he is advising "reporters" to come and read us!!!   :shock:

And he wants the NDP to control us!!!  

 :rotfl:

And look: he's got a whole 8 votes on PB already. I say ... VOTE 'IM UP, GRILS!  

Thanks, Jason. Thanks so much.  :lol:
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Robert McClelland on January 03, 2007, 04:32:44 PM
Ahem! As socalled ringleader of the eNDP it's apparently my task to order you shrieking harpies to clean up your act before you make poor Chernyuk cry.  :)
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: 'lance on January 03, 2007, 04:36:36 PM
Quote from: skdadl
God. I only just realized -- that is a completely new post of JC's.

A whole post about us!!!   :shock:

And he is advising "reporters" to come and read us!!!   :shock:

And he wants the NDP to control us!!!  

 :rotfl:


Hilarious, indeed. Wotta pompous ass.

(I doubt anyone would be confused, but just in case: the "lance" posting on that page is not I; I am not he).
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: skdadl on January 03, 2007, 04:37:59 PM
Vote for it, Robert -- please vote for it. A vote for Cherniak is a vote for our modest li'l abode.

He can call in "reporters." He can call in the whole of the NDP. He is all powerful.

We're gonna be no-to-ri-ous! Yes!  :D
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Toedancer on January 03, 2007, 04:40:49 PM
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Online NDP exposed


How presumptious is that? Ye gads don't label me like that, I hate it!

Do NDP's wack penguins?
Do NDP's spot Haggis?

A little research please.

It's Not Fair!
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: anne cameron on January 03, 2007, 04:48:20 PM
You see, when he was about four his mom finally got him to pee in the toilet instead of his pants.  And then she said "Oh, such a clever boy!", and gave him three red smarties.  After the smarties were gone he licked his fingers and remembered "Oh, such a clever boy!" and realized that somehow the "clever boy" was linked to the smarties...

now he just pisses all over everything because each time he does he hears mommy saying ...

but when the smarties don't magically appear it puts him in a sulk and a pout.

Maybe if we had an address to which to send packages of smarties the little twerp would take a time out.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: kuri on January 03, 2007, 04:48:52 PM
Yeah, right, Cherniak. :roll: This forum is an 'NDP site' and the new 'NDP logo' is a bloody dancing bunny. That's why we have several threads criticizing the NDP, too. 'Cause this is so obviously an official NDP site that the party controls.

Does Cherniak understand the concept non-partisan? Better yet, non-partisan left?
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Debra on January 03, 2007, 04:51:30 PM
Come on...the dancing bunnies put the PARTAY in NDP

 :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: skdadl on January 03, 2007, 04:52:29 PM
Great minds, Debra.   :wink:

 :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: on January 03, 2007, 05:02:34 PM
Quote from: Berlynn
Eph, try this link (http://www.progressivebloggers.ca/) and scroll down the page until you see it.  Vote for any others that you find worthy along the way (such as A.R.'s) by clicking in the box beside the word, vote.  


I voted on the Ontario boy having two mothers. But what does it mean? A check box just came on, and it doesn't make sense. Did I vote for it or against it? I could vote on Cherniak's 'Online NDP Exposed' (!!! Good grief, he must feel like quite the clever detective for having exposed the NDP here!), but I don't know if I am supporting him or not by voting for him. It's just a vote; there's no 'yes' or 'no' option or anything like that. What does it all mean??

p.s: Welcome, Robert! Don't be too hard on us!
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: skdadl on January 03, 2007, 05:05:52 PM
The check mark means your vote has registered, eph.

Oh, I think we want as many people as possible to read JC's silly post. I do, anyway.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Debra on January 03, 2007, 05:06:38 PM
Yes Robert welcome to the inner cabal  :wink:
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: fern hill on January 03, 2007, 05:09:35 PM
I just went and voted. He's got 16 votes now. How can you fall off the front page with 16 votes? It's on page 2 now. *waves to the progbloggers*
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: anne cameron on January 03, 2007, 05:09:57 PM
Yabbut he's got as much security as the Queen and if you don't know the secret code word you can't even write in and tell him to go fly a kite.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: on January 03, 2007, 05:25:26 PM
Quote from: skdadl
The check mark means your vote has registered, eph.

Oh, I think we want as many people as possible to read JC's silly post. I do, anyway.


Oh, I see. So, the greater the votes, the more likely people will check it out. Weird voting system... but hey ya, I'll vote. Publicity for Cherniak means publicity for us.

 :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny  :bunny
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: skdadl on January 03, 2007, 05:25:36 PM
The front page feature is a combination of votes and time. Even with a lot of votes, you will eventually be moved back to the affiliates list, where you appear by the time you posted.

All a post needs to move from the incoming sidebar to the featured section is two votes. Remember that.   :wink:
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Toedancer on January 03, 2007, 05:36:02 PM
I think this is personal politics. Not sure, you be the judge.

He is a lawyer working in Toronto.

He went to Dalhousie Law School.

He studied Ethics, Society and Law and History while attending Trinity College at the University of Toronto.

He was the Stéphane Dion Blog Campaign Co-Chair and sat on the Internet Task Force of the Liberal Renewal Commission.

He is the president of the Richmond Hill Federal Liberal Riding Association, and York Region Area Director for the Liberal Party of Canada (Ontario).

He runs Liblogs.ca, the unofficial list of Canadian Liberal bloggers

His comments are his own and do not necessarily upset the opinions of any campaign or candidate that he might be supporting in any official or unofficial capacity.

He has a wireless blackberry like real politicians, even Indies like Turner. (feel free to add, if your so inclined) :wink:

OMG  :shock: I almost forgot, I am not a card-carrying NDP! Are you nuts? They are not nearly socialist enuf for me. Plus I think the wage increase should be at least $13.00 to match the Cost of Living thingy.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Boom Boom on January 03, 2007, 06:41:59 PM
Quote from: Toedancer

He studied Ethics, Society and Law and History while attending Trinity College at the University of Toronto.


