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Title: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: deBeauxOs on August 31, 2008, 07:52:03 PM
but wouldn't have known or bothered to ask 72 hours ago.

In this thread: discussion about her choices, non-political-wise.  Although the personal IS political, news items relevant to her candidacy as McCain's VP selection should be kept in the US forum thread, or perhaps double-posted if people care to do that.

Links from the 2008 Presidential Race thread:

Quote from: k'in
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The Alaska governor might be just a “plain Sarah” herself, but her children’s names are far more dazzling: Track (18), Bristol (17), Willow (13), Piper (7) and Trig (4 months).

Five shots at naming (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/08/29/politics/horserace/entry4397867.shtml) a child (OK, she's a self-described soccer/hockey Mom but still...)and she manages to saddle all five with words more associated with a Lee Valley catalogue than handles for human beans.  

Wonder what the middle names are..."Field", "Board", "Weeping", "Pied" and "Onometry"?

Quote from: 'lance
Yeah, like someone said, her fambly went the Romney fambly one better (http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/trailhead/archive/2008/08/29/the-kiddies.aspx).

Quote from: deBeauxOs
A Creative Revolution (http://www.acreativerevolution.ca/node/1269) sums it all up: John McCain picks Dan Quayle in a dress - Meet John McCain's running mate, Sarah Palin.   :rotfl:

Quote from: Antonia
I just heard that Palin is against abortion rights even in the case of incest and rape -and Alaska has the highest rate of incest and rape.

Quote from: matttbastard
...Is true (at least, the former). Palin is a member of Feminists For Life (http://www.naral.org/elections/election-pr/pr08292008_palin.html) (and, according to Chris Hayes of The Nation (http://www.thenation.com/blogs/jstreet/350730), is also a Buchanonite.) I also agree that abortion is now front and centre in the US election; as I wrote today (http://bastardlogic.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/mccains-hail-mary/), this is less a play for disaffected Clinton voters and more of a sop to the GOP's conservative Christian base, many of whom before today weren't solidly behind McCain.  Pure Karl Rove shit, y0.

Also, my CFLF co-blogger tas points out (http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/08/your-mission-should-you-choose-to-accept-it) that Palin might continue the trend of AK pols with ethical (and legal) issues.  .......

I can't believe that I'm about to write this, but...

everyone should go read this analysis (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MWY0YmM3N2JhMTVkYmI0ZjU0OTBiYTY3NmUyMjgxNTc=) by Ramesh Ponnuru @ The Corner.

Quote from: fern hill
I'm trying to work up the energy to blog about this (xist, but I find it depressing), but I have one question for now. What would the Christo-fascists have said if a Democratic woman with a 4-month-old handicapped baby went on campaign for VP?

Or I may just post a link to mattt (http://bastardlogic.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/mccains-hail-mary/). Great post, very thorough, lots of links. Very depressing.

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Palintology (http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/29/palintology/)
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Underneath her attractive and youthful exterior, Sarah Palin is no different from the old white guys running the Republican Party.  She doesn't care about good government, she doesn't believe in science, she wants everyone to live in accordance with her Old Testament Christian values.  Basically, she's Tom Coburn with boobs.

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(I guess he assumes that women will just blindly vote for anyone with a vagina)  :lol:

Got a call from good friend in Van today. He's terrified of her. Then when he saw McSame standing beside her he says to me "God, his f'ing head wobbles, I never noticed that before"  :lol:

Quote from: brebis noire
I've been doing some skimming of stuff here and there on the web about Palin, without following anything on TV, and it's looking a lot like parallel worlds. There are a lot of surprising things said about her, both for and against; at this point it's hard to know what's true, or what is pure partisan interpretation or wishful thinking, etc.

The only thing I am sure about is that this does go to prove that both parties are simultaneously trying to appeal to certain voting blocs in a blatantly strategic way, but ultimately it really doesn't matter who wins, or maybe only slightly, because both have to fall in line with the American military-industrial complex. Nothing is going to "change" that. There may only be slight differences in terms of social policy, but even with a supposed anti-abortion agenda, McCain and Palin are still only playing to a certain demographic, so whatever their personal beliefs might be, it's still just a show for a bloc of voters who have been deluded into believing they are powerful. On the sole basis of their opposition to abortion and euthanasia, they are being used very cleverly.

That's the way I see it, anyways.

Quote from: vmichel
Likewise, everyone is fawning over her because she went back to work 3 days after giving birth to a child with Downs' Syndrome. Imagine what would be said if Hillary had done that...

Not to make it all about me  :D , but this is just my luck. Weeks before I'm supposed to give birth we have a new national hero who goes back to work after 3 days! I'm already catching crap, and getting jokes that aren't really funny, about my planned 6 weeks! Gaah... Sarah Palin, I don't know how you did that and my hat is off to you for it I guess, but did you have to ruin maternity leave for the rest of us!!!!!

Quote from: fern hill
This is the Alaskan political blogger (http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/local-reaction-to-the-palin-bombshell/) who seems to have broken the TrooperGate story.

A more recent blog measures local reaction. This one is his favourite.

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Alaska State Representative Mike Doogan (D): “Either Sarah Palin has talents and skills we were not aware of”, or “John McCain fell down and hit his head”.  He also called the prospect of Palin potentially needing to take over as President”pretty scary.”

Mine too.  :mrgreen:

Here's the previous  post (http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/what-is-mccain-thinking-one-alaskans-perspective/). Pretty funny and the comments, nearly 400, are good too.

Quote from: fern hill
I'm at sweetie's and so can run videos.  Here's Samantha Bee and Jon Stewart (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzcTTzzAHG0) on the Palin choice.

From a link at CC's, The Kossacks (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/201818/606/27/580690) are on Palin.

From here (http://www.palinfacts.com/), some little-known facts about Sarah Palin:

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* Sarah Palin once guided Santa’s sleigh through an Alaskan blizzard with the light from her smile.
* Chuck Norris wishes he was Sarah Palin trapped in a man’s body.
* Three of Sarah Palin’s five kids came out sideways - she never flinched.

Much more at the links.

BONUS link from Canadian Cynic to dailykos (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223), regarding speculation that Trig is actually Palin's grandchild and her daughter Bristol is the birth mother.   CC challenged Blob Blogging Wingnut (http://canadiancynic.blogspot.com/2008/08/your-big-blue-wave-oopsie-moment.html)'s jumping on the fetus-fetishist bandwagon regarding the topic of Palin's fifth child.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on August 31, 2008, 07:59:00 PM
Elsewhere,  ;) mattt posted this link to a fascinating development, Who is the mother of Trig Palin? (http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/08/who-is-the-mother-of-trig-paxon-van-palin) and what the heck kind of name is Trig?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on August 31, 2008, 08:15:45 PM
On the one hand ... I do believe that Palin's nomination is an insult to women, and there's a lot to be said about this as a Rovian switcheroo. She's a match for Hillary -- uh huh.  :roll:

On the other ... The speculation about the youngest child, verisimilitudinous as it sounds, is really a mistake imho. If it's true, then yes, Palin has lived a lie, just as John Edwards lived a lie. They didn't do anything wrong in the first place, but then they were asked stupid questions that are endemic to North American culture (Quebec and Mexico excepted, lagatta) and they were stupid enough to start off by lying, as most people do when quizzed about their sex lives in public. Bill Clinton did that too, although Clinton actually did something wrong (power relationship).

If the Palin story is true, it's still not that unusual in many cultures. Palin's husband is part Yup'ik, and if the family want to cope that way, what's wrong with that?

Palin herself is a public problem for reasons that we can describe politically. Mostly, I think that she will just be blown away, either by a scandal that I don't consider scandalous or for the better reason, that she's such a lightweight. If I'm wrong, then North America is sicker than I thought.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: sparqui on August 31, 2008, 08:24:30 PM
That mystery about who really is Trig (?!?!) Palin's mother is fascinating stuff in that National Enquirer way. But still, it fits with the profile of her extreme religious beliefs. Babies at all costs, including using deception. Deception seems like a core tenet of these Dominionist sects.

More about Evangelicals rejoicing McCain's choice:

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...Focus on the Family founder James Dobson, who initially said he could not vote for McCain but has since opened the door to an endorsement, called Palin "an outstanding choice that should be extremely reassuring to the conservative base" of the GOP. Dobson added that the ticket "gives us confidence he will keep his pledges to voters regarding the kinds of justices he would nominate to the Supreme Court."

"It's an absolutely brilliant choice," said Mathew Staver, dean of Liberty University School of Law. "This will absolutely energize McCain's campaign and energize conservatives."

Staver called Palin a "a woman of faith who has a strong position on life, a consistent opinion on judges. ... She's the complete package."

A Pew poll last week showed McCain leading Democrat Barack Obama 68 percent to 24 percent among white evangelical Protestants. But there was little enthusiasm: Only 28 percent of white evangelicals call themselves "strong" supporters of McCain, far short of President Bush's numbers four years ago.

Many evangelical leaders said McCain helped himself with a solid performance at Pastor Rick Warren's Saddleback Church, where McCain proclaimed, "I will be a pro-life president."

Mark Silk, who specializes in religion and politics at Trinity College in Hartford, Conn., cautioned that while evangelical leaders are praising the Palin pick, it might not necessarily trickle down.

"The question is how this will be received by a lot of rank-and-file evangelicals who are just Americans struggling along, going to their megachurches, and care about values," Silk said.

Some question whether old-guard traditional leaders, like Dobson, hold as much influence as in the past. The evangelical establishment never warmed to former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee's candidacy, but grass-roots evangelicals contributed to his big win in the Iowa primaries...

Evangelicals energized (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g4-w_DCWffagBaQb8Il9a0R2hkPAD92SL7E00)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on August 31, 2008, 08:32:24 PM
Exactly, sparqui. It's just more lying for the bay-beez.

If it turns out that this child is her grandchild, it won't hurt her with the Religious Right. She'll look even more heroic for 'protecting' her daughter.

But she lied and there's that weird story of her water breaking in Texas and then her heroic journey back to Alaska to give birth there. So, while 'protecting her daughter,' she also managed to manufacture some bullshit PR for herself.

It doesn't matter what we oh-so-enlightened people think of it. Just like with Edwards, it's what the media and other dullards will make of it.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: deBeauxOs on August 31, 2008, 08:41:36 PM
The elaborate subterfuge, if that is the case, would be another indication that Palin is not the squeaky clean candidate the Repulsicans claim that she is.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: vmichel on August 31, 2008, 10:12:10 PM
I'm kind of disgusted by the speculation that Trig isn't her son (I am not disgusted at the present conversation, or present company -- but at the media spin.) So she doesn't look "pregnant enough" at six months? Come on. I fully believe that she could be pregnant and not quite "look it," having been around enough pregnant women to see that they come in all shapes and sizes. I've seen the pictures of Palin supposedly looking too small, and I've seen women as pregnant as that who looked just as small. It happens.

I also fully believe that Palin, learning by ultrasound that her baby had Downs, would wait until 6 months or later to announce the pregnancy to give the doctors time to determine the extent of the child's disability and give her family time to adjust to the idea in private. That is an extremely common reaction.

ETA: Also, amniotic fluid leaking out is not an f-ing national emergency that requires an immediate hospital check-in, despite what some overly anxious doctors might have women believe. I fully believe that, by baby number 5, Palin felt comfortable giving a speech and flying back to Texas after feeling a slow trickle of fluid. I also believe that she'd want to check into a small, local hospital where she was comfortable and could have the kind of birth that she wanted.

ETA2: And those high-res close-ups of her daughter's body on Daily Kos are disgusting. Give the girl some privacy and dignity.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on August 31, 2008, 10:51:09 PM
Quote from: vmichel
ETA2: And those high-res close-ups of her daughter's body on Daily Kos are disgusting. Give the girl some privacy and dignity.

Hear! Hear! But then I've never been a fan of dK anyway.

Palin's MIL not sure if she's voting for McSame.
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"Being pro-life is who Sarah is."

NY Daily (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/republican_race/2008/08/30/2008-08-30_sarah_palins_motherinlaw_uncertain_about.html)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: kuri on August 31, 2008, 11:11:00 PM
Quote from: fern hill
what the heck kind of name is Trig?

This was precisely my thought as well. Reminds me of high school maths.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on August 31, 2008, 11:38:07 PM
K'in did the best meet-up names to follow: "Field", "Board", "Weeping", "Pied" and "Onometry"
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on August 31, 2008, 11:41:53 PM
Yeah, and that's a big reason I wanted the thread split. Smarty-pantsitude.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Zastrozzi on September 01, 2008, 12:11:27 AM
On the one hand, I know that naming one's children is a personal choice, and that it's often informed by one's culture, and I don't want to be all authoritarian and say that people can only use boring kids' names that've been used for centuries. On the other hand, people coming up with weird names for their kids bothers me on a gut level.

The current left-wing candidate for Vancouver mayor, Gregor Robertson, named his children Terra, Satchel, Jinagh and Johanna (the last one sounds kind of normal, but it's probably after the Bob Dylan song or the daughter from Sweeney Todd or something). I'll vote for him, but he wasn't my first choice to lead the left slate into the election. The naming bit was only a small part of it. Still, it just says something to me about a person's judgment and their empathy or lack of it, that they feel it's okay to saddle their children with names they're likely to get teased about.

I feel intolerant for thinking that way, like I'm a reactionary conservative or a smothering nanny-state liberal. (And at the same time!) And I guess "Willow" and "Piper" aren't really unusual names.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Debra on September 01, 2008, 07:30:19 AM
You know I don't really give a shit who had the baby or really for that part what they are named.

Mike and Debra are fairly normal common names and yet Mike got Michael Michael motorcycle and I De-bra. Still do sometimes by particularly inventive idiots.

And I was raised by my grandparents after being born to a teenage mother, so if that makes them all fucked up ...then I guess my family and I are all fucked up too.

What I care about is that the republican party and it's blogging supporters who all told Hilary to make sandwiches and iron shirts and how women were voting with their vaginas and not their brains and how feminazi sisterhood was more important to them than leadership qualities are now touting this woman as a saviour.

A saviour who doesn't believe in women's rights thereby closing not opening doors behind her. A saviour who beleives in religous coopting of politics and that everyone is free to hold their own beliefs as long as they are the same as hers. A saviour that has longtime women haters asking why feminazis aren't acting in sisterhood to support this woman.

And if those who are disappointed in Hilary's loss are giving any thought whatsoever to voting for this woman they have seriously lost their fucking minds.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 01, 2008, 08:09:21 AM
Quote from: Debra
What I care about is that the republican party and it's blogging supporters who all told Hilary to make sandwiches and iron shirts and how women were voting with their vaginas and not their brains and how feminazi sisterhood was more important to them than leadership qualities are now touting this woman as a saviour.

A saviour who doesn't believe in women's rights thereby closing not opening doors behind her. A saviour who beleives in religous coopting of politics and that everyone is free to hold their own beliefs as long as they are the same as hers. A saviour that has longtime women haters asking why feminazis aren't acting in sisterhood to support this woman.

Yup. Closing the doors behind her that had been opened for her by others.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 01, 2008, 08:22:30 AM
Debra hits a home run!   :applause:

From Attaturk at FDL (http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/01/nice-vetting/):

   
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2006 Alaska Primary Questionnaire Sent out by the Eagle Forum,

    11. Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?

    Sarah Palin : Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance

Heh. Even I knew that the pledge is C19 (written in 1892, so it's almost C20). And the words "under God" were inserted in ... 1954, in the midst of the Red Scare.

That is the problem. Karl Rove is attempting to put another pod person, another Monica Goodling, in place so that the evil genii of the Repubs can carry on with the destruction begun by Dick Cheney.

I think it's entirely possible that that family have a happy home life. They sure look happy to me, including the daughter who is being gossiped about. We will probably never know, and who cares? At the same time, Palin herself in political terms is a bot. That we can know about and investigate; the rest of it don't matter.

And the netroots are strong enough now, I believe, that we don't need to kowtow to conventional thinking or suspicion or paranoia. Screw the em ess em. Fight from your strength. We'll never have any if we don't insist on that.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 01, 2008, 09:41:31 AM
Finding out about Alaska politics is interesting. Here's a column (http://alaskareport.com/news98/x61580_shannyn_moore.htm) by a born and bred Alaskan woman.

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ohn McCain came in 4th place during the Republican Primary. His disregard of the US Constitution trumps his service. The national media has said Sarah and McCain are both Mavericks. A maverick in Washington wouldn't have voted lock step with George Bush. To be a Maverick Republican in Alaska all you have to do is not be indicted or sitting in jail for selling your vote. For all the inexperience or judgment questions I have on Palin's policies, she's too good for him. You can put all the sugar on a turd pie that you want....John McCain will still be a turd pie.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 01, 2008, 01:47:19 PM
Well, this (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/31/palin-laughs-as-opponent_n_122776.html) is a short clip, but it really does make me think that Palin., however ambitious she might be, is accustomed to deferring to loud-mouthed men. There may be more to the Alaskan politics angle...
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Berlynn on September 01, 2008, 02:16:40 PM
Statement by the US National Organization of Women re: Palin (http://www.now.org/press/08-08/08-29.html)

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Gov. Palin may be the second woman vice-presidential candidate on a major party ticket, but she is not the right woman. Sadly, she is a woman who opposes women's rights, just like John McCain.

Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: vmichel on September 01, 2008, 05:30:48 PM
Tx for the link Berlynn. Interesting that she stated she would "choose life" if her daughter faced a pregnancy out of rape.

Her family is none of my business, but I would feel so much better about this whole Bristol thing if we knew that these decisions were Bristol's and not mom's.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 01, 2008, 05:56:39 PM
I'd feel less weird if the whole entire Palin/Bristol/choose life thing didn't come off as an elaborately orchestrated series of possible coincidences that seem easy enough to prove or disprove, but that instead boggle my formerly evangelical mind.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: vmichel on September 01, 2008, 06:12:15 PM
Brebis:  :D
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Catchfire on September 01, 2008, 07:06:07 PM
I agree with everything that has been said about Sarah Palin so far. But for some reason, the fact that she is Republican is giving Macho democrat partisan 'wits' free reign to unleash their latent misogyny. On the 'Daily Show', in an otherwise decent segment, Jon Stewart (after eroticizing Palin with comparisons to various female celebrities and a sexy librarian) mocked her high-pitched voice in a clip Palin was vowing to smash the 'glass ceiling'. And fucking Bill Maher (http://impolitical.blogspot.com/2008/09/bill-maher-on-sarah-palin.html) (from Impolitical) ridiculed her for being a 'hockey mom' (classist and sexist?) called her a 'stewardess' and then, unbelievably, a 'MILF'. If he had said the whole acronym, he would have been booted off television (again).
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: lagatta on September 01, 2008, 07:37:50 PM
And anti-northernist! What on earth is wrong with being a hockey mom? (or mum).