I'm a Trinity grad. If I had met JC at Trinity, I'd have given him a boot up his arse for being such a neanderthal. Most Trinity grads I associate with  are progressives and free thinkers. I think Iggy might be another Trinity grad, so there's another neanderthal from Trinity crying out for a boot up his arse. FWIW, I know a lot of Trinitarians who are NDP'ers, and, if not formal NDP'ers, at least progressive.
Title: feminist news
Post by: faith on January 03, 2007, 06:45:49 PM
All this time I have read the comments here about Progressive Bloggers and have never bothered to check it out, I have now added it to my list of favourites.
As for this Cherniak boy, well he is just pouting because his sloppy work was so thoroughly and expertly exposed to be a lot of nonsense by so many people. If you don't like the message you can try and kill the messanger.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: 'lance on January 03, 2007, 06:46:49 PM
Quote from: Boom Boom
Quote from: Toedancer

He studied Ethics, Society and Law and History while attending Trinity College at the University of Toronto.

I'm a Trinity grad. If I had met JC at Trinity, I'd have given him a boot up his arse for being such a neanderthal. Most Trinity grads I associate with  are progressives and free thinkers. I think Iggy might be another Trinity grad, so there's another neanderthal from Trinity crying out for a boot up his arse. FWIW, I know a lot of Trinitarians who are NDP'ers, and, if not formal NDP'ers, at least progressive.


Andrew Coyne is also a Trinity grad (and was there when I was at U of T -- at UC, that is).
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: skdadl on January 03, 2007, 06:48:07 PM
My brilliant step-daughter is a Trinity grad. And she, like Boom Boom, definitely does not need a boot up her derrière. One of the most empathetic human beans I've ever known, and a champion of leaving the smallest of footprints on mother nature.

That said, the college does have a bit of a reputation ...
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Boom Boom on January 03, 2007, 07:10:47 PM
Quote from: skdadl
That said, the college does have a bit of a reputation ...


Yeah, for excessive partying. After a few months in residence, I joined a hippie commune to get away from those drunken louts.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Berlynn on January 03, 2007, 07:12:24 PM
This is tooooooooo hilarious!!! :happydance2:
What an insecure young fool.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Toedancer on January 03, 2007, 07:32:45 PM
I have no idea where to find it now, but on someone's blog Cherniak (maybe his own even) said that (paraphrased) people who don't make much money shouldn't be living on their own but should be sharing (ah does that include a single mom with 1 child or 2?). For me personally that was the red line drawn in the sand. I'm not even going to get into how wrong and how elitist that is, instead I think we should resurrect Joe South and force Cherniak into a room with him, for say about an hour. Force him to listen to this: not bleeding heart Jason, but truth and life. Try it.

Walk A Mile In My Shoes
Joe South and The Believers
Written by Joe South

Lyrics

http://ntl.matrix.com.br/pfilho/html/ly ... _shoes.txt (http://ntl.matrix.com.br/pfilho/html/lyrics/w/walk_a_mile_in_my_shoes.txt)

I'm done.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Croghan27 on January 03, 2007, 07:41:43 PM
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OMG  I almost forgot, I am not a card-carrying NDP! Are you nuts? They are not nearly socialist enuf for me. Plus I think the wage increase should be at least $13.00 to match the Cost of Living thingy.


Toe ... when we are old and destitute YOU are the one I want to move in with ..... (a bit chincy stopping at $13.00) .... but we can work on that.

 :tea
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Toedancer on January 03, 2007, 07:52:02 PM
Quote from: Croghan27

Toe ... when we are old and destitute YOU are the one I want to move in with ..... (a bit chincy stopping at $13.00) .... but we can work on that.

 :tea


When? When?
   I'm already there. What's bleeping amazing to me is back in the late 70's I started at $17.00 for a no-skill job. Now people have to open their veins and promise their first born to get that. And that was without a union for a flipping non-profit. Ontario can't afford $13 bucks an hour? I've never heard such bleeping shit in my life.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: GDKitty on January 03, 2007, 07:59:50 PM
Quote from: Toedancer
Ontario can't afford $13 bucks an hour? I've never heard such bleeping shit in my life.

:rotfl: I love Toe!!  Too demure to drop the f-bomb, but not so much that "shit" is out of the question :rotfl:
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: sparqui on January 03, 2007, 08:09:46 PM
Welcome Robert! I've enjoyed your blog and your comments on PB.

I agree with faith, Toe is delightfully unique and spot on.

As for JC, LOL!!!
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: fern hill on January 03, 2007, 08:26:06 PM
The puir wee thing. Another whinging post makes it to PB. Let's vote him up, poor baby.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Berlynn on January 03, 2007, 08:31:22 PM
Thanks, Toe.  I've blogged it (http://politicsnpoetry.wordpress.com/2007/01/03/for-the-sexist-political-pigs/) for the sexist political pigs. :D
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: sparqui on January 03, 2007, 08:44:01 PM
You are so quick and good -- way to go Berlynn!

(I'm still confused about the whole voting thing... I feel like I'm not doing my part.)
Title: feminist news
Post by: faith on January 03, 2007, 08:50:43 PM
Am I actually reading his post correctly- now we should watch what we say in case we damage his future job prospects??? Really?

One thing is for sure, he certainly knows how to deflect attention away from his thick headed blah blah blah attempt at economics and instead make it a personal everythings all about Jason internet battle.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: GDKitty on January 03, 2007, 08:59:52 PM
Atta Go, Berlynn  :D

After reading JC's diary post on PB, I'm starting to wonder if he has old axes to grind.  

And I really don't get the remark about future job prospects. If you really wannu worry about that, why use your real name?!

Introducing: Cason Jerniak, Liblogger from Hichmond Rill  :twisted:
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: kuri on January 03, 2007, 09:08:08 PM
Quote from: GDKitty
If you really wannu worry about that, why use your real name?!


Srsly.

And he certainly seems to enjoy his positive publicity most of the time.

I prefer to be semi-anonymous for a number of reasons, some of which are career-related as I'm a lefty in a righty province. Other reasons, as someone's who adamantly pro-choice and who's talked about having an abortion, are more about personal safety when there's so much anti-choice violence out there. But that also means that I'm cutting off the possibility of ever using my blog for anything more than personal expression and debate with a few readers.