Though alas hereabouts the poorest dads and mums have less chance to get their kids playing hockey - far from the times of the "Greats" with bad teeth and poor educations, when it was a way out for proletarian and farm kids, it seems to take a modicum of $$$ nowadays. :( The main arena in my neighbourhood has been closed for quite a while now, awaiting repairs.

As for the dowdy hairdo, I'm sure they'll have her "relooked". But not too much, as she has to appeal to rural areas suspicious of urban culture.

The problem is not that she hunts moose or caribou; the problem is that she wants to destroy the Alaskan flora and fauna for a quick buck, and enslave women.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 01, 2008, 07:42:40 PM
Bill Maher, yuck.

But, Catchfire, her supporters are calling her a 'milf' (and I hadda ask what that meant). I'm horribly conflicted over this. She was nominated out of sheer tokenism. Just because she is a woman. So, as a token woman, her looks do matter (if she were plain, would she have been nominated?), her parenting/family does matter (if she were a Condi-like familyless career woman, would she have been nominated?), all her womanly ways matter. And isn't it a gorgeous Rovian coup that when her opponents say so, there's the misogynist gotcha?

It's fucking fiendish.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 01, 2008, 09:02:52 PM
Witty and politically brave as he can be in many ways, Maher can also be the most disgusting misogynist around, so there's that.

But Palin calls herself a "hockey mom," and the MILF thing comes from her supporters.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: deBeauxOs on September 01, 2008, 10:49:51 PM
From Mother Jones (http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/09/9517_sarah_palin_daughter_bristol_baby.html):
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.... Second, imagine if any thing of this sort had happened on the Democratic side. Wouldn't social conservatives be expressing frothy outrage? Or at least implying outrage? I'm reminded of how Newt Gingrich used to try to exploit whatever was in the news to depict the Democrats as the party of family and societal dysfunction. During the 1992 convention, he said, "Woody Allen having nonincest with a nondaughter to whom he was a nonfather because they were a nonfamily fits the Democratic platform perfectly." ....

An out-of-wedlock birth ain't murder; still, it does not take much imagination to conceive how right-wingers would use such a family matter should it happen to a Democrat.

Third, bloggers and webbies will, no doubt, continue to pursue the original rumor. Fine. But they ought not dump unproved allegations onto the Internet. There is a place for decency on the Internet--even if the overall mission is aimed at undoing the work of an administration that misled the nation into war. ....
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Holly Stick on September 02, 2008, 01:29:39 AM
A couple of articles I tried to post the other night:

Palin and Feminists For Life (http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/53912.html)

Palin and the bridge project (http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/53907.html)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Catchfire on September 02, 2008, 05:55:24 AM
Fiendish is absolutely the right word. But I don't think they're tricking liberal pundits like Maher into showing their misogyny, if anything, it shows what these elite frat boys were really thinking and feeling all along, with the Clinton campaign for example, and they now believe they have license to let it all out because this woman also happens to be a republican. To me, it shows what they have in common with the republicans, not that they've fallen for a 'gotcha' trick.

And yes, Palin calls herself a 'hockey mom', but she uses it as a term of pride, and Maher is clearly dismissive and derisory. Like, how could a mom be VP? (As someone pointed out elsewhere, of the four candidates, she is the only one with any executive political experience.) He used 'stewardess' in the same way. And as for 'MILF', I don't care who uses it. It's one of the most disgusting things you can say about a female politician. And Democrats, even 'political comedians' should know better.

That said, she's a demon of a candidate. Tokenistic, offensive and dangerous.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Debra on September 02, 2008, 06:10:49 AM
I agree Catchfire. MILF is a terribly derogatory term and that her supporters use it says much about how the GOP sees women.

And though this
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That said, she's a demon of a candidate. Tokenistic, offensive and dangerous.
is bang on Canadian progressives and American progressives alike need to recognize that some forms of "reaction" should just be off the table as a given.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 02, 2008, 06:49:30 AM
You're right, Debra. I wish these progressives would be smart enough to realise that not only is a choice like Palin a huge ploy to bring in the evangelical, anti-abortion vote (which was otherwise very lukewarm at best to McCain), their frat-boy or elitist commentary only shores up that support even more. AND shows them up as being a kind of sexist that is no nicer than the evangelical and other right-wing variant.

And to recognise that this is proving to be a great diversionary tactic, as usual. I have been diverted myself, but on the other hand I do recognise this as the ploy I described above, therefore not inconsequential in terms of a segment of the popular vote.

I am dismayed that as soon as the Republicans made their first choice of a woman on their ballot, pregnancy and babies have been the focus of the campaign. Women in politics shouldn't have to be genderless and sexless, but this is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 02, 2008, 07:54:06 AM
Bill Maher on feminism (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z8j4QJ0oiY&feature=related) (courtesy Croggy in another thread)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: transplant on September 02, 2008, 11:46:21 AM
Palin once member of Alaska secessionist party

Members of 'fringe' Alaskan independence party say Palin was a member in the '90s (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: lagatta on September 02, 2008, 01:23:24 PM
Unlike the nice people in Vermont, the Alaskans seem to be a very rightwing bunch indeed, for privatisations and homeschooling to appeal to the religious nutter faction: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaskan_Independence_Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaskan_Independence_Party)

I don't feel like ploughing through a lot of sites on this crew, but I haven't seen anything on the question of Aboriginal rights.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: transplant on September 02, 2008, 01:50:02 PM
Palin:  the war in Iraq is a task from God (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Berlynn on September 02, 2008, 07:35:13 PM
Good piece from AlterNet (http://www.alternet.org/election08/96989/)

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An Ex-Beauty Queen for VP: Political Risk or Political Genius?

With no foreign policy experience and a political resume that could fit on my pinky fingernail, Sarah Palin is an absurd choice for vice president. Yet it should come as no surprise to the public -- especially to Democrats -- that John McCain chose her anyway.

That's because the very issues that Democrats say make her a political risk -- her newness to the political world stage, her anti-choice stance, her opposition to gay marriage, her support of capital punishment, her disregard for the environment -- matter very little in determining the outcome of elections. Voters -- some of whom dissect policy issues daily, but most of whom don't -- ultimately cast their ballots based on emotion. Not logic. Not knowledge of "the issues."
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 02, 2008, 07:44:17 PM
Palin slashed funding for teen moms (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/02/palin_slashed_funding_to_help.html?hpid=artslot).
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: lagatta on September 02, 2008, 07:47:59 PM
I thought this was an interesting article from the Guardian: Palin case highlights teenage pregnancy (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7593735.stm)

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The US is said to have one of the worst annual rates of teenage pregnancies in the developed world.
According to a report by Population Action International, published at the end of last year, there were 44 births per 1,000 women aged 15-19 in the US for 2000-2005.
This compares with figures in the UK - itself said to be the country with the worst teenage pregnancy rate in Europe - of 27 births per 1,000 women aged 15-19.
Put differently, America is estimated to have some 750,000 teenage pregnancies a year.
   
 Despite the continuous declines, the US teenage pregnancy rate is still among the highest among industrialised nations  

And Palin, of course, is opposed to sex education.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 02, 2008, 08:32:19 PM
Reliable sources tell me that Palin even made up the Miss Congeniality story.

I really think that this candidacy has jumped the shark.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 02, 2008, 09:08:05 PM
Link?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 02, 2008, 09:31:01 PM
I don't have a link except for comments at emptywheel. She and her FDL cohorts have been reading everything, as I haven't. I've probably missed whatever link there was. But if they're saying so, it's so.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on September 02, 2008, 09:45:32 PM
Quote from: skdadl
I really think that this candidacy has jumped the shark.
:lol:
I kinda thought so with the first teevee look at her, it was definitely the 'Elaine' look that told me that.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: lagatta on September 02, 2008, 09:46:46 PM
Who is Elaine?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on September 02, 2008, 09:48:03 PM
Seinfeld
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: deBeauxOs on September 02, 2008, 10:11:49 PM
(http://content.mahalo.com/images/d/dc/Julia_LouisDreyfus_as_Elaine_Benes_AH_2048.png)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: transplant on September 02, 2008, 11:04:31 PM
Quote from: skdadl
Reliable sources tell me that Palin even made up the Miss Congeniality story.

I read that today, too. The reliable source was supposedly the contestant that was actually named Miss Congeniality.  ;)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 03, 2008, 07:33:28 AM
I still don't have a link, but here's a source:

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ALASKA PIPELINE: Amy Gwin, 43, of University City, grew up in Alaska and competed in the Miss Wasilla, Alaska, competition in 1984 against GOP vice presidential choice Sarah Palin. Gwin said Friday that she won the Miss Congeniality award in the competition, although Palin’s Wikipedia entry says she won the contest — and the Miss Congeniality award. Gwin was a year behind Palin, now 44, at Wasilla High School, which had about 800 students. Gwin said Palin was “a high school star in a good way,” a beauty who got good grades and excelled at athletics. Gwin, who was president of her class, does not recall Palin holding school office. The Wikipedia entry on Palin said she was head of the school’s Fellowship of Christian Athletes and captain of the basketball team. Gwin said she was not surprised when Palin became the governor of Alaska, but is astonished that she got the GOP nod for vice president. Asked whether she would support Palin because she knows her, Gwin said: “I wouldn’t support her if she was my very best friend. I support Obama and don’t share any of her (Palin’s) politics. She’s very shallow.”

 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: transplant on September 03, 2008, 11:16:51 AM
Palin wasn't interviewed until day before VP offer (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/02/AR2008090203462.html?hpid=topnews)

WaPo:
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Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin was not subjected to a lengthy in-person background interview with the head of Sen. John McCain's vice presidential vetting team until last Wednesday in Arizona, the day before McCain asked her to be his running mate, and she did not disclose the fact that her 17-year-old daughter was pregnant until that meeting, two knowledgeable McCain officials acknowledged Tuesday.

What a train wreck. :popcorn
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Berlynn on September 03, 2008, 11:27:09 AM
from alternet

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8 More Shocking Revelations About Sarah Palin (http://www.alternet.org/election08/97350/?page=entire)

8: Lied About Foreign Travel

In an attempt to inflate her non-existant foreign policy credentials, Palin's spokespeople stated shortly after her nomination that she had travelled to Germany, Kuwait, and Ireland: you know, the three countries most likely to give rise to catastrophic national security emergencies in the next four years.

But not only is Palin's travel history unimpressive, it was also being blatantly misrepesented. According Jim Aravois an Irish blogger has just revealed that Palin was in Ireland for a brief refueling layover.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 03, 2008, 11:37:26 AM
That one is funny, eh? Landing at Shannon is sort of like landing for refueling at Goose Bay.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Catchfire on September 03, 2008, 11:41:20 AM
It's hilarious. And terrifying that someone who wants to rule the most powerful nation on earth thinks that visiting Ireland, even leaving the airport, qualifies as foreign affairs experience.

Jon Stewart showed a clip from Fox News where someone asserted that, since Alaska was geographically close to Russia, Palin is well-equipped to deal with them. It boggles the mind.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 03, 2008, 11:51:08 AM
What a buncha elitists y'all are.  ;)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 03, 2008, 11:53:03 AM
Got this from Dr. Prole at JJ's. Apparently, the area Palin comes from is famous for its Matanuska Thunderfuck (http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/9/3/9330/95523/107#c107). :stoner
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Berlynn on September 03, 2008, 12:03:11 PM
:rotfl:

hey, sarah, pass that over this way, i need a hit :stonerflak

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 03, 2008, 03:39:24 PM
Washington Post: (http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/susan_brooks_thistlethwaite/2008/09/palin_is_she_subject_to_her_hu.html)

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Palin: Is She Subject to Her Husband?

"Wives be subject to your husbands, as unto the Lord." So says the Christian scriptures in Ephesians, 5:22. What I would like to know, first of all, is who is going to have the final authority as Vice-President if Sarah Palin is elected, Palin or her husband? In fact, I think the first order of business with Palin is to ask her to give the same kind of speech that was demanded of John F. Kennedy re his Catholicism. Kennedy said he would obey the Constitution over the Pope. Will Palin obey the Constitution over her husband?


Interesting question, yes?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 03, 2008, 03:52:59 PM
I don't think it is. The columnist answered that in her column: in matters of the family she's subject to him. In matters of the country, she'll be subject to whomever tells her what to do, i.e. McCain. For one thing, she's no Cheney.

I think the "secular left" is going to have to modify some of its rhetoric, and be more focused regarding Palin. There are too many reckless accusations being thrown around. Or it could just let the Republican party tear itself apart over her, because the more attacks she gets from outside the party, the more the religious vote will circle the wagons around her.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Antonia on September 03, 2008, 04:10:16 PM
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Palin: Is She Subject to Her Husband?

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In the aftermath of the Walt Monegan firing, one question keeps surfacing over and over again; why does the governor's husband, Todd Palin appear to hold so much power?
After all, Nancy Murkowski or Susan Knowles were never accused of pressuring a commissioner or inappropriately sitting in on meetings that should have been private.
The stories started last year when Representative Ralph Samuels told me about going into a meeting, he thought would be private, with Governor Sarah Palin. Much to his surprise, Todd Palin was there and proceeded to sit through the entire meeting.
Other lawmakers have shared similar stories and were shocked at how inappropriate Todd's presence was at meetings with the governor. Yesterday on the Dan Fagan Show, Representative Jay Ramras mentioned that Todd was working lawmakers offices during the ACES debate.
But more importantly, Todd's fingerprints on trying to impact personnel decisions appear to go beyond the current scandal revolving around State Trooper Mike Wooten.
Consider the story of one of Governor Palin's former trusted advisors, John Bitney.
Bitney grew up with the governor, often telling the story of being in the same band class. He served as her Issues Coordinator during her successful gubernatorial campaign in 2006, spokesman for her transition team after the election and on December 1, 2006 he was named her Legislative Liaison.
Bitney was respected as a hard worker by people who knew him and worked with him. In six months, Bitney guided the governor's policies through the legislature, including her hallmark legislation; AGIA.
But John Bitney made the fatal employment mistake; he got on the bad side of Todd Palin.
In June of 2007, it became known that Bitney was dating the soon to be ex-wife of Todd Palin's good friend. Palin reportedly began demanding that Bitney be fired.
After a short time, Bitney realized that he couldn't remain in the governor's office due to the constant pressure and he worked out a deal with Chief of Staff Mike Tibbles to take a transfer to another department.
On July 3, Bitney was in the process of driving his vehicle back to Juneau when he couldn't get his state issued Blackberry to work. When he arrived in Tok he called his office and was told that his Blackberry had been turned off and that his name had been removed from the state employee directory.
His call was then transferred into Tibbles who told him the proposal they talked about was a no deal and the governor ordered him fired immediately. John Bitney was never given a reason why he was fired and never given a chance to make a graceful exit.

http://www.andrewhalcro.com/ (http://www.andrewhalcro.com/)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Antonia on September 03, 2008, 04:50:56 PM
:rotfl:

[youtube:2aq8s2f4][/youtube:2aq8s2f4]

I can't use this because of the swearing but anybody else, go for it. (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/212920.php)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 03, 2008, 05:24:59 PM
Ok, Antonia: which word is the problem? "Bummed" or "bullshit"?   :mrgreen:

The Star won't let you type "bullshit"? I mean, I almost never swear, but I would let you type "bullshit," although I might dispute genuine bullshit, if you see what I mean.

ETA: Great catch.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: transplant on September 03, 2008, 05:50:08 PM
Quote from: skdadl
ETA: Great catch.

Huffington Post is headlining it:
Peggy Noonan, Mike Murphy Caught On Tape Disparaging Palin Choice: "It's Over," "Political Bullshit," "Gimmicky" (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/03/peggy-noonan-mike-murphy_n_123647.html)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Berlynn on September 03, 2008, 08:24:39 PM
just listened to the cbc radio one news at 6 report about the repugs convention.  not a word about the more than 300 arrested outside the convention centre or the police brutality in the arrests and the jails, but a few questions about palin and her pregnant daughter who was with her on the tarmac holding hands with her boyfriend, levi, as they awaited mcsame.

i couldn't help feeling that it's a sham, a scam--that the pregnant daughter is not really pregnant...

it's the same kind of feeling i had when i sat on a bus traveling from regina to vancouver and i learned that planes had flown into the twin towers and i said, ''george bush did it.''
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: peppermint on September 03, 2008, 09:30:16 PM
Lots of buzz that one of her first acts as mayor of Wasilla was to call up the librarian to ask about banning books. When the librarian was unsupportive, Palin fired her. People complained, and she got her job back, but that's sort of beside the point.  

  The whole family thing is fairly besides the point.  I feel bad about her children being used as political footballs, but thats how they play the game in the States. The more I hear about  PAlin's own actions, the more horrible a choice she seems.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Berlynn on September 04, 2008, 12:56:47 AM
That Noonan and Murphy piece is good.  The analysis I can buy into is this:

Quote
PN: The most qualified? No! I think they went for this -- excuse me-- political bullshit about narratives --

CT: Yeah they went to a narrative.

MM: I totally agree.

PN: Every time the Republicans do that, because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at, they blow it.

And it has me thinking about the narrative the Harpocrites are trying to sell...but that's for a different thread, I guess...
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 04, 2008, 05:52:06 AM
Well, for my sins, I watched the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCDxXJSucF4) -- forty-five minutes of my life, yadda yadda.

That's one mean momma. She doesn't quite have Cheney's snarl, but she makes that mean sneering face over and over again as the speech goes along. That's no ingenue, and at least everyone knows that now. Joe Biden can stop worrying about having to be chivalrous. She took the gloves off, and I'd say she is now fair game for anyone, although Obama will doubtless continue to try to keep to the high road.

She's also definitely a sit-com-level actress. I don't see the Elaine thing quite so much as the Karen thing (Will and Grace). She really reminds me of Karen. The delivery is smooth but loud and smartmouth, and exceptionally self-satisfied. There will be sexist comments because she is a stereotype -- she obviously chose to make herself into one.

Watch McCain at the end. The guy is very close to being disoriented. It's also pretty obvious that there's no connection at all between him and Palin. You don't see hostility, just forced politeness. I know there are people who will fall for this act because they want to, but man, it's a tacky show.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 04, 2008, 06:37:45 AM
I did not feel like losing that 45 minutes of sleep, but I am glad you did skdadl.  ;)
While on one hand, I find her candidacy mildly demoralising because of the way it plays so cleverly to the religious reich, possibly picking up some extra segments of the population along the way, I'd also love to see signs that the GOP is tearing itself apart with this. The unholy alliance of neo-cons and evangelicals has gone on for way too long; something has to give. I'd love to see it go up in a spectacular fashion, as they so richly deserve.
Can I pray for that? :twisted:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: kuri on September 04, 2008, 09:17:40 AM
Quote from: Catchfire
Jon Stewart showed a clip from Fox News where someone asserted that, since Alaska was geographically close to Russia, Palin is well-equipped to deal with them. It boggles the mind.

This one is driving a friend crazy. She isn't sure whether to be more incensed that geographical proximity makes one a foreign policy expert or that Russia is the only foreign country near Alaska. (Canada is not really foreign.)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 04, 2008, 10:23:51 AM
You have to see the McCain/Palin spoof at Runesmith's. (http://runesmith.blogspot.com/2008/09/green-shift-shift-sarah-palin-and.html) It's too funny, and kind of a demonstration of the actress meme.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 04, 2008, 10:36:42 AM
Oh, look! The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2008/sep/04/sarahpalin.uselections2008) has a whole list of Palin spoofs already up all over the place. Sara Benincasa is a hoot.

This could be the way to go.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Berlynn on September 04, 2008, 10:45:23 AM
Well, that first one was certainly good!  TY, skdadl.

Here's AlterNet's report (http://www.alternet.org/election08/97529/?page=entire) on her speech.

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After several days of silence, Palin introduced herself to America as the newest GOP attack dog. She alternately wrapped herself in what she described as all-American small-town values and engaged in nasty smear tactics -- belittling Democrats, mischaracterizing Obama and insulting Americans, who she and her campaign speechwriters must think will not have enough sense to see past such a thin veil.

Palin established the confrontation tone early in her speech by deriding "pollsters and pundits" who "wrote off" Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), the Republican nominee, early in his presidential campaign for supporting a troop surge in Iraq. She then introduced her family, praised her rural upbringing and experience in local and state government, and concluded -- in a departure from reality -- that her brief political resume qualified her to serve as vice president.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 04, 2008, 10:56:26 AM
She also kind of channels a bit of Frances McDormand doing the seven-month pregnant cop in Fargo. Except I liked that character...
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: deBeauxOs on September 04, 2008, 10:59:24 AM
Quote from: brebis noire
... While on one hand, I find her candidacy mildly demoralising because of the way it plays so cleverly to the religious reich ...
religious reich.  eh, I like that.  
 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Berlynn on September 04, 2008, 11:10:18 AM
Queen of the Alaskan Frontier (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwRnOHsRS48) is good for a laugh.  Fun way to spend my pre-caffeine time, watching these spoofs.  But I might start shaking if I don't get some in me soon! ;)

ETA ,
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on September 04, 2008, 12:54:24 PM
This is tacky fun. Now McSame threatens legal action against National Enquirer  :lol:
Only the NE?

Palin fights rumours she had an affair with hubby's business partner (http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1052404/Sex-slur-hits-pitbull-lipstick--Palin-forced-fight-claims-affair.html)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 04, 2008, 01:42:58 PM
Hm. I wonder if an anti-choice, anti-contraception woman compromises her views when fucking a man not her husband.

Toe, the National Inquirer was right on Edwards. Let's hope they're right again.  ;)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 04, 2008, 03:12:20 PM
A lot of people have already picked up on Palin's sneers at "community organizers" as racist dog-whistles, which they no doubt are. If only FDL/EW were not timing out on us right now, I could tell you more than that, but man, they've got their tech problems there. Is very frustrating.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 04, 2008, 03:20:52 PM
Well that's very interesting. I heard the whistle, but didn't get the meaning, so to speak. I'm wondering if Palin even knew that herself...she might not, as I'm presuming the speech was carefully written for her and she basically just acted it out with those cute little sneers placed here and there.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: k'in on September 04, 2008, 04:08:11 PM
Maybe she should try sneering at George HW Bush too...I mean, back in 1989 it was cool (http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/presiden/inaug/bush.htm) to be a community organizer.. :roll:

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I have spoken of a thousand points of light, of all the community organizations that are spread like stars throughout the Nation, doing good.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Mandos on September 04, 2008, 04:24:38 PM
That went out with the hairdos.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 04, 2008, 05:10:20 PM
Quote from: k'in
Maybe she should try sneering at George HW Bush too...I mean, back in 1989 it was cool (http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/presiden/inaug/bush.htm) to be a community organizer.. :roll:

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I have spoken of a thousand points of light, of all the community organizations that are spread like stars throughout the Nation, doing good.

What a valuable memory. Thank you, k'in. I shall credit you. But it's too late today. I wish people (other people I needed as sources) wouldn't have tech problems during the hours I'm actually functional.  :evil:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Berlynn on September 04, 2008, 07:09:23 PM
I think I got this (http://thebruceblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/palinqueen.jpg) from someone on PAR-L.  I zoomed in on it and could see no basic evidence of the photo being tampered with.  This, imo, is a picture of the woman who has the potential to be only a heartbeat away from being the most powerful person in the world.
  :yuk

ETA:  This, by Steinem (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-steinem4-2008sep04,0,7541303.story) and this, by Dee Dee Myers (http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2008/08/sarah-palin-the-doublex-dan-quayle.html) also courtesy PAR-L.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: pogge on September 04, 2008, 07:21:38 PM
Quote from: Berlynn
I think I got this (http://thebruceblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/palinqueen.jpg) from someone on PAR-L.

The original is here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/doctorcasino/208036176/).
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on September 04, 2008, 07:30:40 PM
I picked this up from another site:

Palin On Abortion: I’d Oppose Even If My Own Daughter Was Raped
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/0 ... 22924.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/palin-on-abortion-id-oppo_n_122924.html)

Palin Wanted To Ban Books
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/02/ ... ban-books/ (http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/02/palin-wanted-to-ban-books/)

Palin believes that the occupation of Iraq is “a task that is from God.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/0 ... 23205.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html)

Clearly this woman is completely unhinged and could possibly be the Prez of the Failed States.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Berlynn on September 04, 2008, 07:42:51 PM
I'm certainly not an expert, that's for sure!  Still, to my eyes, with the documents viewed at 16 to 1, what you say is the original is the one that looks photoshopped!

That's some hotshot photoshoppin' dood!
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: pogge on September 04, 2008, 08:12:11 PM
FWIW, Snopes say mine is the original and the one with Palin is the fraud (http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/palin.asp).
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Antonia on September 04, 2008, 09:14:54 PM
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Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin attended five colleges in six years before graduating from the University of Idaho in 1987.

Federal privacy laws prohibit the schools from disclosing her grades, and none of the schools contacted by The Associated Press could say why she transferred. There was no indication any of them were contacted as part of the background investigation of Palin by presidential candidate John McCain's campaign.

"Our office was not contacted by anyone," said Tania Thompson, spokeswoman for the University of Idaho in Moscow.

Palin, the governor of Alaska, was born in Idaho. Her family moved when she was only a few months old to Alaska, where she was raised.

She began college at Hawaii Pacific University, a private, nonsectarian school in Honolulu. She attended only as a freshman during the fall of 1982, school spokeswoman Crystale Lopez said.

Then known as Sarah Louise Heath, she was in the business administration program as a full-time student, Lopez said.

"We're trying to track down someone who knew her," Lopez added.

From Hawaii Pacific, Palin transferred to North Idaho College, a two-year school in Coeur d'Alene, about 30 miles east of Spokane. She attended the college as a general studies major for two semesters, in spring 1983 and fall 1983, spokeswoman Stacy Hudson said.

"We were not able to track down club affiliations or anything," Hudson said.

The school identified one of her professors but he did not remember her, Hudson said.

Prior to her selection by McCain, the North Idaho College Alumni Association notified Palin in June she would be the recipient of its 2008-2009 Distinguished Alumni of the Year Award.

From North Idaho College, Palin transferred 70 miles south to the University of Idaho, the state's flagship institution. She majored in journalism with an emphasis in broadcast news. She attended Idaho, whose mascot is the Vandals, from fall 1984 to spring 1985.

She then returned to Alaska to attend Matanuska-Susitna College in Palmer in fall 1985.

Then she returned to Idaho, for spring 1986, fall 1986 and spring 1987, when she graduated. Despite her journalism degree, she does not appear to have worked for the college newspaper or campus television station, school officials said. She worked briefly as a sportscaster for KTUU in Anchorage after she graduated college.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld) ... 4051.story
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 04, 2008, 09:19:35 PM
They can't even track her through Campus for Christ or the Navigators or something?

Anyways, doesn't sound like she was doing any community organising...
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Antonia on September 04, 2008, 09:22:02 PM
“Jesus was a Community Organizer, and Pontias Pilate was a Governor.” (http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/04/palin-palooza-wrap-up/)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 04, 2008, 09:24:09 PM
That is a terrific  line.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on September 04, 2008, 10:52:01 PM
Alaska only has three electoral votes, is that enuf to hinge an election on? Is Alaska a swing vote state? Does anybody know?

I'm still scratching my head on where this person came from and the real reason she was chosen. Other than to pacify the wimmin evangelicals and the huge pro-life crowd within the Repugs. Seriously, I keep expecting to wake up and find that it is not real, that it was really a long trailer for a Disney film starring Julia Louis-Dreyfus as the Soccer Mom who Becomes President (as someone suggested somewhere). My head hurts.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Mandos on September 04, 2008, 11:36:52 PM
The Palin pick was perfect, IMO, or at least the best McCain could have done under the circumstances.  It was good for a lot of reasons, not least as a visual symbol of sympathy with Clinton supporters who might feel that the party brass railroaded Hillary's candidacy out the door as hard as they could.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: John_D on September 05, 2008, 05:42:35 AM
Quote from: Toedancer
Alaska only has three electoral votes, is that enuf to hinge an election on? Is Alaska a swing vote state? Does anybody know?

Alaska is definitely not a swing state - it has voted Republican every time except once (1964), and usually by wide margins. Last time it went 61-35% for Bush. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Alaska,_2004)

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"Our office was not contacted by anyone," said Tania Thompson, spokeswoman for the University of Idaho in Moscow.

At least now we know why they claim Palin has experience dealing with the Russians...
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 05, 2008, 09:29:42 AM
Anybody heard when the media will be allowed to question Palin?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 05, 2008, 10:01:49 AM
One answer. (http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/11628.html)

More answers. (http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/05/mccain-palin-playing-media-chicken-with-the-publics-interest/)

From Sadly, No:

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This is very, very, very dangerous. What Wallace is doing isn’t merely criticizing the behavior of the media — which everyone justifiably does — but rather attacks the idea that the media should exist at all. She wants to run a campaign where the American public only sees propaganda and never gets the contrary view. Ye gods, this is a dangerous and authoritarian mindset. If the media allow themselves to be bullied and if they stop asking questions because they fear that they’ll be tarred as “liberals,” then our democracy is truly dead.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: deBeauxOs on September 05, 2008, 10:10:04 AM
Not surprising.  Isn't that just the way Stevie has run his media campaign - through propaganda and no unscripted media contact?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 05, 2008, 10:36:41 AM
Over at the Freaks, there's this link to the Drudge Report (http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3os.htm).

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Oprah Winfrey may have introduced Democrat Barack Obama to the women of America -- but the talkshow queen is not rushing to embrace the first woman on a Republican presidential ticket!

Oprah's staff is sharply divided on the merits of booking Sarah Palin, sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT.

"Half of her staff really wants Sarah Palin on," an insider explains. "Oprah's website is getting tons of requests to put her on, but Oprah and a couple of her top people are adamantly against it because of Obama."


Which, of course, is the cue for all the Freaks to call Oprah a racist and a bigot.

I'd love to see Sarah with Oprah.  :twisted:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 05, 2008, 12:59:40 PM
Waiting for the Schadenfreude (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/here-we-go.html):

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Todd Palin's former business partner files an emergency motion to have his divorce papers sealed.

Sorry -- I can't get the source Sullivan is linking to to come in, which may be because it is now being hit from all over the place ...   :popcorn
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on September 05, 2008, 01:18:06 PM
It's over loaded! Scott Richter may be Trigg's daddy? Oh noes, not another whose your daddy? She could control the records in Alaska couldn't she? where she flew back to have him.

oh wait 2lesbosgoinatit sez the judge denied the motion (http://2lesbosgoinatit.wordpress.com/)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: k'in on September 05, 2008, 03:15:31 PM
the most recent entry at Andrew Sullivan's link is:

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09/04/2008     Order Denying Motion Case Motion #3: Motion to Make Case File Confidential

 :popcorn
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 05, 2008, 03:58:10 PM
Can anyone analyze this? (http://news.spreadit.org/scott-richter-palintodd-palin-business-partner-emergency-motion/)

 :popcorn
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: transplant on September 05, 2008, 04:31:13 PM
Quote from: skdadl
Can anyone analyze this?

It's being reported elsewhere that the motion has been denied.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 05, 2008, 04:35:23 PM
Oh, well, that was already reported here. I was just wondering whether any leagle beagles could extract more information from that badly designed bit of data than I can.

Lawyers really should have to go to editor/design school.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 05, 2008, 05:30:59 PM
A preliminary cast of characters (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/5/04851/95453/373/587455)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 05, 2008, 05:39:51 PM
:popcorn

There's a woman in my mother's condo who hails from Alaska. A while ago, mother asked: 'What do you do in Alaska during the long winter dark?' A: 'Fuck and drink.'  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: sparqui on September 05, 2008, 07:04:13 PM
In that order fern?  :twisted:  :P
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 05, 2008, 07:25:29 PM
:lol:

Shouldn't cigarettes be in there somewhere?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 05, 2008, 07:31:53 PM
I just report the facts as told to me by my potty-mouthed mother. ;)

We are learning so much about Alaska. I was shocked to read (somewhere) that pot possession was legal in Alaska until 1991 or thereabouts.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 05, 2008, 08:36:48 PM
Palin fascinates European media. (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d9c729e0-7a87-11dd-adbe-000077b07658.html)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: matttbastard on September 05, 2008, 10:21:55 PM
Brace yourselves...

Barbara Amiel on Sarah Palin (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122057410046101771.html?mod=googlenews_wsj).

(h/t Jill (http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/05/fighting-sexism-with-sexism) -- check out the horrified comments in response to Babs...er, being Babs.)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: pookie on September 06, 2008, 12:19:46 AM
A blogging head makes a "bizarrely persuasive" case against the whole teenage pregnancy thing...

http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/14122 (http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/14122) ... &out=15:24

The whole thing is giving me heartburn.  I think that Obama is instinctively hitting the right tone - she is beneath his consideration and only target is McCain.

But man oh man sis boom bah does she have the fundy nutso bigots literally creaming their pants (apologies - don't know how else to PUT it.)

She will drive them into an absolutely frenzy, because it is all underwritten by this enormous silent code about where they will all eventually "end up."

Good news, apparently, Obama has pulled in $10 mil in only 36 hours or something after her speech.

Her avoidance of the media will drive them nuts - hope they don't overreach in the responses.  That said, though, I am just not convinced of her cross-over appeal.

Another interesting comment, from New Republic:

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In exceedingly plain English, I think there's a pretty big who the fuck does she think she is? factor. And not just among us Daily Kos reading, merlot-drinking liberals. I think Palin's speech will be instinctively unappealing to other whole demographics of voters, including particuarly working-class men (among whom there may be a misogyny factor) and professional post-menopausal women. As another of my commentors put it:


[quote:13p699da]Not only does Palin's inexperience trump Obama's... her "otherness" also trumps his. Where she comes from, the way she talks, her bio, lifestyle, and all the moose and caribou stuff... it makes her seem more exotic than Obama, who after all lives in the middle of America and has a life that people can readily understand.

Palin may be just as American as anybody, but she still seems to come from Somewhere Else.

This would be fine... even interesting and appealing... if she weren't attacking. But we have a deep, instinctive aversion to people who are part of us (even if we don't really like them much) being attacked by people we perceive as outsiders. Our instinct is to stiffen up, to protect.

This point may be a little bit overstated, but the fact remains that Barack Obama is extremely well known and Palin is largely unknown, and when that is the case, your perception of the known commodity is more likely to influence your perception of the unknown commodity than the other way around. If there's a certain Italian restaurant that you've been going to for years, and some stranger stops you on the street and tells you that they don't know how to cook their pasta, you're going to think that the stranger is a kook -- not that the restaurant is poor.[/quote:13p699da]

Ah, well, time to sleep and put this out of my head for a while.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: arborman on September 06, 2008, 01:37:41 AM
Quote from: matttbastard
Brace yourselves...

Barbara Amiel on Sarah Palin (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122057410046101771.html?mod=googlenews_wsj).

(h/t Jill (http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/05/fighting-sexism-with-sexism) -- check out the horrified comments in response to Babs...er, being Babs.)

I am astonished.

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American feminists have always had a tough sell to make. To the rest of the world, no females on earth have ever had it as easy as middle-class American women. Cosseted, surrounded by labor-saving devices, easily available contraception and supermarkets groaning with food, their complaints have always seemed to have no relationship to reality.

Education was there for the taking. Marriages were not arranged. Going against social mores had no serious consequences. Postwar American women (excluding those mired in poverty or the odious restrictions of race) have always had the choice of what they wanted to be. They simply didn't decide to exercise it until it became more fashionable to get out of the home than to run it.

I'm thinking she didn't grow up in the same North America my mother did.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Berlynn on September 06, 2008, 01:38:15 AM
Quote from: pookie
But man oh man sis boom bah does she have the fundy nutso bigots literally creaming their pants (apologies - don't know how else to PUT it.)