Cherniak's project is something entirely different and that's fair. He seems to have aspired to fame and notoriety, and wants to make a name for himself as a "prominent Liberal blogger". Fair enough. But that means that you're associating your name with your bad arguments just as much as your good ones.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: on January 03, 2007, 09:21:57 PM
Oh dear, he wants us to respect him. How do you respect someone who's dishonest, questions the very existence of people living on minimum wage (calls them 'hypothetical' people), forms uninformed and uneducated opinions, refuses to look at this as a women's issue, etc. Even after his uninformed opinions are challenged and he himself proves that he doesn't know what he's talking about, he refuses to research any of the background, statistics or facts on the issue. Actually, when he's challenged, he whines instead of coming back with intelligent debate. Because he just doesn't have enough knowledge about this issue. And he says he's not a cry baby. To me, his reluctance to do any of his own damned work would be a greater cause for concern with respect to his job prospects than what the 'online NDP' is saying about him. Hey, if he is really worried about his job prospects, maybe he will come back one day and tell us what it's like to live on minimum wage with 4 or 5 roommates.

He also obviously has logic problems. He says he realizes he has gone too far by blaming all NDP bloggers for spewing "garbage". Eckshully, Jason has accused everybody who disagrees with him as being a member of the NDP. Two completely different things.

People like Cherniak are interested in keeping people poor to control inflation rates, and interested in keeping people begging everytime they have to apply for social services. He'll give to charities, but he won't actually do anything to change the system that keeps people poor in the first place. After all, you can't have rich people when you don't have poor people.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Holly Stick on January 03, 2007, 09:33:39 PM
Wow, Dr. Dawg has claimed someone "called my recently-deceased partner a "trophy wife" after I argued that Elizabeth May, whatever her failings, is not anti-choice."  (ETA: this quote was in the comments on the Cherniak blog: http://jasoncherniak.blogspot.com/2007/01/online-ndp-exposed.html  )

That is a highly distorted comment.  I believe the person was making a general reference to trophy wives without having any knowledge about his personal circumstances.  I'll have to go and check.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Toedancer on January 03, 2007, 09:48:33 PM
People, people, he's a Lieberal for gawd sakes. Their bone marrow is elitist, can't help it, born Into it. They do bidding best. Ask a Liberal MP who he/she works for? They're trained to say the people of Canada. Ask them at the dinner table and they'll start talking about the corporists.

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For a 27-year old, that is a DAMN big deal and I will never apologize for or regret saying so.

Remember this:
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The fact that our nation has been effectively governed according to the priorities of 150 global corporations is now so “normal” that it is almost never remarked upon. Yet there is an enormous disconnect here that goes beyond the obvious question of just how anti-democratic this situation is. I am speaking here of the irrefutable fact that the corporate sector which now claims the right to define our nation has reached unprecedented levels of corruption and social irresponsibility. For the past several years we have witnessed the spectacle of almost unimaginable greed, fraud, lying and outright theft from the men who were the heroes of capitalism.


Spring '05 when Paulie Pocket was in power.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Toedancer on January 03, 2007, 09:49:53 PM
Quote from: Holly Stick
Wow, Dr. Dawg has claimed someone "called my recently-deceased partner a "trophy wife" after I argued that Elizabeth May, whatever her failings, is not anti-choice."

That is a highly distorted comment.  I believe the person was making a general reference to trophy wives without having any knowledge about his personal circumstances.  I'll have to go and check.


Well that just sucks and must be a bad interpretation. Pls. do check it.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: kuri on January 03, 2007, 10:17:50 PM
Also, "pink" is a slur, now? WTF?
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Holly Stick on January 03, 2007, 10:20:50 PM
Quote from: Toedancer
Well that just sucks and must be a bad interpretation. Pls. do check it.
Unfortunately, I can't remember where it was; I know I read the post he referred to yesterday evening, but I forget where. :?

ETA, found it: http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=24&t=001142

remind's original post there was:
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"I, too am a man-hating vagina-warrior gender Stalinista!"

I mean, I for one, have always wanted to be a "Stalinista", as well as a; "femninazi". After all, we women can multi-task extremely well, so why not embody two regimes that fought against one another, and were diametric in philosophy...

I wonder at those men, who alledgedly stood firm with feminists for decades, it seems now that they're older they seem to be less embracing of it, perhaps it is the "trophy wife" mentality settling in?

Sounds pretty general to me.  Now Michelle has asked her to clarify it.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Debra on January 03, 2007, 10:28:09 PM
http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb. ... 4&t=001142 (http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=24&t=001142)
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Holly Stick on January 03, 2007, 10:30:43 PM
Yes; and here is where Dawg blogged about it:
http://drdawgsblawg.blogspot.com/2006/12/babbling-lunacy.html
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Toedancer on January 03, 2007, 11:01:42 PM
Well you'll forgive me for wanting to post the post. But I have to.

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   quote:Originally posted by writer:
    RP., the club's title need updated...And so, I confess ...Elizabeth May and all terrifically nuanced, sophisticated and moral anti-abortion pro-choicers (and those who support them), please forgive me, for I will not bend! And, god help me, it is a choice I make.

"I, too am a man-hating vagina-warrior gender Stalinista!"

I mean, I for one, have always wanted to be a "Stalinista", as well as a; "femninazi". After all, we women can multi-task extremely well, so why not embody two regimes that fought against one another, and were diametric in philosophy...

I wonder at those men, who alledgedly stood firm with feminists for decades, it seems now that they're older they seem to be less embracing of it, perhaps it is the "trophy wife" mentality settling in?


Wait, there is this added which doesn't copy:
 :mrgreen:
and that is how I know, no way would remind be making fun of this gentleman's departed wife, just no way.
Title: Hellllooo, Ladies
Post by: judym on January 03, 2007, 11:15:32 PM
Just popping in to clarify that the last two paras of the above quote are not my own words, but remind's.
judym aka writer aka the ultimate man-hating vagina-warrior gender Stalinista
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Debra on January 03, 2007, 11:20:46 PM
I'm glad that PB doesn't allow personal attacks, the way some pinkish Usenet type forums do.

Though one does have to wonder if the term Troll is used in a frivolous way by some people.

Personally I think it was interesting the way it was suggested that the NDP not be smeared by association with said forum, almost nuanced it might be said.