She will drive them into an absolutely frenzy

 :rotfl:

Will they cum?  

:rotfl:

Will there be a big bump in fundy births in 9 months?

 :rotfl:

Or will they pull out?

 :rotfl:

Sorry folks, I obviously need sleep!
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 06, 2008, 06:18:30 AM
Amiel. Honestly. Overgeneralize much? I wonder how Chandeliergate is going.   :whis:

Latest news on the Palinwatch: You know that line she tossed into her speech about selling the government jet ... on eBay (a nice touch for the other hockey/soccer moms)? Well, it turns out that that depends, as Marc Ambinder (http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/if_at_first_you_dont_succeed_o.php) says, on what the meaning of "sell" is. Shorter: she tried eBay; she failed; she went to a private broker.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: deBeauxOs on September 06, 2008, 08:16:47 AM
Quote from: skdadl
Amiel. Honestly. Overgeneralize much? ....
Amiel's self-projection into Thatcher's struggles and identification with the Iron Dame's downfall is something, though.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: sparqui on September 06, 2008, 05:16:04 PM
This is unbelievably ugly. I caught this a Chet's blog:

Alaskans Speak (In A Frightened Whisper): Palin Is “Racist, Sexist, Vindictive, And Mean” (http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/05/alaskans-speak-in-a-frightened-whisper-palin-is-%E2%80%9Cracist-sexist-vindictive-and-mean%E2%80%9D/)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 06, 2008, 05:33:41 PM
sparqui, I read that at some point today and ended up just sort of wondering about it. I don't know why. I'm sure that a lot of it is true -- it rings true. And yet it's badly sourced, and it's sort of all over the map.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: matttbastard on September 06, 2008, 05:47:08 PM
Quote from: skdadl
sparqui, I read that at some point today and ended up just sort of wondering about it. I don't know why. I'm sure that a lot of it is true -- it rings true. And yet it's badly sourced, and it's sort of all over the map.

The author of the aforementioned piece explains his sourcing and methodology here (http://thepoliticalcurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-and-me.html).

Anne Applebaum: Sarah Palin brings the Hillary Clinton era to an end. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/republicans/2694630/Sarah-Palin-brings-the-Hillary-Clinton-era-to-an-end.html)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 06, 2008, 05:54:15 PM
Quote from: matttbastard
The author of the aforementioned piece explains his sourcing and methodology here (http://thepoliticalcurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-and-me.html).

Unfortunately, not very much, except in terms of his own biography.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Berlynn on September 06, 2008, 05:59:10 PM
Ha!  There is now a Facebook group called We are all community organizers (http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=39955037712).
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 06, 2008, 06:05:34 PM
Heh. I just looked, didn't count, but there must be over a dozen such groups now. "We are all ..." may be the biggest -- would have to check again.

There's also "I have more foreign policy experience than Sarah Palin" (which is ungrammatical, but I might join it anyway).
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Berlynn on September 06, 2008, 06:18:52 PM
Quote from: skdadl
There's also "I have more foreign policy experience than Sarah Palin" (which is ungrammatical, but I might join it anyway).

 :lol:

Start a new one, skdadl, one with a grammatically correct name! The more the better, don't you think?  (Just don't count on me to catch any ungrammaticalliness!)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 06, 2008, 06:25:44 PM
No way I'd start another -- that one has close to 36,000 members!   :mrgreen:

Och, I visit FB maybe once every other week. I join groups sometimes just to send the feed through, hoping others will notice them. I try to check what the friends I respect are joining and often follow along. But then ... I forget for long patches.  :?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: transplant on September 06, 2008, 06:33:09 PM
[quoteAlaskans Speak (In A Frightened Whisper): Palin Is “Racist, Sexist, Vindictive, And Mean”[/quote]

And this is linked to from there: About Sarah Palin (http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/03/about-sarah-palin/)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 06, 2008, 06:53:57 PM
Kilkenny is one of the few who has been willing to put her name to anything, and I have no reason to doubt her. But she's no reporter either, and yet that account has gone viral very quickly. People are just repeating details of that story back and forth to one another. Maybe that's ok, but I dunno ... I'm uncomfortable.

I'm told that the local paper in Juneau is a McClatchy paper. That is good news. And then there's always the Enquirer.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Berlynn on September 06, 2008, 07:27:37 PM
Discomfort is completely understandable, I think.  I mean, the more Palin's demeaned -- and that is what a lot of folks are doing -- the more people will feel sorry for her.  And we know that emotion rules at the ballot box, not reason or thoughtful consideration...

At least that's my discomfort with it.

What's a McClatchy paper?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 06, 2008, 07:35:37 PM
McClatchy bought the Knight Ridder papers in [???] (I'm sure this is all on wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_McClatchy_Company)), and then became very highly respected for their independent reporting on the run-up to the Iraq invasion, especially, but everything else as well.

The thing about them is that they don't have papers in the major-major markets, but they have become tremendously influential via the web as news of the great reporting they do has spread.

Sorry -- I'm writing on the fly right now -- if you want to know more about them fast, one great place to start is the first of Bill Moyers' new shows (is that one year ago or two?). But I gotta go.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Berlynn on September 06, 2008, 11:37:56 PM
ty.  good piece on mcclatchy here (http://www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=3078).
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 07, 2008, 09:50:42 AM
From an Alaskan paper (http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/518512.html), Palin's 'accomplishments' as governor.

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FAILED ABORTION BILLS

This year in Juneau, the state House passed two anti-abortion bills similar to overturned laws: one requiring underage girls to first obtain a parent's consent, and the other banning a rare procedure that some call "partial birth abortion." Critics of the effort said the latter was an attempt at a backdoor ban on all abortion, though legislators who supported it denied that.

"Gov. Palin was ready and willing to sign those bills if they had ever seen the light of day. She made that very, very clear," said Debbie Joslin, president of Eagle Forum Alaska.

Both bills died in the Senate, bottled up in the Judiciary Committee, chaired by Sen. Hollis French, a lawyer and Democrat from Anchorage.

"I felt the bills were unconstitutional," French said.

Palin never pushed him to let the bills go to a vote, he said.

But Senate President Lyda Green, Palin's political rival, did.

"She was twisting my arm on practically a daily basis to get them out of my committee," French said.

The Senate is run by a bipartisan coalition headed by Green.

Talks the talk. Walks the walk? Not so much.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 07, 2008, 05:58:51 PM
Trash (but rich diggin's) from today's long story about the, um, family in the WaPo (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/06/AR2008090603024.html?hpid=topne%C3%83%C2%83%C3%82%C2%83%C3%83%C2%82%C3%82%C2%AF%C3%83%C2%83%C3%82%C2%82%C3%83%C2%82%C3%82%C2%BF%C3%83%C2%83%C3%82%C2%82%C3%83%C2%82%C3%82%C2%BD6%C3%83%C2%83%C3%82%C2%83%C3%83%C2%82%C3%82%C2%AF%C3%83%C2%83%C3%82%C2%82%C3%83%C2%82%C3%82%C2%BF%C3%83%C2%83%C3%82%C2%82%C3%83%C2%82%C3%82%C2%BD%C3%83%C2%83%C3%82%C2%83%C3%83%C2%82%C3%82%C2%AF%C3%83%C2%83%C3%82%C2%82%C3%83%C2%82%C3%82%C2%BF%C3%83%C2%83%C3%82%C2%82%C3%83%C2%82%C3%82%C2%BDhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyhttp://www.washingtonpost.com:80/ac2/wp-dyn?node=admin/registration/register&sub=AR):

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"Wonderful family," said Ben Harrell, who pours the governor her skinny white chocolate latte at the Mocha Moose in Wasilla. "Just cool. Even-flow type of personalities."

Via EW.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: deBeauxOs on September 08, 2008, 11:22:57 AM
And just to inject some context, and perspective: 4 Reasons Sarah Palin Is Making The Media Miss Laura Bush Already (http://gawker.com/5046060/4-reasons-sarah-palin-is-making-the-media-miss-laura-bush-already)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Berlynn on September 08, 2008, 11:45:35 AM
from alternet sarah palin's weird church is part of the jesus camp crowd. (http://www.alternet.org/rights/97939/)

eta this, from writerman, in the comments of the article

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it's tempting and perhaps comforting to regard these rightest, fundamentalist, 'Christians' as misled, deranged or insane, with ideas and practices so extreme that they could never attain power over the rest of us, believers and livers in the rational world.

I believe this is a fundamental mistake. Look at Sarah Palin, she is a product of the religious/politcal extremism and she is moving closer and closer to real power in our society.

I think she is the acceptable face of American religious/political fascism.

One needs to take these people very seriously indeed. The last time a cult/movement like this gain power in a country was in Germany and their leader was another hero/saviour, his name was Adolf Hitler. This is the territory we are entering.

Whilst the hypocrites at the top of the Republican party may think they cynically manipulate and use these people, I believe they are wrong. Giving christo/fascists fast-track to political power, is not only sign of desparation, but a very dangerous and reckless gamble.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: The Hegemo on September 08, 2008, 12:41:40 PM
I was at my parents' house last night, and about the first thing my mother said to me when I arrived was about how much she hates "that woman." She returned to the topic again later.

She voted Hillary in the primary, and although she would never consider voting for McCain, I know she wasn't too excited about Obama. But "that woman" really seems to have lit a fire under her.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 09, 2008, 09:00:54 AM
What gets me is this mix of utter and willful ignorance of science, culture, religion, history, fact, etc...mixed with self-assurance and some kind of political savvy. I watched her on video doing unscripted speeches, and she has this folksy style that's barely intelligible. There's a reason she's not doing interviews and unscripted statements, yet. There's a bit of an Eliza Doolittle thing going on there.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 09, 2008, 09:07:45 AM
Ha! brebis noire, emptywheel titled one of her early posts about Palin Eliza Doolittle, neocon. (http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/03/eliza-doolittle-neocon/)

One of those great-minds moments. Me, I think she's a lot worse than Eliza, though. A lot lot worse, or she could be.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: lagatta on September 09, 2008, 09:19:13 AM
Interesting, but in Shaw's story, Doolittle was anything but wilfully ignorant - she was simply poor and uneducated.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Antonia on September 09, 2008, 11:32:55 AM
How long after January will it take for Laura to dump Dubya? Wanna start a pool?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Mandos on September 09, 2008, 11:42:29 AM
I'm afraid our existing Conrad and Barbara pool has not yet matured, and that being miraculous, I wouldn't lay bets on Laura and George.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: deBeauxOs on September 09, 2008, 11:59:22 AM
Babs.  Who woulda thunk it?  She luvs him.  She really, really luvs him.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 09, 2008, 12:20:06 PM
Sarah Palin's disgusting record on the environment (http://www.alternet.org/environment/97207/sarah_palin%27s_big%2C_sleazy_safari/)

More Republican business as usual.  :evil:

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Her most recent "victory" came on Aug. 26, when Alaska's voters defeated Measure 2, an initiative that would have banned hunting wolves from airplanes for sport.

Palin organized a campaign against Measure 2 and funded it with $400,000 of state money. For most of us, the idea of zooming around in a private airplane over snowbound wilderness just for the chance to spot a terrified wild dog and blow it apart with a high-powered rifle is insane. But there's a whole culture out there in love with the idea. Palin did her part by playing the tired old Alaskan pioneer card, saying that lower-48 naysayers who dared to object to the idea of dive-bombing wildlife didn't "understand rural Alaska."

Alaska isn't really very hard to understand. It consists of a minority that loves the wilderness and an overwhelmingly Republican majority that wants to squeeze all the cash it can get out of the state before the oil dries up, the fish die out and the wildlife disappears. Nowhere else does the Republican formula of manipulating the suckers by playing on their silly hatreds and even sillier vanities play out more clearly than in Alaska.

To get an idea of Palin's core constituency, just go to the home page of Safari Club International, one of the groups that fought hardest against Measure 2 -- and is now gloating loudest over this proud victory.

Even the name is a little skewed -- "safari"? When was the last time you heard that word? Most people are trying hard to forget the "safari" era, when rich white jerks had themselves carried into the African wilderness by nameless black servants, at vast expense, to kill animals they could barely identify.

But for Palin's core constituency, "safari" is still the dream.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: transplant on September 09, 2008, 01:49:20 PM
WaPo: Palin Billed State for Nights Spent at Home (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/08/AR2008090803088.html?hpid=topnews)

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Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has billed taxpayers for 312 nights spent in her own home during her first 19 months in office, charging a "per diem" allowance intended to cover meals and incidental expenses while traveling on state business.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 09, 2008, 04:03:42 PM
LeDaro (http://ledaro.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-and-pork-barrelling.html) has more on Sarah's pork-barrelling.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: transplant on September 09, 2008, 04:40:48 PM
Quote from: fern hill
LeDaro has more on Sarah's pork-barrelling.

Billing for per diem for staying at home isn't pork-barrelling, its outright theft.  :evil:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 09, 2008, 07:02:45 PM
OK, this is just despicable (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-schmeltzer/palins-wasilla-to-rape-vi_b_125047.html).

Quote
In 2000, then-Governor Tony Knowles signed a bill in Alaska that ensured law enforcement around the state would pay for the processing of "Rape Kits" - forensics evidence collected in rape cases. Seemed common sense enough. Knowles noted, correctly, that we don't charge robbery victims the cost of dusting for prints, so why would be charge rape victims the cost of gathering evidence to apprehend their assailant?

Except one little town objected, and had previously refused to foot the bill to solve rape cases - Wasilla, under Mayor Sarah Palin.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: arborman on September 10, 2008, 01:46:14 AM
Quote from: Antonia
How long after January will it take for Laura to dump Dubya? Wanna start a pool?

I had just assumed they would reach behind her back and switch her off.  Given her apparent total absence of facial expression, I thought she was a robot of some sort.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 10, 2008, 07:59:06 AM
Pit Bull Feminism (http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3898/feminism_without_feminism/) and a good summary of the Right's hypocrisy towards working mothers.

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But most of all, Pit Bull Feminism is about exploiting 40 years of activism, lawsuits, legislative changes, and consciousness-raising—all of which you have benefited from—in the hopes of then undoing them all if you manage to get into office.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 10, 2008, 08:21:53 AM
Hard to believe that they might actually be preparing to elect (well, with some cheating along the way) that woman president -- not just veep, president.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 10, 2008, 04:59:21 PM
The Jewish Week (http://www.thejewishweek.com/viewArticle/c39_a13405/News/International.html):

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"Governor Palin scares the hell out of me,” Koch told The Jewish Week in a telephone interview. A Democrat who four years ago endorsed President George W. Bush’s re-election effort, Koch on Tuesday endorsed Sen. Barack Obama.
Koch said that Palin’s conservative views on a host of domestic issues — not fears about her lack of foreign policy experience — prompted his swing back to the Democratic ticket and he predicted many Jewish voters will make a similar calculation.
He said that while he swung to the GOP in 2004 because he regarded President Bush as the best choice on national security and Israel-related matters, “I do not find any real difference in [Obama and McCain’s] positions on these issues.
“But, Koch continued, “I do find enormous differences on domestic issues — which are also part of defending America, including the issues of abortion rights, gay rights and the right to privacy.”
Koch said aloud what many Jewish politicos are saying privately: Palin’s selection, while solving in one dramatic move McCain’s problem with the religious right, may torpedo McCain’s unusually strong support from Jews.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: lagatta on September 10, 2008, 05:19:12 PM
Well, that is the dilemma supporting Zionist aggression has caused among many traditionally "liberal" and even more progressive Jews, in North America and elsewhere. It pushes at least a part of that community to a very reactionary stance on any foreign policy issues, and finding themselves in bed with reactionaries ... many of whom are profoundly antisemitic, if you dig down far enough.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Antonia on September 10, 2008, 05:29:18 PM
Got this from two friends in the US this afternoon ...

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Begin forwarded message:


Subject: Something we can do in this crisis

If you feel as I do hope you'll add your voice.
Friends, compatriots, fellow-lamenters, we are writing to you
because of the fury and dread we have felt since the announcement
of Sarah Palin as the Vice-Presidential candidate for the
Republican Party. We believe that this terrible decision has
surpassed mere partisanship, and that it is a dangerous farce - on
the part of a pandering and rudderless Presidential candidate -
that has a real possibilityof becoming fact.

Perhaps like us, as American women, you share the fear of what Ms.
Palin and her professed beliefs and proven record could lead to for
ourselves and for our present or future daughters. To date, she is
against sex education, birth control, the pro-choice platform,
environmental protection, alternative energy development, freedom
of speech (as mayor she wanted to ban books and attempted to fire
the librarian who stood against her), gun control, the separation
of church and state, and polar bears. To say nothing of her
complete lack of real preparation to become the second-most-
powerful person on the planet.

We want to clarify that we are not against Sarah Palin as a woman,
a mother, or, for that matter, a parent of a pregnant teenager, but
solely as a rash, incompetent, and all together devastating choice
for Vice President.  Ms. Palin's political views are in every way a
slap in the face to the accomplishments that our mothers and
grandmothers and great-grandmothers so fiercely fought for, and
that we've so demonstrably benefited from.

*First and foremost, Ms. Palin does not represent us. She does not
demonstrate or uphold our interests as American women.  It is
presumed that the inclusion of a woman on the Republican ticket
could win over women voters.  We want to disagree, publicly
*Therefore, we invite you to reply here:

womensaynopalin@gmail.com (womensaynopalin@gmail.com)
with a short, succinct message about why you, as a woman living in
this country, do not support this candidate as second-in-command
for our nation.*

Please include your name (last initial is fine), age, and place of
residence. We will post your responses on a blog called'Women
Against Sarah Palin,' which we intend to publicize as widely as
possible.  Please send us your reply at your earliest convenience -
the greater the volume of responses we receive, the stronger our
message will be.

Thank you for your time and action.


mailto:womensaynopalin@gmail.com

***PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY!* If you send this to 20women in the next
hour, you could be blessed with a country that takes your concerns
seriously.  Stranger things have happened.

Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Mandos on September 10, 2008, 05:41:57 PM
See, I am telling you the choice of Palin was inspired. McCain was dealt a terrible hand, relatively speaking, but he's managed to make this election about Palin and pushed the (D) into total reactivity.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 10, 2008, 05:45:02 PM
Well, that wouldn't be true, Mandos, if everyone would sign on to JJ's and my campaign to turn Joe Biden into a sex symbol.

Watch that space at POGGE. We're nothing if not positive thinkers.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Mandos on September 10, 2008, 05:47:26 PM
But I'm sorry to say, the (D) made a mistake with Obama, and one they will at best evade with a squeaker.  Yes, Clinton, Iraq war vote, yadda yadda yadda, but what American pol hasn't sacrificed left cause X repeatedly over the years?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 10, 2008, 05:48:58 PM
Mandos, think sex. And think boomers. There are a lot of us.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: lagatta on September 10, 2008, 06:22:16 PM
Biden isn't a boomer, he was born during the Second World War (1942), not just after it. Wouldn't boomers logically start in 1946?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 10, 2008, 06:58:34 PM
I know that Biden hisself is not a boomer. I'm thinking of boomer women, who were trained to marry up.  ;)

Sheesh. Do I have to spled this out? If you're sixty, a guy who is sixty-five and still witty and fit looks pretty good. Damn. I hate having to explain jokes. It just kills them.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on September 10, 2008, 07:04:33 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: transplant on September 10, 2008, 07:12:13 PM
Oh my, that new paragon of investigative journalism, the National Enquirer (http://www.nationalenquirer.com/_palin_family_shockers_what_sarahs_really_hiding/celebrity/65407) is asserting that Track Palin, who is shipping out to Iraq to do his part for God and Country, was a real stoner.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: deBeauxOs on September 10, 2008, 07:16:41 PM
Quote from: transplant
Oh my, that new paragon of investigative journalism, the National Enquirer is asserting that Track Palin, who is shipping out to Iraq to do his part for God and Country, was a real stoner.
Was?  A stint in Irak will likely turn him into a hard user.  :evil:   Not great.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: matttbastard on September 10, 2008, 09:25:04 PM
Rachel Sklar on why Charles Gibson was awarded the coveted first interview with Sarah Palin. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/10/palin-why-gibson-got-the_n_125349.html)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on September 10, 2008, 10:07:57 PM
Jeebus May is a kitten compared to this freak show. Adams Family Values movie, but much scarier cuz somehow this is RL.

her environmental record, she is suing the Bush administration, which ruled the polar bear is endangered and needs protection (http://www.alternet.org/environment/98165/a_telling_palin_scandal%3A_her_environmental_record_/)

The oil groups suing Bush along with Palin (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/30/AR2008083001538.html)

8 more stories the public need to know (http://www.alternet.org/election08/98228/8_more_stories_about_palin_the_public_needs_to_know/)

She's not going to be veep is she? Fuck, Merkins and Canadians are screwed!
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: deBeauxOs on September 10, 2008, 10:23:14 PM
Anna Quindlen (http://www.newsweek.com/id/157543) on Palin.
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... Conservatives have probably used the word "sexist" more in the past week than they have in the past 50 years.

This would all have been entertaining if it were not such rank hypocrisy. These are people who have inveighed against affirmative action, a version of which undoubtedly played a part in this selection.

Susan Meadows (http://www.newsweek.com/id/157034?tid=relatedcl) on Palin.  The kicker is found in the fourth paragraph.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: matttbastard on September 10, 2008, 10:40:34 PM
Liss has been on (http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/09/mccains-disingenuous-asshole.html) fire (http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/09/obama-racismmuslimunpatrioticscary_10.html) today (http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/09/obama-racismmuslimunpatrioticscary_5755.html).

 :applause: <3
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 11, 2008, 09:32:08 PM
Unspeakable stupidity. (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/11/palin-gibson-bushdoctrine/)

But then there's a lot of that going around during any election ...
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: transplant on September 11, 2008, 09:37:12 PM
Quote from: skdadl
Unspeakable stupidity

Well that cliches it then, she's a shoe-in.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on September 11, 2008, 09:39:48 PM
Well it fits with what else she said on that interview. That the U.S. may have to go to war with Russia, if it doesn't leave Georgia alone. I swear she's certifiable. When they get vetted do they get psych tested?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 12, 2008, 07:25:34 AM
From The Gazetteer (http://pacificgazette.blogspot.com/2008/09/empire-of-doom.html), apparently not a joke (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7607497.stm):

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Sarah Palin action dolls, showing the US vice-presidential candidate in a variety of outfits, have gone on sale.

Emil Vicale, the president of herobuilders.com, explained the range of models and claimed they would end up being one of their biggest sellers.

I can't run the vid at the BBC link.

Here's the website: http://www.herobuilders.com/08.htm (http://www.herobuilders.com/08.htm)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 12, 2008, 07:30:42 AM
Am I allowed to say that I hate her hair?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: lagatta on September 12, 2008, 07:40:19 AM
Yes, as long as you don't get into the ageist crap I've read from some stylists that women shouldn't have long hair after 40...
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 12, 2008, 08:39:00 AM
skdadl!  :) Her hair is the only remotely likeable thing about her. She forgoes the over-styled look for something more natural at least, more achievable by someone who doesn't have time for blowdrying and styling.

But when she keeps it in a bun, she approximates a Yulia Tymoshenko look. One cannot underestimate how that braid rekindles all that latent Ukrainian nationalism.

(http://english.people.com.cn/200704/20/images/0419_A53.jpg)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 12, 2008, 08:41:53 AM
I dunno. Whenever my hair has been that long, it has been a pain to keep it fresh every day -- just takes too long to dry. (I hate driers.) I also wonder whether there's a patriarchal thing going on there -- real women have long hair and that's how men like 'em, y'know?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: lagatta on September 12, 2008, 08:49:48 AM
If you want to go that route, then one could say short hair looks terribly corporate. (Unless you mean very short like a punky or butchy cut).

Please note that I am NOT telling people, women or men, how they should have their hair cut and styled!

The only weird thing about Palin's hair is the strange bouffant thing going on in the back.

The only hair thing that has really bothered me is that the Obama girls both have chemically-straightened hair, at a very young age. I know that hair is a fraught issue for professional women of African heritage (my own hair is very curly-kinky and I couldn't look properly corporate without having it straightened) but it is another matter to do it to little kids.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 12, 2008, 08:52:16 AM
That might very well be part of it - I certainly wouldn't deny that there's a subtle culture-war (anti-Hillary) message going on there. But so many other things might be a part of it, like personal preference (I for one find it much easier to keep long hair, short hair never looks right on me - and most of the time I wear it up for practical reasons).

Short hair is less practical in cold climates because of the constant washing and blow-drying; one gets tired of the mom cut after a couple of years, etc.

But my own mum is very conservative, and she strongly disapproves of long hair after a certain age, so that's good enough for me to keep it long and keep it real.  ;)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 12, 2008, 09:42:55 AM
I'm pro-choice. People can do any damn thing they want to their hair. But I reserve the right to snicker at them.

Long hair works for me. Shorter 'styles' are too much work.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: lagatta on September 12, 2008, 09:45:23 AM
We don't want to get too off-topic here, but such strictures as brebis has described have always been a motivation for me to keep my hair long as well. (Hair as kinky-curly as mine MUSTN'T be washed every day, or blow-dried - turns it into a ball of frizz, and not in a good way).

But I'm still livid about the wolves. And canned hunts in general.  :twisted:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 12, 2008, 09:53:41 AM
Heh. I was already planning to start teh haircut again tonight (it takes a week or so to get it right), but now I think I'll get it especially short at the back.

A bob worn straight is absolutely wash and wear, and that's what I need.

An example of an older woman with great long hair to me would be Jill Biden -- go to Google Images and have a look. She's 57 and she looks terrific; I'm sure that the cascading curls we saw on ceremonial nights are highly produced, as they say, but it looks as though she can wear that straight and look ok.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 12, 2008, 11:37:01 AM
Alaska Democrats say scary things about Palin (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/12/palin/).
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: deBeauxOs on September 12, 2008, 02:46:35 PM
Books that Palin wanted to ban from her town library (http://www.catsandbeer.com/politics/sarah-palin-banned-books-list) (it's spoofery)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 12, 2008, 03:38:27 PM
McCain on mayors' and governors' lack of experience with national security (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzhFDQIgGSg) -- before he tried selling Sarah, o' course.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 12, 2008, 04:48:06 PM
Todd Palin ("First Dude") has been subpoena'd in Troopergate. (http://www.adn.com/palin/story/524038.html)

Don't ask me ...   :whis:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 12, 2008, 05:02:42 PM
Wow. Who ya gonna believe? The media hype that women are turning to McSame because of Palin or these people (http://womenagainstsarahpalin.blogspot.com/)?

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Women Against Sarah Palin

On Wednesday, September 3, we sent out an email to 40 friends and colleagues asking them to respond to Sarah Palin’s candidacy as Vice President of the United States. They forwarded the letter to their friends across America. To date, we have received more than 100,000 responses from women of all ages and backgrounds. Below are their voices.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 12, 2008, 05:06:34 PM
Have you watched McSame lately on teevee or YouTubes? Rilly not good.

I have never seen two such strange elections, never, and I go back to the 1950s. Mondo bizarro.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 12, 2008, 05:13:01 PM
I can't do video from here. I really want to see Whoopi lay some whup-ass on him. And isn't the Palin interview going to continue, more instalments? I haven't seen the first bit yet either.

ETA: I just emailed that link to Women Against Sarah Palin to a bunch of Merkin gal pals. Be good if others did too. Just saying. . .

ETA again: Maybe I should put it in the hockey thread for Belva.  :whis:

ETA again: The blog is getting media attention (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/women-against-s.html). Look at the comments there.  :shock:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: arborman on September 12, 2008, 06:38:13 PM
That is one divided country.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on September 12, 2008, 06:46:46 PM
Good for you Fern, great link.

Merkin women are turning to McSame because he chose a vagina woman as running mate

WTF are Canadian women's excuse?  Harpo doesn't even have a running mate. Fury and dread is right; women in both countries could turn them all on their heads, but nooooo...
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Antonia on September 12, 2008, 08:07:24 PM
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Fashion companies have discovered a lucrative new marketing vehicle: Sarah Palin.

Since John McCain chose her last month as his running mate, Gov. Palin's personal style has sparked a buying frenzy. Many women are snapping up her choices of shoes and eyeglasses and blogging about which brand of lipstick she wears. Hairstylists and wig sellers report sudden demand for her trademark up-dos. Indeed, the brands behind Gov. Palin's fashion taste have gone into overdrive seeking to cash in on the association.

On Wednesday, WigSalon.com issued a news release boasting that it has wigs and hair pieces "that reflect the new looks made popular by Sarah Palin," along with style tips to "instantly" achieve the swept-back style.

"Obviously we're going to get a jump from this," says Joe Aronesty, owner of WigSalon.com. In the past week, the company has sold about 25 Palin-esque wigs, ranging in price from $100 to the "Bargain Sarah Palin" wig for $46. "And it's not even close to Halloween," Mr. Aronesty says.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122116644864624975.html
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 12, 2008, 08:28:52 PM
Y'see? Last year, (http://www.pogge.ca/archives/001584.shtml) I cut my hair because of Monica Goodling. This year, I'm cutting my hair because of Sarah Palin.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: lagatta on September 12, 2008, 08:38:04 PM
No way I'm going to look a) corporate or b) mumsy because of that she-bot!

I have a friend a few years older than me who was sad indeed after her hairdresser cut her hair too short in the back, giving her a gawky neck that adds about ten years. Fortunately it is growing back!
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 12, 2008, 08:41:16 PM
I don't think that I look either corporate or mumsy. On some days, I might look like Jane Jacobs, though. It sends a message.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on September 12, 2008, 08:45:38 PM
WE need a Women Say NO to Harpo site. I'm thoroughly disgusted. Need some plonk and a walk.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 12, 2008, 09:01:39 PM
Oh, look. Lawsuit threatened in Alaska. (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122118731189126643.html?mod=googlenews_wsj)

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The move marks an escalation of what is looming as a showdown between the state's executive and legislative branches.

Oh, gosh. That is ringing a faint bell somewhere.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on September 12, 2008, 09:49:42 PM
Quote from: fern hill
I really want to see Whoopi lay some whup-ass on him.

Here you go fernie baby. Whoopi The View girls. In the second clip McCain says that Roe V. Wade was "very bad decision" and he'd appoint Supreme Court justices who will strictly interpret the constitution. That's when Whoopi wonders, "Should I be worried about being a returned to being a slave?"
http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2008/09/wo ... ccain.html (http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2008/09/women-of-view-rip-into-mccain.html)

sorry  :oops:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Gigi on September 13, 2008, 12:43:45 AM
Anyone post this list yet (http://www.thepoliticalhub.com/list/19.aspx)?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 13, 2008, 07:38:02 AM
Great list. Thanks.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 13, 2008, 12:06:17 PM
Well, the NYTimes has come out solidly against Palin, but not so much against McCain.

The editorial. (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/13/opinion/13sat1.html?em)

And Bob Herbert. (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/13/opinion/13herbert.html?em)

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I feel for Ms. Palin’s son who has been shipped off to the war in Iraq. But at his deployment ceremony, which was on the same day as the Charlie Gibson interview, Sept. 11, she told the audience of soldiers that they would be fighting “the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the death of thousands of Americans.”

Was she deliberately falsifying history, or does she still not know that Iraq and Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with the Sept. 11 attacks?

To burnish the foreign policy credentials of a vice presidential candidate who never even had a passport until last year, the Republicans have been touting Alaska’s proximity to Russia. (Imagine the derisive laughter in conservative circles if the Democrats had tried such nonsense.) So Mr. Gibson asked Ms. Palin, “What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?”

She said, “They’re our next-door neighbors. And you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska. From an island in Alaska.”

Mr. Gibson tried again. “But what insight does that give you,” he asked, “into what they’re doing in Georgia?”


What I'm thinking is that this Rovian regime cleverly uses its stupids as fronts for all kinds of evil. How can you beat stupid with smart? You can't - you're simply not playing the same game in the same place with the same equipment.

That said, I'm waiting for some prominent evangelicals or evangelical groups to stand up and say that they're neither stupid nor dupes of this regime, and that they won't support Palin/McCain. I'm waiting.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: deBeauxOs on September 13, 2008, 12:38:22 PM
brebis noire - sorry, but I just have to interrupt/drift here for a moment - that pic of Yulia Tymoshenko and your post is a keeper.  I would like to save it to our Quotes' Hall of Fame, and yet there are so many good posts and quips in this thread.  In other threads too.  Let's not forget to save B'n'R zingers for posterity.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: transplant on September 13, 2008, 07:40:59 PM
NYT: In Office, Palin Hired Friends and Hit Critics (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html?hp)

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Gov. Sarah Palin lives by the maxim that all politics is local, not to mention personal.

So when there was a vacancy at the top of the State Division of Agriculture, she appointed a high school classmate, Franci Havemeister, to the $95,000-a-year directorship. A former real estate agent, Ms. Havemeister cited her childhood love of cows as one of her qualifications for running the roughly $2 million agency.

Ms. Havemeister was one of at least five schoolmates Ms. Palin hired, often at salaries far exceeding their private sector wages.

When Ms. Palin had to cut her first state budget, she avoided the legion of frustrated legislators and mayors. Instead, she huddled with her budget director and her husband, Todd, an oil field worker who is not a state employee, and vetoed millions of dollars of legislative projects.

And four months ago, a Wasilla blogger, Sherry Whitstine, who chronicles the governor’s career with an astringent eye, answered her phone to hear an assistant to the governor on the line, she said.

“You should be ashamed!” Ivy Frye, the assistant, told her. “Stop blogging. Stop blogging right now!”...

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In Wasilla, a builder said he complained to Mayor Palin when the city attorney put a stop-work order on his housing project. She responded, he said, by engineering the attorney’s firing.

Interviews show that Ms. Palin runs an administration that puts a premium on loyalty and secrecy. The governor and her top officials sometimes use personal e-mail accounts for state business; dozens of e-mail messages obtained by The New York Times show that her staff members studied whether that could allow them to circumvent subpoenas seeking public records...

Just think, Dubya could possibly soon be referred to as the second worst president ever. :roll:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 13, 2008, 08:02:10 PM
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And four months ago, a Wasilla blogger, Sherry Whitstine, who chronicles the governor’s career with an astringent eye, answered her phone to hear an assistant to the governor on the line, she said.

“You should be ashamed!” Ivy Frye, the assistant, told her. “Stop blogging. Stop blogging right now!”

 :rotfl:

Ok, we're laughing now. But how long do you think we have to laugh if the creeps who give those kinds of stupid orders actually gain some power?

There are teensy signs all over the place that the dorks in power have finally grasped that the internet is not a joke. If you've seen that YouTube of Tony Clement at the AIDS conference, eg, where he loses it and starts jabbing away, daring the videographers to make a YouTube, you realize that they are grasping it and they hate it and they hate us.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 13, 2008, 08:18:29 PM
It's heartening that the NYTimes has finally dug this stuff up. It can't have been all that hard. And still, it's early in the campaign, hopefully early enough to set something rolling. There are certainly many reasons that McCain waited so long to choose a VP, and then to announce it.