I can't imagine personally what would induce nor reduce me to such a passive aggressive tactic, perhaps I am just not vicious enough.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Holly Stick on January 03, 2007, 11:25:34 PM
remind has responded in that babble thread.  I'll just quote this little bit of it:
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...What I meant with that non-specific comment was more of mental attitude amongst "some" middle aged "powerful" men, and perhaps some not so powerful, of: "when I was young, I believed in that feminist stuff because that's where the women were and I could make political social gains, now I am middle aged, and have made it, I want a trophy wife, that thinks I am great no matter the comb over, paunch and wrinkles"...
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Debra on January 03, 2007, 11:31:59 PM
and most importantly

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He could've pm'd me here after all and asked.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Toedancer on January 03, 2007, 11:33:47 PM
And more of reminds answer too:

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No problem Michelle, do not mind you taking it public, as nothing was meant in regards to him, or his life, at all.

Frankly, I find it interesting, and a bit weird, that he would apply that general of a comment to himself and then go public about it.

Also, I am a bit insulted that he would feel myself, or anyone could do that to him, or indeed any person, suffering over the loss of someone close. But am willing to let it go as grief makes us overly emotional and not always rational.


Now it's all out of order, Harumph! but still you get the drift.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Debra on January 04, 2007, 12:02:42 AM
The Frat Boys are so cute when they are angry.


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I could go on, but instead I'll just link you to the oddball forum here. Also, while we're on the topic of this forum, the hilairty of the title of this forum- "Young Liberal. Sexist Pig."- should be noted. Of course, according to a "hairy-legged, man-hating, vagina-warrior, gender-Stalinista feminazi out to get you", I assume all men and even slightly attractive or feminine women would fall under the category of "sexist pig" in this looney toon's mind. It also doesn't surprise me these people seem to view the likes of Robert McClelland as a demigod.

Frat House (http://bctory.blogspot.com/2007/01/hackonomics-how-reality-is-lost-on.html)

Buddy doesn't even get the irony of suggesting that a bunch of godless feminists would hold a man up as a demi god.

And the you're not fuckable barbs...oh the slings... oh the arrows...oh fuck off!
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Holly Stick on January 04, 2007, 12:10:28 AM
Now that's settled, there are a couple of other remarks on Cherniak's blog that really deserve mocking.
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At 5:16 PM, Northern BC Dipper said...

Wow, Jason, point a couple of links to some far-left communist forum and the most extreme left of the Blogging Dippers and all of a sudden the "online NDP is exposed".

Give me a break! With that criteria, I could write a post on the "online Liberals exposed".

You'll notice that most New Democrats on the web are relatively moderate centre-left individuals that are willing to debate the issues.

This kind of this just embarrasses your fellow Libloggers. (I hope)
     
At 5:51 PM, Jason Cherniak said...

It could just be the Ontario group that are like this.

Oh, that's us on the "extreme left of the Blogging Dippers."  Thanks, I guess?

Funny, the three links JC was complaining about were Plawiuk in Edmonton, Politicsnpoetry in Saskatchewan (I think?) and BnR across the country although our dictator is in Ontari-ario.   :wink:

and
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At 7:52 PM, Jason Cherniak said...

....3) Babble is 100% Ontario NDP. If you deny it, you only lose credibility...
:rotfl:
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Debra on January 04, 2007, 12:15:26 AM
Considering that they have so many tories agreeing with them they might wanna pull those 2x's out their own eye before they start calling splinters in anyone elses.

Oh and I echo that about babble.  :rotfl:
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Berlynn on January 04, 2007, 12:45:19 AM
Yes, I'm in SK.  And I cannot believe how we women are far left communists and dismissed because we dared to challenge a heartless, sexist pig on his poorly-researched work.  It's red-baiting at its finest, I'd say.

And this is a good reminder that the line, Liberal, Tory, same old story, still holds true.  Unfortunately, it also seems true that some NDP supporters aren't too far away from the Liberals and Tories.  None of the political partisans seem able to let go of that urge to backlash feminists.  

Wow!  The backlash is very real, isn't it?  And a goodly portion of it can be squarely placed on the shoulders of PMS.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Berlynn on January 04, 2007, 01:05:00 AM
Quote from: Toedancer

Walk A Mile In My Shoes
Joe South and The Believers
Written by Joe South


Hey, Toe, the poor boys don't get it (http://politicsnpoetry.wordpress.com/2007/01/03/for-the-sexist-political-pigs/#comments).
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Berlynn on January 04, 2007, 01:22:00 AM
Guess I'm making up for the time not online over the holly daze.

OK, take a look at Saskboy's comment at Jason's diary (http://www.progressivebloggers.ca/blog/diary.php?cmd=view&id=1703),  where I think he is suggesting that naming sexism is the equivalent of cyberbullying!

AAAAAAAAARG!!! :flame
Title: feminist news
Post by: faith on January 04, 2007, 02:29:33 AM
If this is typical of Liberal comments concerning the NDP, they are as afraid of the dippers now as they were during the last election.
It always amazes me how vigorously they can attack any comment they suspect might be from the NDP when they should be attacking the Cons.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: skdadl on January 04, 2007, 07:37:47 AM
Jason's diary just stunned me.

He wants us to think of his career? It's right there, isn't it? The sense of entitlement. You've read the book; now see the movie.

To be fair: I know what it's like to feel misrepresented in public on turf that matters to me. That happened to me at EM, and I lost my temper over it. But I didn't ask others to bow down before my whole life -- I just asked for the lies to stop.

Berlynn, you've been fast and productive and fearless -- you go, girlfriend.

I wrote a long comment to pogge's post of last night, here. (http://www.pogge.ca/archives/001428.shtml) I felt that something had to be said about misrepresentations of BnR, and yet I don't want to go to those guys' sites and write it all out.

But I'm watching and thinking.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: gunnar gunnarson on January 04, 2007, 08:23:11 AM
Shame on you.  All of you.  I can't believe you people, sliming this fine young man.