But on the other hand, I'm not sure Ms. Palin operates all that differently from what's expected in traditional politics. Only thing is, she's done it in places that haven't had to deal with much scrutiny, or apparently, any serious legal challenge. So she hasn't been particularly clever or competent in her nasty political operating. Hopefully - and I think we're seeing the signs - she's made a lot more enemies than friends.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: deBeauxOs on September 13, 2008, 08:20:26 PM
Quote from: Gigi
Anyone post this list yet (http://www.thepoliticalhub.com/list/19.aspx)?
Wow Gigi that is good - and thorough.  Someone should do something like that about the ReformaTories; in fact I thought that Canadian Cynic had invited contributors to pitch in.  I should go check on the progress of that.  It wasn't just about the lies and broken promises, it was also about the dirty tricks and the cuts and, well everything.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: transplant on September 14, 2008, 11:36:31 AM
And this from WaPo: As Mayor of Wasilla, Palin Cut Own Duties, Left Trail of Bad Blood (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/13/AR2008091302596.html?hpid=topnews)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 14, 2008, 01:21:03 PM
Dr Prole on Alaskan rally against SP (http://www.acreativerevolution.ca/node/1319). Good signs.  ;)

ETA: Buckets finds pretty solid evidence SP did decide to make victims pay for their own rape kits (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jacob-alperinsheriff/sarah-palin-instituted-ra_b_125833.html).
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 14, 2008, 06:52:45 PM
This is really really good. Tina Fey does Palin on SNL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnRUKIMegn8). And Hilary is damn good too.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: deBeauxOs on September 15, 2008, 09:13:57 AM
:rotfl: I love Tina Fey.  She does a mean über-Palin.  Her buddy Amy Poehler was quite good as Clinton, too.   Whoever wrote that skit got the content and tone just right.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: John_D on September 15, 2008, 11:02:01 AM
It helps that they used the only two cast members of SNL from the last six or seven years that are actually funny. Seriously, that show has gone so far downhill so fast that it would take Jules Verne to write a decent account of its descent.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 15, 2008, 12:21:34 PM
Hey -- look (http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/alaska-women-reject-palin-rally-is-huge/) what happened in Anchorage. This is really heartening.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Debra on September 15, 2008, 01:34:26 PM
I blogged about this this morning. Interesting though not surprising that the media only focused on the pro Palin home coming.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Mandos on September 16, 2008, 12:05:28 AM
http://befouled.blogspot.com/2008/09/i-accept.html (http://befouled.blogspot.com/2008/09/i-accept.html)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 16, 2008, 08:50:05 AM
One thing Palin has maybe helped me understand is how men, as a class of people, have been so sorely mistreated by the entire political process. I mean, it must be very difficult - excruciating even - for intelligent men, capable and competent men throughout the ages (or perhaps more precisely at specific times in history, i.e. recent Bush history) to witness a particularly loud-mouthed, sneering incompetent, with no particular achievements beyond what is simply normal for a politician, to be elevated to a post he clearly has no clue about. And to be dismissive about his cluelessness.

I had never realised before how hard it is for men to witness the political process. But now with Palin, I can feel their pain.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: deBeauxOs on September 16, 2008, 08:55:04 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Antonia on September 16, 2008, 05:34:17 PM
Some interesting questions regarding amniocentesis and Sarah Palin ...

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/t ... f-s-8.html (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/the-lies-of-s-8.html)
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/t ... s-and.html (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/por-lifers-and.html)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Antonia on September 16, 2008, 05:43:13 PM
If I do say so myself. (http://thestar.blogs.com/broadsides/2008/09/90-seconds-for.html)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 16, 2008, 06:01:21 PM
I was kind of vaguely wondering about that myself (actually, I am a bit surprised that she underwent amnio, but her assertion that she likes to be prepared satisfied me; on the other hand, she didn't tell her kids - so, some preparation :? ).  However, all of the speculations about her pregnancies, her leaking fluid, her travel plans, her return to work three days later, etcetc. are becoming very annoying to me. I had two kids, and they were both very different experiences, I can't even begin to say how unprepared I would have been to return to any kind of functional normality three days after giving birth, etc. But: from talking to other mothers I really get the feeling that there's a very wide range of responses and situations one can get into, either on purpose or inadvertently, on every issue imaginable and unimaginable, and that some women really do have excessively easy births and recoveries. Not something to base any kind of policy on, however, and it definitely won't help American women obtain any kind of reasonable maternity leave - in fact, it will hinder it.

And furthermore, the fact that her baby slept through the entire RNC showed me that either he was given some sedative (another annoying and totally gratuitous speculation), or else maybe Down syndrome babies are more placid than normal. I found the extended sleep rather creepy, but again I try not to think about those things, they are distractions. But there, I said it.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Antonia on September 16, 2008, 06:15:33 PM
My beautiful grandniece Betsey Kate is DS.

As babies, some tend to be ''flat effect'' as the psychs like to say. But that Palin baby seemed catatonic. I am sorry but no 4-5 month old kid is that listless, at least not in my experience. Either he has serious issues -- heart, for example -- or they're spiking the formula.

Passing him around like a pigskin can't be good either. Who will he bond with?

This is not to judge SP's parenting skills. But I have to wonder. Knowing how tough it is to raise such a child to be functional, to be able to speak and socialize, it takes a lot of dedication and hard work.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: deBeauxOs on September 17, 2008, 01:38:16 PM
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Fashion companies have discovered a lucrative new marketing vehicle: Sarah Palin. .... "Obviously we're going to get a jump from this," says Joe Aronesty, owner of WigSalon.com. In the past week, the company has sold about 25 Palin-esque wigs, ranging in price from $100 to the "Bargain Sarah Palin" wig for $46. "And it's not even close to Halloween," Mr. Aronesty says.
Gosh, that is funny.  I say this with some reluctance, but Palin looks more the classic stereotypical witch than Clinton did.  It should make for some interesting political cartoons.

On a less funny note, here's a quote from an article (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/12/sarahpalin.feminism#start-of-comments) in The Guardian:
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Ann Friedman, deputy editor of the American Prospect, wrote: "In picking Palin, Republicans are lending credence to the sexist assumption that women voters are too stupid to investigate or care about the issues, and merely want to vote for someone who looks like them ... McCain has turned the idea of the first woman in the White House from a true moment of change to an empty pander."

What's worse is conservatives can't understand why women aren't lining up to thank them. In fact, the same people who moaned that women - those darn feminists, especially - were only supporting Hillary because of her gender are now screaming to the rafters because they're not supporting Palin for the same reason. That's what makes Republicans pulling the feminist card that much more insulting - the stunning hypocrisy. The McCain touting himself as the person who will put a woman in the White House is the same man who joked that Chelsea Clinton is "so ugly" because "her father is Janet Reno".
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 17, 2008, 10:39:23 PM
Hackers get into Palin's email (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/17/AR2008091703304.html?hpid=topnews). It is alleged that she used her private yahoo mail account for stuff that she didn't want to be subject to government rules on documentation.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on September 17, 2008, 11:06:59 PM
Her stupidity can only be the crass merkin kind. The Wal-Mart magnet kind and that is precisely her appeal. It's the men of America who will vote her and McInsane in. You can blame it on the packaged sex appeal coupled with the POW appeal, it was done on purpose, live reality tv show that gets the attention it was meant to. Obviously the woman is mentally ill.

After reading Counterpunch on McInsane (http://www.counterpunch.org/valentine06132008.html) I knew after seeing Palin it was a done deal. According to Valentine, “This is the lesson of McCain’s experience as a POW: a true politician, a hollow man, his only allegiance is to power. The Vietnamese, like McCain’s campaign contributors today, protected and promoted him and in return, he danced to their tune.” It is all a myth and Palin is part of the package. The election will either be rigged or an 11th hour crisis. They are both as irrational as Cheney/Rove/Bush. After all it is the end times, right? Rationality simply won't win out. And it doesn't matter a hill of beans whether McCain even understands the yahoo versus gmail reasons. For some reason the Democrats utterly fail at explaining the obvious character flaws, the obvious lack of qualifications, who knows why. But they do. The economy is the number 1 issue there and here, but does anyone want to hear the word prosperity one more time? No one, there or here talks about the disparities. It all feels set and match.

Mind you I'm extremely down right now. HOw could I not be, with the same picture unfolding there and here, slightly different dynamics, but same shit, even on the same day.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 18, 2008, 08:32:56 AM
You knew this was coming: Leave Sarah Palin alone! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi7pYuQU3RE)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 18, 2008, 09:12:13 AM
Snaffled from babble: Palin bounce is over (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/17/opinion/polls/main4456249.shtml).

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Obama leads McCain 54 percent to 38 percent among all women. He holds a two point edge among white women, a 21 percentage point swing in Obama's direction from one week ago.

. . .

Palin’s favorable rating stands at 40 percent, down 4 points from last week. Her unfavorable rating, which stands at 30 percent, has risen eight points in the same time period. Her favorable rating among women has fallen 11 points in the past week.

Merkin women are not quite as stooopid as Rethugs think.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: k'in on September 18, 2008, 11:18:37 AM
Rachel Maddow from her MSNBC show last night:

The Women's Vote (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/26764592#26764592)

She makes a great observation about the stoopidity of the McCain/Palin team.  Most people make up an excuse that's more acceptable than the reported "truth"/scandal.  But noooo, Walt Monegan didn't get canned because he wouldn't fire Palin's allegedly abusive asshole brother-in-law.  He got canned because he dared try and raise money for sexual assault victims!  How's that post-convention bounce goin' for ya now, Sarah!
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 18, 2008, 11:49:56 AM
Lady de Rothschild is a nice touch, though, eh?   :twisted:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: k'in on September 18, 2008, 12:26:40 PM
;)

I'm sure she's the prototype "working family" component, "average/ordinary" voter the strategists envision when they sit about wonking...

But she sure ain't no redneck (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/17/new-mccainiac-rothschild_n_127312.html)...

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After coming out as a Democrat for John McCain earlier in the day, Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild made her first slip as a surrogate during a CNN appearance on Wednesday. In deflecting a question about whether or not she was bitter over Clinton's loss in the primary, the new McCain surrogate pivoted to a discussion of Barack Obama's notorious "bitter" remarks, but added a twist of her own -- describing the small-town voters Obama was talking about as "rednecks."
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: transplant on September 18, 2008, 02:16:42 PM
Why would Palin refuse to fund rape kits? Here's your answer. (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/17/175430/636/888/601186)

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I suppose that when most of us who are fortunate not to have been the victim of sexual assault hear the word "rape kit", we tend to think of it specifically in terms of forensic analysis and examination--DNA collection, trauma, that whole sort of thing.

But rape kits also contain...emergency contraception.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: deBeauxOs on September 18, 2008, 02:18:06 PM
An Alaskan response to the Sarah Palin "Truth Squad". (http://alaskareport.com/news98/x61632_palin_truth_squad.htm)
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National political assassins have invaded Alaska. They were visible and in full force at the McCain-Palin press conference yesterday. Alaskans don’t roll that way. People get cranky, even nasty at times, over politics and what they think is best for the state. Alaska Lawmakers are sitting in federal prison for selling their votes and it wasn’t this nasty. The McCain-Palin ticket has become a poster child for partisan politics on steroids. ...

Right off the bat, a full-on assault of character was laid out-Walt Monegan the target. Megan Stapleton, lead off hitter for the Palin Truth Squad was polished, assertive, dramatic, professional, fantastic….and LYING! For all of her assertions of Walt’s "loose cannon" behavior, you would have thought he was tasing Alaska children. A stack of emails from or regarding Monegan, chosen by Palin’s state paid attorney, were released to prove his incompetence. I asked why, if he was such a terrible employee, was he offered another position in government? How could they risk something so important as the oversight of alcohol in rural Alaska? After all, alcohol is a huge contributor to our domestic violence and rape statistics. Megan’s answer felt like an out of control carnival ride for all the disingenuous spin! Her co-"truther" is Edward O’Callaghan. He looks and acts like the evil and unstoppable Agent Smith from "The Matrix". Six weeks ago, he left his job as Co-Chief of the Terrorism and National Security Unit of the U.S. Attorney’s office in New York. Does the McCain camp consider a bipartisan group of Alaska Lawmakers to be terrorists?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 18, 2008, 05:27:33 PM
Pat Morrison in the LA Times (http://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla/2008/09/sarah-palin-pla.html):

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Sarah Palin, Planned Parenthood and I Thank You

Sarah Palin, Planned Parenthood, Patt Morrison, abortion, John McCain Sarah Palin opposes abortion, even in cases of rape and incest. As she said in a gubernatorial debate nearly two years ago, even if her own daughter were a rape victim, she -– not the daughter, interestingly, but Palin herself -– would ‘’choose life.’’

Now there’s an e-mail making the rounds that urges people to make a gift donation to Planned Parenthood in Palin’s name.

What makes it even better, the e-mail says, is that for every donation made in her name, Planned Parenthood sends Palin a card thanking her.

And for me, the most delicious part of all – it was my idea.

Seven years ago, after George Bush was sworn in, he immediately revoked as many pro-choice policies and appointments as he could.

Bush’s wife doesn’t think Roe v. Wade should be overturned. Neither does one of his closest advisers, Condi Rice. Ditto Nancy Reagan. And Betty Ford. And Cindy McCain.

If they couldn’t make a difference, perhaps we could. So in my Los Angeles Times column less than a week after Bush took office in January 2001, I suggested that Americans make a little gift for Presidents’ Day: a contribution to Planned Parenthood, in George Bush’s name.

Every donation generated a "thank you" card. I envisioned a scene out of "Miracle on
34th Street," sacks and sacks of thank-you cards from Planned Parenthood, delivered to Bush in the Oval Office.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Antonia on September 18, 2008, 05:29:58 PM
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Then there's Dr. Susan Lamagie, an obstetrician who practices in Wasilla and delivered Palin's first two children. She also performed abortions at what was then called Valley Hospital. While Palin was on Wasilla's City Council, members of her church, the Wasilla Assembly of God, and its minister, picketed Lamagie's office. Because the doctor held her ground, the group ousted the hospital board and installed a new one, whose first act was to ban abortions. Lamagie and Howard Bess organized a group that sued the hospital in a case that went to Alaska's Supreme Court, which ruled the hospital had to allow abortions, as before.

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But it's not all smoke and mirrors: Palin did slash some funds. She vetoed $150,000 for the Fairbanks Catholic Community Counseling and Adoption Services, $3.5 million to build a daycare facility and student housing for unemployed Alaska Natives, $500,000 for the Safe Harbor Muldoon Housing for Homeless Families and People with Disabilities, and eliminated funds for the Fairbanks Community Food Bank.

And in a state with one of the highest drug and alcohol rates in the United States, she killed funds for a substance abuse facility and an education and prevention program for youths in a northwest Alaska village, as well as for addiction rehabilitation services.

Then there's her record on health, another alleged Palin priority. State Senator Bill Wielechowski says, "We sponsored a bill to improve children's health care, since we're forty-seventh in the US in terms of the services we offer. Had Palin supported it, the Republican-controlled House would have approved it. But she refused and the bill died."

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080929/koeppel
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 18, 2008, 06:52:12 PM
emptywheel put up this YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dysEy5O1dn4&eurl=http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/18/the-sarah-palin-show-cancels-its-west-coast-tour/) this afternoon, in which Palin refers to "a Palin and a McCain administration," which must have the old dodderer thinking about a few things.

What I loved most about it, though, is that she sounds EXACTLY like Tina Fey! OMFGBBQ!!!!11!   :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: deBeauxOs on September 20, 2008, 09:42:16 AM
This is a different take on Palin (http://www.truthout.org/article/palin-can-launch-us-back-time).
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Sarah Palin may be responsible for breaking through another level of the glass ceiling by being the vice-presidential candidate on the Republican ticket and she deserves credit for this.

Palin, however, is a dangerous choice and her style goes against the grain of feminists and women everywhere. We spent years seeking equality, and ask only for a level playing field where we can find credit for our accomplishments and capabilities and the opportunities to compete fairly. Sarah Palin can launch us back in time and remove years of progress, albeit slow and incomplete. She encourages men and women to be drawn first to the sexuality and beauty of a woman before making a decision about her credibility, intelligence and leadership. There is abundant truth in the age-old saying "beauty is only skin deep." We need and deserve a vice-presidential candidate who offers far more than "skin deep" - her absolute lack of substance on the issues; her lack of experience, particularly in the international and foreign affairs environment; her lack of a sound economic policy to regain control of our national treasure; and her insistence on propelling herself as tough and capable because she can murder wildlife when there is virtually no chance of missing, are the issues of substance. The fact she refuses to discuss any of the issues is troubling. Voters need to take a deep breath and return to reality in the aftermath of the hype created by Sarah Palin herself. Pay attention - she does not have international experience or foreign affairs capabilities simply because she can see Russia from her backyard in Alaska.

Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: lagatta on September 20, 2008, 09:53:56 AM
How can she be given more "credit" for that than Dame Margaret Thatcher - the true "breakthrough" for rightwing women pols whose ascent meant so many steps backward for great numbers of women (and men too, of course).  And had a great impact in the US as well, Thatcher being the brains behind the tandem with Reagan.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on September 20, 2008, 12:16:08 PM
I'm beginning to wonder about the popularity contest thingy.  We seem to have been trained or conditioned into believing that popularity has something to do with job qualifcations.  Oh, I like this or that candidate...but try to find out what it is about the candidates qualifications, skills, or policy which causes a person to "like" her/him and you're zotted back to Well, I just LIKE...

I don't know any of the federal leaders.  I don't even know the local candidates for federal election.  If I don't know them I can't very well "like" them.  So I looked at the candidates for municipal election.  There are several I "like" well enough but I won't be voting for them because they don't have any experience which fits them for the job and most of them don't even attend Council meetings.  We'll have four candidates for mayor, one of them I wouldn't throw a lifering if he was up to his nose in barnyard waste, one I know and don't mind, one I like very much and then there's the one I'm going to vote for, whom I know slightly, like well enough I'd invite to supper some time, but I'll be voting because of experience and platform.

"Like"...oh I like this one or Oh, that one is just so sexy looking or Oh he speaks well or Well she seems pleasant or...just doesn't cut it.  This isn't high school.  We aren't voting for class president.

Then, of course, there's the problem that I never do get to vote for our PM.  I have to vote for the local candidate and if the party leader wins the nose count at the end of the furor she/he becomes PM.  And right now I wouldn't throw any of them a life ring, either!

How did we wind up with so many dry teats at the helm?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 20, 2008, 01:23:27 PM
I dunno, anne. I go for the sex.   ;)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on September 20, 2008, 01:47:24 PM
....and how's that been working for you lately?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 20, 2008, 01:48:25 PM
:lol:

I dunno -- I think that Biden's speeches are actually pretty interesting.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on September 20, 2008, 02:01:13 PM
Ah, but now you're going for content, not for sexy....someone sent me a vid thing about Matt Damon expressing an opinion about Sara Palin.  I didn't watch.  I mean... breally... MATT DAMON?  Who gives a shit about Matt Damon's opinion on anything?  If it had been Susan Sarandon or Tim Robbins or...y'know, someone who has expressed an informed interest for quite some time I probably would have watched but MATT DAMON?  The same acquaintance sends me what seem like endless Bruce Springsteen clips and sometimes, if I have time, I'll watch although the music is the reason, not whatever axe my acquaintance is currently grinding...

Right now I'm kind'a hung up on "what goes around comes around" and have been reading Grapes Of Wrath.  Uh huh.  Yep.  You betcha!!