I urge you, my fellow B&Rers, to abandon the politics of personal attack and take the high road (http://www.breadnroses.ca/forums/viewtopic.php?t=19319&start=0).
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Debra on January 04, 2007, 08:32:42 AM
Great post on pogge skdadl
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: skdadl on January 04, 2007, 08:33:00 AM
Yeah, we gotta do something about the bullying tone of this forum.

I mean, everyone always says that: Boy, are they ever bullies over at BnR. Mean? Abrasive? Bossy? Arrogant? Boy, you haven't seen arrogance until you've read BnR. And they can't take a joke, either. Wow: humourless? You haven't seen humourless till you've been to BnR.

And now some nice young men who have been wounded by our humourless arrogance are appealing to the whole of the blogosphere in order to get us to mend our "far left communist" "pinkish" "extremist" bullying ways, and to remember what women are for.

So, ah, women: what are we for again?
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Debra on January 04, 2007, 08:36:57 AM
Why unfailing support of whatever the bully boys tell us is important.

Get out those poms poms out girls  :cheerleader:  :cheerleader:

Some need constant reassurance and we can do that :patpat:  :patpat:  

And of course we provide refreshments.

Ex-lax....er chocolate chip cookie? :cookie:  :cookie:
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: skdadl on January 04, 2007, 09:49:28 AM
Well, friends -- we've been warned. (http://kdoughscanada.blogspot.com/2007/01/feminidiots-beware.html)

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I have news for those of you who are frothing feminidiots: My bet is that Cherniak is poised to ascend into the staffing roster of some powerful government in Canada this year. If not this year, very soon. From that vantage point, he will be in a position to influence public policy to either help or hinder both genders equally. I'd think you'd be courting him, educating him or at least conducting intelligent critical debate with him.

So, all you feminidiots, drop those babies you're feeding and abandon the eldercare -- powerful Liberal men need to be cared for, d'ye hear?

He likes Polly, though:

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If you want to be taken seriously by the old boys blogger club (Cherniak is 27) at least have the sense to deploy logical and/or plausible arguments. As far as I've seen, Polly Jones over at Marginal Notes is the only feminist blogger involved who seems capable of doing that.


Jason is an old boy because he's 27!

 :rotfl:
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: fern hill on January 04, 2007, 09:55:59 AM
:fomcl


Edited after I read the entry:

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To all non-reactionary feminists I say:


What does this mean? Non-reactionary? Do they mean feminists who do not react? Feminists who 'have moved on'? Nuanced feminists?
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Debra on January 04, 2007, 09:58:40 AM
Good boys :patpat:  

Yes yes you are the best blogger ever :patpat:

You know so much more about the world can you tell me all about it?  :patpat:

Oh Oh can I help hang the curtains in your office :patpat:  

K dough just the sound of it :patpat:   :pukey:
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Holly Stick on January 04, 2007, 11:08:33 AM
Quote from: fern hill
:What does this mean? Non-reactionary? Do they mean feminists who do not react? Feminists who 'have moved on'? Nuanced feminists?
Dead feminists?
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Nikita on January 04, 2007, 11:35:02 AM
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I have news for those of you who are frothing feminidiots: My bet is that Cherniak is poised to ascend into the staffing roster of some powerful government in Canada this year. If not this year, very soon. From that vantage point, he will be in a position to influence public policy to either help or hinder both genders equally. I'd think you'd be courting him, educating him or at least conducting intelligent critical debate with him.

Threats?  Seriously?  This is bullshit.  :x
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: skdadl on January 04, 2007, 11:41:14 AM
Yes. Threats.

Me, I'm left wondering how it is that people get into any position of influence at all without having educated themselves already. Still needing to be "courted" and pampered.

That post seems to be saying that it doesn't matter how smart women get; Jason is still expected to be wilfully stupid and will remain that way on purpose unless we court him.

I mean, how else can one read that?
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Debra on January 04, 2007, 11:52:29 AM
Court? Pitch woo? Shall we spoon under the silvery moon

I'm sure it's 2007 I'm sure it is ....scuse me while I go find a calender.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: skdadl on January 04, 2007, 11:58:10 AM
Yup. Last night was the full moon.   :rotfl:

Y'know, at some point yesterday, it hit me to wonder about that. I'd watched the moon a night or so earlier and been struck by how full it was.  

Och. Too funny.  :D
Title: feminist news
Post by: faith on January 04, 2007, 12:13:04 PM
After reading the whiny posts of JC and his so called "progressive" buddies rushing to his defense I am reminded of why BnR exists in the first place.

The article entitled "Bitch Bitch Bitch" was particularly shocking in its sexism and uneducated (about feminism) postulation. What is it about these guys that they think they should be able to speak on any subject(but  particularly feminism) without doing any of the research, and we are all supposed to react as if they have authority on their  chosen subject?
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: on January 04, 2007, 12:26:18 PM
Great post on pogge, skdadl.

Quote from: skdadl
Well, friends -- we've been warned. (http://kdoughscanada.blogspot.com/2007/01/feminidiots-beware.html)

I started to read that, but honestly, it was so terribly boring. I would be torturing myself if I had to finish it. So, I didn't. Ignorant, unintelligent and irrational spewing at the mouth really bores me.

I see that another pompous ignoramous has commented on Cherniak's site (Suzanne):

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I had some help from my boyfriend and family.

The dollar signs do not reveal the social capital people have. It doesn't show the family help (babysitting, gifts, etc) it doesn't show the connections one has that help survive.


Oh boy, I can't quite decide if her ignorance is sad or hilarious. She actually thinks everybody must have family and lovers they can rely on. Christ almighty, talk about being born with a silver spoon in her mouth. She assumes that everyone else must be as priveleged as she is. Let me guess, if they're not, well, they're probably just lazy and should work for those priveleges.  :roll:

Now,

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/rhainnon/tellme.gif)

(Debra, you have the most awesome pics on your bog).
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Gigi on January 04, 2007, 01:10:47 PM
Wow.  That is the biggest penis I have ever seen!



Isn't that what this essentially boils down to?  Needing to hear that? "You are the smartest, sexiest, most handsome man I have ever known!"

Too bad that he's more likely to hear "you ARE the biggest penis" rather than "you have".
Title: Re: feminist news
Post by: Holly Stick on January 04, 2007, 01:17:20 PM
Quote from: faith
...The article entitled "Bitch Bitch Bitch" was particularly shocking in its sexism and uneducated (about feminism) postulation....
Where is that one?
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Debra on January 04, 2007, 01:20:20 PM
http://plawiuk.blogspot.com/2007/01/bit ... bitch.html (http://plawiuk.blogspot.com/2007/01/bitch-bitch-bitch.html)

I was quite shocked to see Eugene write this. I had often read and respected his writing.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: on January 04, 2007, 01:33:10 PM
I'm not sure what he's getting at, or what he is talking about.  :?

Male violence is masculine, but female violence is bitchiness. Does he mean that verbal attacks and challenging positions coming from females is bitchiness??
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Debra on January 04, 2007, 01:36:46 PM
“In politics, what begins in fear usually ends in folly.” (http://aprilreign.breadnroses.ca/blog/wordpress/?p=97)

So the economic theory I refer to is based on the works of an economist with a Russian? name, but I'll be damned if I can remember it.  :?
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: radiorahim on January 04, 2007, 02:13:31 PM
I think the problem for the Liberals is that they're very vulnerable right now.    They raced through a 25% increase in MPP salaries at the end of the year.   They look absolutely ridiculous.

And the more Cherniak dumps on the $10 an hour minimum wage, the stupider he looks.

I mean...the MPP salaries were such a "crisis" that the Christmas break had to be put on hold to push this increase through.   Did they put the MPP Christmas break on hold to deal with the crisis that the poor are having?   Nooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!    They can wait...and wait...and wait!!!    Poor folks aren't important.  The working poor can do perfectly okay with a 25 cent per hour increase in January.  

But MPP's are very important people.   Perish the thought that an MPP might decide to run federally...or even worse...run for ...Vaughan city council 'coz they just can't make ends meet on an Ontario MPP's salary.

Ahhhh the blogging Liberazi's say....well we shouldn't make the poor oppressed employers like the retail and fast food chains bear the burdens of dealing with poverty anyway. Besides, the cost of a Big Mac might go up a few cents, Walmart's big yellow "smiley face" might turn into a bit of a frown...and western civilization as we know it would collapse!   We should have "social programmes" to help the poor.

Okay blogging Liberazi's...did the McGuinty gang hold up the MPP Christmas break to deliver on social programmes to help the poor?   Nooooooooooooooo....again they can wait...and wait.   And then after they've finished waiting, they can wait some more.

But...the LIberazi's can deliver on a "social programme" for our poor oppressed undernourished MPP's in the form of a 25% raise.   That's a "real" crisis that has to be dealt with right away.

Nice to know the great "oh so progressive" Liberazis have their priorities straight.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: sparqui on January 04, 2007, 02:57:33 PM
More excellent blog entries and comments from the BnR gang.  :clap:

Today I actually heard the term "worker's market" believe it or not!?!?

Of course, I can find no referece to the radio news item on the CBC internet portal.

Anyway, I am tired of hearing the same old "let the market decide..." arguments to deny anything and everything that would help the working poor, many of them being women.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: radiorahim on January 04, 2007, 04:17:52 PM
There's a never ending list of excuses as to why nothing can be done for those at the bottom of the income scale...and yes most are women.  

And there's always a never ending ist of excuses for the absolutely obscene salaries and stock options of CEO's and the like...and guess who they are mostly?

I'd like to nominate Cheri DiNovo for premier...and Jason Cherniak for upper middleclass twit of the month.

When I hear these Liberazi's whine, I always think of that old Phil Och's song "Love Me I'm a Liberal"

http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~trent/ochs/lyrics/liberal.html
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: skdadl on January 04, 2007, 04:26:03 PM
Yes. God bless Phil Ochs.

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Once I was young and impulsive
I wore every conceivable pin
Even went to the socialist meetings
Learned all the old union hymns
But I've grown older and wiser
And that's why I'm turning you in
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal


The thing is, I don't think that most Young Liberals were ever young and impulsive. Some people are just born middle-aged.

Or as the saying goes, "No shirt too young to stuff."
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: radiorahim on January 04, 2007, 05:55:35 PM
Thing is, the Liberazis could have split the difference and said...okay you unreasonable needippers we'll up it to $9.00 an hour.   Take it and shutup.

Or maybe...just maybe...to show we're not totally heartless shitheads...we'll bump our annual increase in the minimum wage to 50 cents an hour instead of 25 cents.    That way the working poor would be seeing $8.25 an hour for 2007 instead of $8.00 and $8.75 an hour next year.

Especially in light of the great emergency in passing an MPP salary increase...oh yeah...how much did they pay out to that Hydro honcho in severance?

But noooooooo!!!!!  It would cost more to "biggy size it" and you might get one less Timbit in your box.   The folks at head office in Bentonville, Arkansas would definitely  be pissed.

And what about the folks on social assistance?   You know...alot of whom are there because of the federal Liberazis gutting of EI?    Any 25% increase there?   Nope!   What about the folks on ODSP?   You know...the disabled????     At the time the Ontario Liberazis felt an MPP pay raise was an "emergency", did they give one thought to the idea that maybe...just maybe the disabled might be having a hard time of it too?

The other folks who burn my ass are the head honchos in the CFIB (Canadian Federation of Independent Business).    These folks do an absolutely lousy job of representing their members interests.

Most small businesses rely on consumer spending...folks having a little extra cash in their pocket to spend on the odd little "frill".    Yet, they consistently argue against any policy whatsoever that would put more money into workers pockets.

And if workers don't have money in their pockets, they don't buy stuff from members of the CFIB...in fact they're more likely to spend what money they've got in big box retailers.    So ultimately the policies that the CFIB advocates are contrary to the interests of CFIB members.