So Dubya wants a trillion or so dollars to bail out the , what, New York Stock Exchange or something.  Now, never forget I have dyscalculia and numbers are a mystery, finance and economics are woo woo voodoo to me and I'm happily ignorant about stock market quotations but

sooner or later
doesn't someone have to pick up the tab?

And why should Ma Joad have to pick up the tab?

I mean these boffins have been making unimaginable amounts of munny, plus stock options and rah rah and they've done such a fine job everything is sliding into the tank so the homeless and the underemployed and the ones losing their homes and ..have to bail them out?

First we confiscate the munny and possessions of the dippers who made the decisions which resulted in the chaos and then maybe...but prolly not...

Isn't one of the definitions of insanity doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a better result?  So beggar the nation to bail out the guys who have beggared the nation so they can continue to beggar the nation?

I mean, okay, I'M an idiot about economics but it's like that line in "Imagine"..but I'm not the only one....
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Mandos on September 20, 2008, 02:40:33 PM
Unfortunately, in bad times, these things are basically hostage situations.  If they didn't bail out AIG, millions of people around the globe would be out of work.

What they need to do is to restructure US consumer debt. Please to notice that Joe Biden made this necessary step much more difficult to do at the behest of credit card companies.  After all, if consumers couldn't pay, well...they'd get bailed out.  And lo and behold!
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on September 20, 2008, 03:21:31 PM
...and I'm not the only one...

millions of people around the world are already out of work or working for starvation wages or for companies which are draining the aquifers or...

so we go to work to make munny to pay taxes to bail out the ones who have made it possible for our children to starve to such a point of desperation they're willing to take jobs which pay so little their children die for lack of medical care while everyone keeps on paying taxes to bail out the ones who make all the misery possible...

imagine all those people
more desperate every day
paying taxes so the wealthy
can continue to play


I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Better we slice open their throats!
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 20, 2008, 03:37:45 PM
Quote from: Mandos
Unfortunately, in bad times, these things are basically hostage situations.  If they didn't bail out AIG, millions of people around the globe would be out of work.

What they need to do is to restructure US consumer debt. Please to notice that Joe Biden made this necessary step much more difficult to do at the behest of credit card companies.  After all, if consumers couldn't pay, well...they'd get bailed out.  And lo and behold!

Huh? Source, please?

And I'm amazed that anyone who has ever entertained socialist thoughts would write that.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Mandos on September 20, 2008, 03:44:44 PM
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Huh? Source, please?

I think you're misunderstanding me.  By "restructure consumer debt", I mean cancel it.  

What happened was that as a Delaware politician Biden supported bills that made it hard for consumers to declare bankruptcy on credit card debt.  That's not the only thing that happened, but that has definitely contributed to the problem.  He did it in favour of his local constituents, which include major credit card companies.

http://www.thebklawyer.com/thebkblog/20 ... he-ticket/ (http://www.thebklawyer.com/thebkblog/2008/08/25/bankruptcy-law-changes-less-likely-with-joe-biden-on-the-ticket/)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Mandos on September 20, 2008, 03:49:05 PM
Effectively what has been going on in the US economy is that someone decided that it was better to fuel economic growth by putting consumers in debt in pursuit of The Good Life than it was to increase their wages.

The reasons for this should be manifold and obvious.

And the end result of this policy has been the instability of financial institutions as the US consumer got maxed out.  The fact that it has happened via mortgages is not only because of securitization, but also because someone decided to favour credit card creditors over mortgage creditors (meaning that people can walk away from their homes more easily than they can walk away from the food bills).  Things would have fallen apart one way or another, because they followed a deliberate policy of increasing income inequality, thinking they could get away with it.

And, as it turns out, they can get away with it.

Now, having milked ordinary folk in the USA, we'll see if they think they can keep this racket going, and for how long.  The solutions to this crisis that they pick will tell us either way.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Mandos on September 20, 2008, 03:55:25 PM
AND as I posted on my "CDO" thread, some mainstream analysts honestly do not think that the racket can continue much longer, and hence they support bailing out the consumer.  Those that do support bailing out banks first, and sending "stimulus checks" to consumers.

Now as for the bailed out banks, some of these banks were underwriting construction (eg, AIG) and other infrastructure projects in the US and abroad to the tune of trillions.  Already some US state infrastructure projects are under threat, needed ones.  Public transit in NYC is tied to this.  My state university is considering cutbacks in a year that was supposed to be its year from a state funding perspective (favorable legislature).  But no more.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 20, 2008, 04:03:38 PM
No.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Mandos on September 20, 2008, 04:08:02 PM
?  You'll have to clarify your objection to me.  I am just explaining my understanding of the how the system as it has been set up has broken down, how it would pick itself up, and not what I think the case should be.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 20, 2008, 04:20:59 PM
Well, I may have been misreading your first post, which makes it sound as though it was the consumers who were teh problem.

But even sorting that out doesn't help. The problem is that work for most people pays too little, and too many people are losing work altogether. There is teh problem. Declaring bankruptcy is hardly the way for people to go on living.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Mandos on September 20, 2008, 04:31:26 PM
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Well, I may have been misreading your first post, which makes it sound as though it was the consumers who were teh problem.

But even sorting that out doesn't help. The problem is that work for most people pays too little, and too many people are losing work altogether. There is teh problem. Declaring bankruptcy is hardly the way for people to go on living.

I think we're not disagreeing here.  The root of the problem, as I said, was that someone decided on a deliberate policy of funding people's understandable ambitions for comfortable lives via credit, rather than pay wages.

And what I'm saying is that the solution now is to cancel the debt.  That would in effect have turned all of that into wages, retroactively.  There is a segment of elite opinion that is willing to agree with me, because they believe that the milking cannot go much farther than it has without threatening a segment of the wealthy too.

However, in the meantime, making it harder to declare bankruptcy was like kicking people when they were down.  People had a way out when they were maximally desperate, and people like Joe Biden worked to close that way out.  So they had to lose their homes rather than their credit.

It turns out that this was also overreach and is biting the credit industry in the hindquarters.  But the mentality is something that politicians from all sides of the mainstream spectrum participated in.

And I have found that there's still a large segment of the US population willing to say that if you didn't think you could pay, you should have lived more frugally.  Well, the thing is, people want and deserve a good life.  You can't blame them for doing it the way they were told to do it.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 20, 2008, 04:42:22 PM
Quote from: Mandos

And I have found that there's still a large segment of the US population willing to say that if you didn't think you could pay, you should have lived more frugally.

Oh, well. Those people are everywhere. That is North America, and most of Western Europe as well. It's called the Reformation.

I can never get over the hostility that libertines have towards the Catholic church. Catholics have never been as viciously self-righteous as Protestants, and I write as a Protestant.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on September 20, 2008, 04:46:06 PM
Well, maybe we should ALL declare bankruptcy...let them bail that one out!!!

I don't trust Joe Biden as far as I could throw my piano.  But then, I don't trust any of them.

They're the cutout figures which cavort against a silken backdrop in those lovely Thai postcard thingies.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Mandos on September 20, 2008, 04:52:17 PM
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Well, maybe we should ALL declare bankruptcy...let them bail that one out!!!

That's precisely what they were afraid of when they made it harder to declare bankruptcy.  But, and I guess here was there misstep, at some point you have to stop inventing money.  You can't get blood from a stone.  They thought that they could just paint the blood on and say they got it.

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I can never get over the hostility that libertines have towards the Catholic church. Catholics have never been as viciously self-righteous as Protestants, and I write as a Protestant.

I think it's because the Church is more organized than a lot of Protestant groups and has been relatively entrenched in the state in certain countries (eg many parts of South America).
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Mandos on September 20, 2008, 04:58:22 PM
Another frankly evil thing they did was to make it next to impossible for people to declare bankruptcy over medical debt. (Used to be common.)  

I dunno what Biden's vote was on that one.

However, it was at that point that the nationalization of the health care industry in the USA became inevitable, which I guess is a silver lining.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 20, 2008, 05:15:15 PM
Well, maybe you should check that out? (Biden's vote ... not nice to drop that in that way, Mandos.)

If you think you're going to detach me from Joe, Mandos, you got another think coming.   :twisted:

Of course, I've always known that it's a problem to feel optimistic about any Merkin politician. Automatically, their foreign policy has to be disastrous -- they're all bad that way. It would help a lot if the rest of the world could rise on its/our hind legs and teach them a few things about how to do diplomacy, but still. They are going to be like that for a while.

What always matters is the least bad, and Biden is a very traditional Labour politician in many ways. He is also competent -- on the constitution and on foreign policy. There actually aren't that many Merkins who are. Sad but true. He is smarter than your average senator, and I understand that he is the second or third poorest of them all.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on September 20, 2008, 05:22:13 PM
Well, the problem with the rest of us rearing up on our hind legs to teach them a thing or two about diplomacy is that, first off, WE don't have much of a hint how to do that.  Name me one nation which isn't living in a glass house where "diplomacy" is concerned.  We have done such a good job in Haiti and in several South American instances and in Africa (ask Delaire!) and...and we aren't alone.  Britain?  Diplomacy?  That's a joke. France?  Germany?

Just one nation which has really got a clue about it.

And second off, there is the matter of the arsenal WARshington commands.  We could all wind up incinerated with "peace" on our lips.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Mandos on September 20, 2008, 06:07:53 PM
It turns out that it was the same bill.  Kennedy et al. attempted to exempt medical debt from a more stringent bankruptcy means test.  Joe Biden either voted [ETA]no[/ETA] or abstained.  Here's the no votes:

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/cong ... /votes/16/ (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/109/senate/1/votes/16/)

Lo and behold, they are using this against McCain:

http://www.democrats.org/a/2008/07/john ... s_re_1.php (http://www.democrats.org/a/2008/07/john_mccains_re_1.php)

The AARP has an article on the consequences:

http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourmoney/pers ... eline.html (http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourmoney/personalfinance/articles/throw_me_a_lifeline.html)

What the bill did was it made it harder to file under Chapter 7, so that many people have to file under the more stringent Chapter 13.  Chapter 13 involves a nasty payment plan scheme.  It's bad enough that Biden supported this bill, but he effectively supported preventing the system from exempting people with medical debt from going back to Chapter 7.

And just so that you know why I snerk at GMU:

http://www.law.gmu.edu/news/2007/785 (http://www.law.gmu.edu/news/2007/785)

Ugh.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 20, 2008, 06:22:40 PM
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Joe Biden either voted or abstained.

Huh?

Link does not work.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Mandos on September 20, 2008, 06:30:06 PM
For some reason my links broke.  Fixed. I meant "voted no".
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Mandos on September 20, 2008, 06:32:10 PM
As for Biden himself, well, so, there's an argument that can be made that he's just representing his constituents, considering that Delaware's economy is highly dependent on the CC industry.

However, it turns out that these decisions weren't good in the Long Run for the debt side of the economy in general.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on September 20, 2008, 07:14:10 PM
I come from a line of Scot and North English mine workers.  At some point in the not-so-far past conditions for miners were so horrific they were denied the right to use public roadways (so they couldn't run away, obviously) and in the Scots and northern mines they wore an iron collar so they could be easily identified; just in case the coal dust under their skin didn't show, I guess.  They got paid so little there was no hope for anyone to put aside enough "siller" to be able to invest in anything!  So now when I hear of stocks "dropping" and of people "losing money" and going broke because the price of this or that has gone down I kind'a snicker because none of mine lost anything!  My ex was bemoaning some "loss" on the stock market and asked me if I'd be "okay" in spite of it and I couldn't help laughing and telling him I hadn't lost a dime.  Both grandmothers made sure I knew that just because I still had cheques left didn't mean I could afford to buy anything, and my grandmother Sarah told me to never forget that I might have some money in a savings account but that didn't mean I owned the Bank of Montreal.  They did such a good job on my head that I pay cash for things.  If I can't pay it off right away I don't get it.  That has a down side, when I went to open an account at the credit union in Campbell River they refused me because I had no "record" with...whoever the gang of crooks and conspirators checks people out for them.  We had a rather protracted contretemps with some significant volume until someone took my advice and phoned my usual Credit Union to ask ....then they very hurriedly allowed me to open a chequing account.  All I wanted was a "local" account because some stores are hesitant to cash out of town cheques.  

I know we all have to pay too much for everything we need and I know few people get paid enough for the often mean and horrible work they do.  I also know there are maggots squirming and swarming on the top of the pile, making obscene amounts of munny at the expense of the working people.

I guess if Jesus was only worth thirty pieces of silver there's no reason Adam Zimmerman should have been getting paid thirteen million a year to clearcut this Island.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 20, 2008, 07:35:35 PM
Oh, the golden parachutes this week -- for guys who led their troops to disaster -- are beyond belief.

You ever had a job for nine months, failed in it, and been paid $15 million to leave?

Me neither.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on September 20, 2008, 08:14:39 PM
A number of years ago, decades ago in fact, the federal gov't gave some company a million dollars because they hadn't sold a Candu reactor and so didn't get a commission.  So I wrote a letter and sent copies to half a dozen people, from Prime Minister to Finance Minister to...y'know...and I said that I hadn't managed to sell a Candu reactor, either, and would they please send me a million dollars.

Did not hear from a single one of them so wrote another letter saying I hadn't sold a Candu to Algeria, hadn't sold one to Bulgaria....went down the alphabet and assured them I hadn't been able to sell a Candu to anyone, not even Zanzibar but I wasn't holding out for a million per country, just send the original one million and we'll call'er even.

Still didn't hear from anybody.
Never did get the million dollars.

It AINT FAIR.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 21, 2008, 12:18:01 PM
Crap (http://www.lacitybeat.com/cms/story/detail/wonkette_weekette_september_18_2008/7514/).


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Sorry Dudes No Hot Sarah Palin Affairs on Record
Oh goodness everybody’s panties were in a lather on Friday when it was revealed that some former business pal of Todd Palin had asked to have his divorce records sealed — presumably because they contained page after blistering page of descriptions of hot sexing with Todd Palin’s wife, a pretty lady who is running for vice president. After all, the National Equirer said she’d had an affair with a business associate of her husband, and how many business associates can a guy have?

Alas, there’s no there there, at least not with this associate, Scott Richter.

The noble reader-monkeys at The Smoking Gun went through all 98 tedious pages of Richter’s divorce filing and found nothing salacious or even very interesting in there. Basically the guy just wanted his records sealed because reporters were bothering him, but the only way he knows the Palins is he owns a cabin with them somewhere.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 21, 2008, 12:25:28 PM
Um, fyrnova? I've never visited that site before, and I don't think I'm ever going back.

Read the post about Biden. It's deeply racist. Those people are nutz.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 21, 2008, 12:32:16 PM
I don't read it that way, skdadl. Seems to be calling the people in Pennsylvania racists.

ETA: I got there by googling 'Palin Richter'.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 21, 2008, 12:36:29 PM
I got this far:

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Joe Biden tried so hard with these folks. He even told them that Barry would end the “war on unions,” a term that only exists when you’re pandering to old working-class white people. And then he slobbered his nigra-loving saliva all over some old dame:

and figured I'd gone far enough.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 21, 2008, 12:46:19 PM
Well, it's weirdly and badly written, but I think he's mocking Biden for even trying with these people. He quotes the woman Biden kissed as saying she won't vote for him, Obama is a Muslin etc. I think the site is a freebie entertainment paper, like Now in Toronto. Edgy, doncha know?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: saraline on September 21, 2008, 12:56:41 PM
Heather Malick receives backlash for calling Palin and her supporters "white trash" (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/080920/world/us_cda_palin)

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"I'd love to punch you right in your chops and knock every tooth out of your head. Come see me bitch, I have something for you!" someone named Dave Jones wrote in an email to Mallick.

....

"The responses to my column proved me correct about the extreme right in the United States: they have a great misogynist rage in them," Mallick said in an interview from Toronto on Saturday.

Here's Malick's original opinion piece that's causing all the ruckus (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/09/05/f-vp-mallick.html)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 21, 2008, 01:09:10 PM
Hi, again, saraline. I think we're talking about this somewhere, so I thought I'd point out a lovely feature here, TAT, or Today's Active Topics. There are so many formats, I don't know where to tell you to look. Go to the home page and look for TAT somewhere near the top. Click on it and be happy.  :D
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 21, 2008, 01:15:31 PM
Quote from: fern hill
Edgy, doncha know?

Try: a lot of young people, especially in Merka, are deeply ignorant. They've got smart mouths, but they're 'way out of their depth. And they are seriously underestimating older people because they stereotype older people.

Biden is 65. His wife is 57. I'm approaching 63. The most progressive cohort that North America has ever seen (mine), plus the biggest one (people born between 1945 and 1955), counts a lot, a whole lot, and if edgy youngsters can't see that, then they are stupid.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 21, 2008, 01:52:22 PM
It was inevitable. Palin for President (http://the-mound-of-sound.blogspot.com/2008/09/your-daily-laugh-palin-for-president.html).
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 21, 2008, 01:59:16 PM
Yay! Michael Palin for prezzie! Yay!
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 21, 2008, 02:35:32 PM
This is kind of serious for this thread, but it is related to Palin.

Women, we need to talk (http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/letters/wb/177514).

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Since Sarah Palin was nominated by the Republican Party to be the heartbeat-away-president of the United States, something has started to happen under the radar screen of the public media. It's happening in parking lots, grocery stores, in waiting rooms and in e-mail exchanges among women of distant acquaintance. Women of an older generation are spilling their stories with an urgency I've never witnessed before.

The Obama bumper sticker on my car emboldened a 78-year-old woman to approach me on her way out of the Blacksburg Recreation Center. Though we'd been in the same yoga class for two years, until last week we'd exchanged only pleasantries. "I like your bumper sticker," Mary (not her real name) said, as we headed toward our cars. "What do you think of Sarah Palin?"

For 20 minutes we stood next to our cars in a soft drizzle. Mary told me a story I wish every young woman could hear. Not because it is unique; quite the opposite. Before Roe v. Wade, almost every woman's life had been touched by a crisis like Mary's, either personally or through a family member or friend.

. . . .

We don't keep fire extinguishers in our homes because we're careless with matches or expect to have a fire. Young and old women need to talk. We need to hear each other's stories, help each other process past and present, and prepare for the urgent choice each woman will make on Nov. 4.