If I were a member of CFIB, I'd be calling for a "leadership review".
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Holly Stick on January 04, 2007, 08:30:47 PM
Quote from: Debra
Good boys :patpat:  

Yes yes you are the best blogger ever :patpat:

You know so much more about the world can you tell me all about it?  :patpat:

Oh Oh can I help hang the curtains in your office :patpat:  

K dough just the sound of it :patpat:   :pukey:
Snerk, snerk, worth repeating :mrgreen:
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: deBeauxOs on January 04, 2007, 09:14:01 PM
This debacle with the old boys' club a.k.a pseudo-progressive male bloggers reminds me of my favourite 70's radical feminist bumper sticker:
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If we can send a man to the moon, why not send them all?
Except for a few exceptional gyus - our beloved sons, brothers, fathers, friends or sweeties, of course.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Berlynn on January 04, 2007, 09:45:37 PM
Kd makes me sick.  These young fools just do not get it.  How many times?  :banghead  How many ways can it be explained?  And why do they run from their own power, privilege, and inherent sexism?  AAACK!  

I want to cry.  It's sad.  It's so very sad.  

And they call themselves progressive... :?
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: 'lance on January 04, 2007, 10:39:10 PM
Quote from: deBeauxOs
Except for a few exceptional gyus - our beloved sons, brothers, fathers, friends or sweeties, of course.


... and barkeeps, I'm hoping?

Or in gunnar's case, barflies?   :groucho-marx:
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: deBeauxOs on January 04, 2007, 10:46:29 PM
Quote from: 'lance
Quote from: deBeauxOs
Except for a few exceptional gyus - our beloved sons, brothers, fathers, friends or sweeties, of course.
... and barkeeps, I'm hoping? Or in gunnar's case, barflies?   :groucho-marx:
As long as he makes hisself useful.  BTW, isn't gunny more of a gadfly?  Or perhaps a combination of both?   (http://www.lafilleduperenoel.net/smilies/cat/animaux/animaux-lfdpn-049.gif)
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: 'lance on January 04, 2007, 10:48:43 PM
Da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-abraca-pocus...
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: gunnar gunnarson on January 04, 2007, 10:51:49 PM
I resemble that.   :whis:
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Debra on January 04, 2007, 10:55:30 PM
I see your da-abraca-pocus, and raise you an abracadabra (http://frogstar.soylentgeek.com/wav/abracada.wav)
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: deBeauxOs on January 04, 2007, 11:08:10 PM
See ya abrayabadaba and raise ya a candelabra (http://zed.cbc.ca/go;jsessionid=aIfY3yQSRACb?POS=6&CONTENT_ID=211336&c=contentPage)

(http://www.rembetika.com/images/Candelabra.jpg)
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Berlynn on January 04, 2007, 11:49:49 PM
And this guy's remarks (http://nbcdipper.blogspot.com/2007/01/cherniak-should-apologize-to-blogging.html) hurt most of all.  Good comments there, Debra.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: kuri on January 04, 2007, 11:55:53 PM
Just out of curiousity, why are there so many references to Cherniak's age? I don't see what that has to do with anything....  :?

Right-wingers come in all ages.
Title: feminist news
Post by: faith on January 05, 2007, 12:10:33 AM
Again these guys are saying whatever pops into their minds without reading the forum. To call Bread and Roses an extremist site on the edge of NDP philosophy is laughable.
The comments remind me of a show I saw a long time ago (Phil Donahue?) and Shere Hite was on it with her book that was actually a survey of thousands of women. The audience was filled with men who had all been given a chance to read the book because they had been mailed an advance copy. The audience stood up one after the other and verbally attacked the author accusing her of the most hateful motives for writing the book- honestly I think if they hadn't been on television she would've been in danger.
But as they stood to attack her she calmly stood in front of them and when they were finished venting she asked each and every one if they had read the book- they all answered no. Yet each man felt he knew exactly what Shere Hite was all about. The more things change the more they stay the same.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: GDKitty on January 05, 2007, 12:38:33 AM
Quote from: Berlynn
And this guy's remarks (http://nbcdipper.blogspot.com/2007/01/cherniak-should-apologize-to-blogging.html) hurt most of all.  Good comments there, Debra.
No kidding, eh?  I don't see how Debra could've been any clearer (http://nbcdipper.blogspot.com/2007/01/cherniak-should-apologize-to-blogging.html#c4904520618151850403). Guess the MHVW went *whoosh* right over his head? Kind of reminded me of that Seinfeld, when that jerky doctor misconstrued Uncle Leo's painted-on-eyebrows for anger... (http://www.angelfire.com/sc/seinscripts/pack.html)
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DOCTOR: (Sees Leo's eyebrows) Woah, woah.. No need to get angry. Calm down.
LEO: I am calm.
DOCTOR: Leo, I don't care for your demeanor.
LEO: (Confused) Demeanor?
DOCTOR: Oh, now you're just being difficult. (Starts to write on Leo's file)
And Berlynn...when NBCDipper guy referred to you as a "self professed "Feminazi", I immediately thought of Lisa Simpson. When Lisa went vegetarian (http://www.snpp.com/episodes/3F03.html), she received the following taunts from her school-yard peers:
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Sheri/Terri: Look at Missus Potato Head!  She has a head made out of lettuce.  [Giggles.]
Ralph: I can't believe I used to go out with you.
Janie: Are you going to marry a carrot, Lisa?
Lisa: [Rolling her eyes.]  Yes, I'm going to marry a carrot.
Sherri/Terri: Ohh!  She admitted it.  She's going to marry a carrot!

The aggrieved 'winners' in our society are getting to be...um...what's that word?
High-maintenance  :wink:
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Holly Stick on January 05, 2007, 02:35:39 AM
Quote from: Berlynn
Kd makes me sick.  These young fools just do not get it.  How many times?  :banghead  How many ways can it be explained?  And why do they run from their own power, privilege, and inherent sexism?  AAACK!  

I want to cry.  It's sad.  It's so very sad.  

And they call themselves progressive... :?
I thought at first you meant kd lang there; but of course it was that dimwit K-Dough.  You wrote a fine post explaining the facts on why women are more affected by the minimum wage and he just wanked that you were being anti-man!  What a dweeb!  Was he too lazy to read your post or too stupid to understand it?  Then he got some fluffy headed rightwinger coming on all ignorant about the whole issue, but stroking his bloated ego for him.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: skdadl on January 05, 2007, 05:35:19 AM
They really don't read, do they. That strikes me so often -- that someone goes to some trouble to write a detailed, logical comment, and yet the motormouths come back with the same claims and charges they've been making all along.

To me, reading means starting with the first word and then reading every single word that follows in exactly the order it was written. I get the feeling that a lot of guys do not read that way.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Croghan27 on January 05, 2007, 05:59:04 AM
The real communists I have met are those that go into isolated Native communities and working with the elders, begin literacy classes - organize food banks (where possible) and help the inhabitants try to negotiate their way through the paper work the Feds continually spew out.

These are the people that begin English classes for newly arrived immigrants in mining camps and have been known to (actually) wangle some funding from the large mining multinationals for community projects and buildings.

They are communists committed to "community" action: their ideology is  expressed in their doings, not in speaches.

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"At 11:25 PM, Northern BC Dipper said…

Berlynn,

First, let apologize about saying that Bread 'N' Roses was communist. I was not thinking too well when I made that comment."


Of someone calls me a communist, I am honoured -  I have spend most of my life as a comfortable, white middle class male in a rich western country enjoying the benefits that come with that.

I do not deserve to be called a communist.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: skdadl on January 05, 2007, 06:14:52 AM
Well said, Croghan.

I would have to admit that too. I do not deserve to be called a communist. I haven't been good enough yet.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: on January 05, 2007, 10:36:48 AM
That is a nice post, Croghan.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Berlynn on January 05, 2007, 11:07:32 AM
Croghan, I love your definition of communist.  However, using that definition will always make me a wannabe (though I have done a coupla decent organizing gigs in my day).
Title: Personally...
Post by: Polly on January 05, 2007, 11:09:04 AM
...I am vowing to ignore lots of these idiots from now. I know sometimes something has to be said. But, take for example, Eugene's post...I mean it is just so beneath me. I find some of the thoughts on PBs despicable.
 
It is tricky...I wonder about resigning from PBs because I'm not sure that I can stand to be affiliated with these people. In any case, I feel I need to set some boundaries so that my energies get chanelled towards real change and not debating with compromised minds.
 
The audacity to suggest that we might cater to someone like Cherniak! I have my own ambitions thanks...he may want to be careful not to piss someone like me off.
 
Anyway, I think it is hilarious that k-dough has singled me out as the 'reasonable' feminist because with all the anti-women shit I see lately, I am on the verge of going vigilante!
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: skdadl on January 05, 2007, 11:15:39 AM
Oh, I knew that, Polly. I thought that was so funny, that K-Dough of all people, and in the middle of that post, should be appealing to you.

And you're absolutely right:

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I have my own ambitions thanks...he may want to be careful not to piss someone like me off.


Amazing that that has yet to occur to them.  :D
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Berlynn on January 05, 2007, 11:57:01 AM
Quote from: skdadl
Amazing that that has yet to occur to them.  :D


They must be in some kind of denial.  Polly for PM!

I firmly believe that women's time is a-coming and those young ones will see a lot of it in their lifetimes.  Our destiny as women is, I think, intricately tied to our planet in more ways that we can imagine.  The tide, as it were, is turning and things are going to change more quickly, I think.  What I have to remember, in order to sustain my energy, is that the world I entered into as an adult is a very different one from that which my daughter will enter into in a few short years.  And a fair chunk of that is a good thing.

We are making a difference.  And we will continue to make a difference.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: sparqui on January 05, 2007, 01:25:24 PM
Quote from: Croghan27
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"At 11:25 PM, Northern BC Dipper said…

Berlynn,

First, let apologize about saying that Bread 'N' Roses was communist. I was not thinking too well when I made that comment."

Of someone calls me a communist, I am honoured -  I have spend most of my life as a comfortable, white middle class male in a rich western country enjoying the benefits that come with that.

I do not deserve to be called a communist.

Nicely put Croghan. The fact that NBC Dipper felt compelled to apologize for calling Berlynn a "communist" underscores the fact that they really are not that progressive nor politically aware. It doesn't surprise me that he thinks of women protecting their rights as radical feminists and communists. This is how he defines the NDP:

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Most New Democrats on the Internet are actually center-left moderates who want to debate issues and do it with common decency.


Given how far right the centre has moved in the last two decades, I sure hope the NDP decision-makers don't feel the same way.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: radiorahim on January 05, 2007, 05:44:35 PM
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Most New Democrats on the Internet are actually center-left moderates who want to debate issues and do it with common decency.


Spoken like a true Blairite.   :pukey:

At a time of some of the most obscene concentrations of wealth ever seen in history this Blairite wants to "debate issues and do it with common decency"?

What's "commonly decent" about astronomical CEO salaries and stock options?    What's "commonly decent" about starting wars and mass slaughter based on lies?
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: sparqui on January 05, 2007, 07:50:02 PM
:clap:
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Toedancer on January 05, 2007, 08:11:19 PM
I fear poor JC has kissed the blarney stones too many times. Raked over the coals AGAIN.

http://www.tdhstrategies.com/2007/01/ch ... ature.html (http://www.tdhstrategies.com/2007/01/cherniak-is-caricature.html)
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: gunnar gunnarson on January 13, 2007, 09:32:13 PM
*bumping* so I can use this:

 :dismiss:

"yes yes yes, jason," he said as he stifled a yawn, "whatever.  do run along now."

thanks be to debra, she who rules the forum and must be obeyed.  

NB not that i would actually advocate such rude and condescending treatment for a committed young fellow who wishes only to engage in civil and enlightened dialogue.
Title: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: k'in on January 13, 2007, 10:24:31 PM
how appropriate!  sigh.. just run along now, you little gnat...now, where were we...yes, yes of course.  praise be to debra!
Title: Re: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: skdadl on January 14, 2009, 10:00:40 PM
Hey, you guys: you gotta read this thread over again. It's one of the classics. I'm rolling on teh floor, holding tummy.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: Toedancer on October 07, 2013, 04:19:10 PM
Jason is running for the federal Liberal nomination in the new riding of Aurora-Oak Ridges-Richmond Hill.

 :pukey
Title: Re: Young Liberal. Sexist Pig.
Post by: sparqui on October 07, 2013, 09:03:32 PM
Jason is running for the federal Liberal nomination in the new riding of Aurora-Oak Ridges-Richmond Hill.

 :pukey


 :pukey