We've witnessed what has happened to women in other parts of the world when their clocks were set back in the name of God. Now is the time to sound the alarm in America. It's time for women of all ages to turn off the "reality shows" and tune in to reality. We are all in this together, and we are in trouble. This election is the most important of our lives.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: deBeauxOs on September 21, 2008, 03:19:05 PM
s'okay fern, we can do serious in this thread too.  The link I posted above is to a hard-hitting post at TruthOut.

ETA:  :annoyed: It's on the previous page (http://www.truthout.org/article/palin-can-launch-us-back-time).  Lots of blather about Biden between there and here.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 21, 2008, 03:31:07 PM
Good piece, dBO. I missed it.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 22, 2008, 09:24:48 AM
Found this (http://sarahmolecules.ytmnd.com/) at JJ's.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 22, 2008, 09:30:10 AM
:rotfl:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 22, 2008, 10:49:51 AM
That post of JJ's (see here (http://unrepentantoldhippie.blogspot.com/2008/09/oh-great.html)  ) about Schlafly and Steinem and Palin is just brilliant, word for word. I'm saving it to nominate for whatever awards we have next year.

How does JJ do it? And I hear she does it all herself!   ;)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: deBeauxOs on September 22, 2008, 10:59:09 AM
Agree.  That was good brain-food, smooth reading and as always, witty in that incomparable JJ way.  I love the paragraph where she paused to address Schlafly's malicious comment about Steinem.   :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 22, 2008, 11:10:45 AM
"the aging Steinem" ... If anyone ever calls you for calling another woman a bitch, give them that phrase of Schlafly's as education.

Schlafly is ten years older than Steinem and has always looked -- well, the way she looks. And I wouldn't say these things if she hadn't done it first. Utter essence of bitchitude, and no one does it better than a winger woman.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on September 22, 2008, 11:46:22 AM
All we need now is a few words from Anita Bryant telling us how Sarah walks on water and fed the entire Repugnant convention with a can of sardines and a few slices of Wonder Bread.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: deBeauxOs on September 22, 2008, 12:21:32 PM
:rotfl:

On a more sombre note.  A minute of silence for all the pigeons sacrificed for the "good" of the Repulsican convention (http://www.breadnroses.ca/birthpangs/2007/08/republican-supporters-kill-the-unborn/).   :shock:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 22, 2008, 01:05:13 PM
Yes, Palin - among other unforgivable sins - spells death to animals wherever she treads.

However, there is something really fishy about that picture of her with the dead caribou - besides the fact it looks like the guy behind her actually shot it. I'm not a hunter - perish the thought - but I've never seen anybody go hunting in a bright yellow raincoat. I suppose the only justification for that would be if you were really, really scared of somebody shooting you instead of the caribou.

She looks like a poseur to me.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: deBeauxOs on September 22, 2008, 02:16:56 PM
That pic does look staged.  I've not known many serious hunters, but I always observed that sturdiness, warmth and resistance to mud and blood splatters tended to inform their clothing choice, and not fashion trends.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on September 22, 2008, 03:34:27 PM
She probably rode a "quad".  Or shot the poor bastard from the air.  You wouldn't do much walking/trekking/hunting in "drybacks", you'd sweat so much you'd wind up soaking wet from the inside.  She could well have shot from a quad or the back of a pickup, I've seen Mighty Nimrods riding in a big easy chair set in the bed of a pickup, with a tripod stand to hold the rifle steady.  You know, back to basic type hunting (snark).  There's no blood spray on her nice yaller outfit so you know she didn't slit it's throat herself.

yep, a can of sardines and three slices of wonderbread and you've got the whole lot of them slavering and drooling because THEY don't know any better themselves.  They probably believe they've got Annie Oakley backing up Madman McCain, the man who has done so much to block any chance at all of finding out the truth about the unreturned prisoners.

His whole heroism thing is bullshit, y'know.  Just as her whole schtick is bullshit.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on September 22, 2008, 03:34:51 PM
She probably rode a "quad".  Or shot the poor bastard from the air.  You wouldn't do much walking/trekking/hunting in "drybacks", you'd sweat so much you'd wind up soaking wet from the inside.  She could well have shot from a quad or the back of a pickup, I've seen Mighty Nimrods riding in a big easy chair set in the bed of a pickup, with a tripod stand to hold the rifle steady.  You know, back to basic type hunting (snark).  There's no blood spray on her nice yaller outfit so you know she didn't slit it's throat herself.

yep, a can of sardines and three slices of wonderbread and you've got the whole lot of them slavering and drooling because THEY don't know any better themselves.  They probably believe they've got Annie Oakley backing up Madman McCain, the man who has done so much to block any chance at all of finding out the truth about the unreturned prisoners.

His whole heroism thing is bullshit, y'know.  Just as her whole schtick is bullshit.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: saraline on September 23, 2008, 12:37:29 AM
Quote from: brebis noire
- but I've never seen anybody go hunting in a bright yellow raincoat. I suppose the only justification for that would be if you were really, really scared of somebody shooting you instead of the caribou.

I am also not a hunter, but I grew up in a rural area and knew a lot of people who did hunt. I know a lot of them wore orange so they wouldn't get shot by other hunters. I think it's much safer than camoflage, especially if it's during hunting season when the woods are full of people who shoot anything that moves.    :flame
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: arborman on September 23, 2008, 01:43:23 AM
Quote from: anne cameron

Just one nation which has really got a clue about it.

Two - Switzerland, with the not invading anybody.  And Iceland, with the no standing army for 1000 years.

Beyond that, not many.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 23, 2008, 06:55:32 AM
I'm sure they don't have many soldiers, but Iceland actually contributed one officer to the Coalition of the Willing in Iraq. I remember reading about his final withdrawal, which was pretty recent, maybe last year?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 23, 2008, 06:58:18 AM
Quote from: saraline
Quote from: brebis noire
- but I've never seen anybody go hunting in a bright yellow raincoat. I suppose the only justification for that would be if you were really, really scared of somebody shooting you instead of the caribou.

I am also not a hunter, but I grew up in a rural area and knew a lot of people who did hunt. I know a lot of them wore orange so they wouldn't get shot by other hunters. I think it's much safer than camoflage, especially if it's during hunting season when the woods are full of people who shoot anything that moves.    :flame

You're quite right; I'm in a rural area, and that's what people do - an orange vest or something with a flash of orange is pretty standard for when you're trekking through the woods. But I've never ever seen anybody wearing a full, bright yellow coat; to me that either signals a whole nother level of fear of getting shot, or else that you're not needing to get anywhere near where the animal could spot you and run so you could wear a clown suit for all it would matter.  

Aside from using quads and airplanes and fancy guns, I do find that people are using more and more unfair means to kill game. Some people start in August, feeding the deer carrots and apples every single day, so that they'll be practically tame come hunting season.  :roll:  :evil:

I think I was about 7 when I realised how hunting was such a mean business; my dad would shoot Canada geese and bring them home, where they stunk up the basement and nobody was too pleased to eat them, so he stopped. People have tried to change my mind since then, but have not succeeded. I have tried to be open-minded about it, but I keep coming back to the same conclusion.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 23, 2008, 07:33:18 AM
T came from a family who hunted in the Highlands every fall. He once described to me the first time that the older men took him out and taught him to shoot a deer. He did kill one. The one and only. After that, he refused to go ever again.

He ate venison occasionally, though. And I might be tempted, because it is delicious. I've never sorted this through in my mind very well.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 23, 2008, 08:06:54 AM
Heh.

If Democrats were Republicans, they would totally approve this ad. (http://www.236.com/video/2008/democrats_cant_count_on_the_9059.php)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 23, 2008, 08:25:21 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Debra on September 23, 2008, 08:39:17 AM
heh true enough they would.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Debra on September 23, 2008, 09:06:05 AM
cartoon (http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm/dyn/aid/3746/context/archive)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on September 23, 2008, 11:40:31 AM
Love ya, arborman....thanks
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: chester on September 23, 2008, 04:17:01 PM
well it used to be and i imagine still is, the law that hunters had to wear specifically coloured clothing.  when i was a kid and used to hunt with family and neighbours the colours were orange, red, yellow and white (!!???) and the suits had to be full so mostly they were overalls.  i always thought white was wierd since there was a good chance there would be snow on the ground but there you go.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: 'lance on September 23, 2008, 04:44:09 PM
When I lived in small-town Ont., lots of people still hunted wearing those red-and-black checked jack shirts (aka "Ottawa Valley tuxedo jackets"). One of our high-school teachers, an avid hunter, gave us a safety lecture every fall. He said that some significant number of people -- I think he said 3-5% -- can't tell red from brown at a hundred yards, especially in dim light or a forested area. So wearing one of those shirts, instead of blaze orange, would seriously increase your chances of being mistaken for a deer by some dolt. Some other dolt, I should maybe say.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 23, 2008, 05:17:06 PM
I always thought that was the purpose of the plaid flannel shirts, although I should think that red and black is too dark a combination for the woods.

In the Highlands people traditionally wore pale green tweed, which could be a mistake too. It's very handsome, but it blends in too well when you're actually stalking through the woods. Probably looks teddibly groovy when you stalk into an Edinburgh pub, though.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Antonia on September 23, 2008, 05:31:09 PM
Orange. (http://www.llbean.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?categoryId=1114&catalogId=1&storeId=1&langId=-1&nav=tn-ln&qs=5490949-NSOGoogle)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 23, 2008, 05:40:55 PM
Knock, knock.

Who's there?

Orange ...

Ok, I'll stop there. It is srsly evul to link me to LL Bean, Antonia. You've heard about the fortunes that have been lost on Wall Street this week? They are as nothing compared to my LL Bean follies. LL Bean and eBay: there must be a recovery program.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Antonia on September 23, 2008, 05:42:39 PM
yeah. It's called Land's End.

Or in my case, J. Crew.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 23, 2008, 05:45:44 PM
I loved J Crew for a time, but they stayed young, and I, sadly, did not. Maybe I should look again.

I can't cope with shrinky stuff. I wish that great big shoulder pads would come back -- the Barbara Frum ca 1980 look. That was a good disguise for me.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Antonia on September 23, 2008, 05:58:58 PM
J. Crew has great classics. I actually bought a fancy party dress off them this summer.

And, believe it or not, Victoria's Secret has amazing cotton basics -- tees and sweaters, I mean -- for great prices.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: sparqui on September 23, 2008, 07:41:10 PM
J. Crew also has dog sweaters :-)

Crew Mutts (http://www.jcrew.com/AST/Browse/WomenBrowse/Women_Feature_Assortment/crewmutts.jsp?srcCode=YAHU153187&noPopUp=true)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Antonia on September 23, 2008, 08:44:13 PM
Jericho came with a fur coat.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Antonia on September 24, 2008, 08:15:58 PM
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/national_enquirer_world_exclusive_sarah_palins_secret_lover_revealed/celebrity/65481

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In a world exclusive The NATIONAL ENQUIRER names GOP VP Candidate Sarah Palin's secret lover!

No less than three members of the man’s family including one by sworn affidavit have claimed that Sarah Palin engaged in an extramarital affair with hus­band Todd’s former business partner, Brad Hanson.

These sources have named Hanson as Palin’s secret love, and say their affair nearly wrecked both their marriages.

Hanson owned a snowmobile dealership with Palin’s husband Todd, who immediately dissolved the partnership after he heard stories about the affair, which occurred around 1996, according to the sources.  At the time, Palin was mayor of Wasilla.

Palin has vehemently de­nied cheating on her hus­band, and Hanson insisted to The NATIONAL ENQUIRER that he was never romantically in­volved with the 44-year-old Republican vice presiden­tial candidate.

However, Hanson family insider, Jim Burdett, has gone on the record and passed a rigorous polygraph test, revealing de­tails of the affair to The NATIONAL ENQUIRER in a world exclusive interview...
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Antonia on September 24, 2008, 09:41:30 PM
(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk34/feministing/zygotevotepg.jpg)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Mandos on September 25, 2008, 01:38:43 AM
Say, Antonia, have you ever been introduced to Umbert the Unborn?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Mandos on September 25, 2008, 01:43:05 AM
This is some seriously advanced Umbertery, not for beginners:

http://www.umberttheunborn.com/umbcmx01.pdf (http://www.umberttheunborn.com/umbcmx01.pdf)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Mandos on September 25, 2008, 01:45:08 AM
Umbert for beginners:

http://www.umberttheunborn.com/umbsamps.pdf (http://www.umberttheunborn.com/umbsamps.pdf)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Mandos on September 25, 2008, 01:56:20 AM
I can never get enough of Umbert.  Umbertian stem cell research objection in a nutshell:

http://www.umberttheunborn.com/wombsite1_012.htm (http://www.umberttheunborn.com/wombsite1_012.htm)

Frozen embryos dream of hot chocolate.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Antonia on September 25, 2008, 02:18:06 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Mandos on September 25, 2008, 02:59:39 AM
It's serious, you realize.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: saraline on September 25, 2008, 11:27:49 AM
Antonia, that t-shirt is hilarious!
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Gigi on September 25, 2008, 12:17:27 PM
Quote from: Mandos
This is some seriously advanced Umbertery, not for beginners:

http://www.umberttheunborn.com/umbcmx01.pdf (http://www.umberttheunborn.com/umbcmx01.pdf)

That's f'ing insane.  There's no other word for that.  It got worse and worse by the panel.

There is SO MUCH wrong with that I don't even know where to begin.

I think my head may explode.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Mandos on September 25, 2008, 12:39:02 PM
You say it got worse every panel.  Every panel, my chuckle grew louder.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: deBeauxOs on September 25, 2008, 04:26:50 PM
Back to Sarah Palin, for a moment  :whis:

Birth Pangs has been getting hits from MOMocrats™, so I checked the blog out and found that they had posted the Katie Couric interview with Palin (http://momocrats.typepad.com/momocrats/2008/09/katie-couric-in.html).  Be afraid.  Be very afraid.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on September 25, 2008, 08:05:44 PM
Oh my GAWD.
Years ago, another lifetime ago, shortly after I was married, my now-ex and I visited his family in Quebec.  In a little town whose name I absolutely fell in love with, St. Louis de Ha Ha, he bought me a little toy, a sort of doggy bank, you dropped in a penny and this little thing hopped and the head bobbled.

My firstborn wore it out and ... here it is, different shape, years later, just put in a penny and the mouth moves...is it battery operated or do they have to wind it up before they turn it loose?

She didn't seem to understand the questions.  And the answers were memorized.

Indeed, be afraid, be very afraid!
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: jrootham on September 25, 2008, 11:53:44 PM
Hey, I've been in St. Louis de Ha Ha.  

The first time I rode my bike out into New Brunswick (from Montreal that time) the road across the base of the Gaspesie went through the town.  It was the highest point on the road, tide water to 1,000 ft. in half a day on a 3 speed.

The joys of being young and foolish.

The second time the road bypassed the town.

edited to fix altitude.
[/drift]
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 26, 2008, 08:16:18 AM
Crunchy Con, once huge fan, on Palin 'debacle' (http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2008/09/palin-debacle-on-cbs-evening-n.html).  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: saraline on September 26, 2008, 09:01:02 AM
Quote from: fern hill
Crunchy Con, once huge fan, on Palin 'debacle' (http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2008/09/palin-debacle-on-cbs-evening-n.html).  :mrgreen:

I really enjoyed this comment:

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I don't understand the lackof support for Palin and McCain. We say God sends us our leaders, and God has sent us these two. We should support them. It doesn't matter how they answer a question badly or perfectly, Jesus will lead them to make the right answers once they're in the whitehouse. Or do you not believe that??? Come on people. Pray for McCain and Palin, don't critisize their answers to the liberal press. God sent us Reagan, Bush 1, and Bush 2. Now he sends us McCain. And Palin!!!

Why does God hate America?  :innocent
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 26, 2008, 09:04:02 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 26, 2008, 04:15:51 PM
JJ has started a Sarah Palin Bye Bye Watch. (http://unrepentantoldhippie.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-bye-bye-watch.html)

A commenter there left this link to CNN (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/26/palin-should-step-down-conservative-commentator-says/)

JJ is saying it'll happen tonight so that it will be old news by Monday.

ETA: CC's got one too (http://canadiancynic.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-death-watch-hour-one.html).  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: 'lance on September 26, 2008, 05:09:46 PM
If it happens, don't bother to stick a fork in McCain.

He'll be over-done; as dried up as old leather; not even worth throwing in the stock-pot.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 26, 2008, 05:46:07 PM
So, what kind of emergency will she have? Family? Government? I mean, she's gotta have an emergency, they can't just say 'Wow, did we fuck up', right?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: 'lance on September 26, 2008, 06:20:48 PM
Gubmint-financial, I'm guessing.

It'll turn out her predecessor as governor -- not she, of course -- put a whole butt-load of the state's money in Washington Mutual stocks, or junk-bond CDOs, or some such, and now the state's on the verge of financial collapse and can't sell its own bonds or otherwise borrow any bridging funds to keep its operations going and suddenly can't pay its civil service and tearful kindergarten teachers are having to close up their classrooms all across the state and send the little kids -- bundled up against an unusually cold fall -- home. clutching their paper-bag lunches and looking lost and bereft, and....

Verily, verily I say unto you: mark my words.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: k'in on September 26, 2008, 06:24:39 PM
Placenta Previa.  She'll announce she's six months pregnant (remember she's the type that doesn't 'show") and "doctor's orders" she will be sentenced to bed rest for the duration of her pregnancy, no campaigning allowed.

Her fundy followers will be sad, but will understand as the fetus always must come first.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 26, 2008, 06:26:26 PM
'lance, you are scary good. There's munnee, lots of munnee, available for people who can think like that.

Sounds good to me, especially the kindergarten teachers.  :twisted:

Related question: Who will replace her? I think Huckabee would attract the same red-neck gang.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on September 26, 2008, 06:28:12 PM
:lol:  Just got in, best thread on the board and I usually avoid it like the plague.

Palin has said she enjoys running cross-country in Alaska because “it thrashes your guts and your lungs and your thighs.”  :panic  :wigout:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Antonia on September 26, 2008, 06:46:54 PM
She has lost Kathleen Parker, a neocon columnist, the second-most syndicated or something in the US. I recently interviewed her on another matter. She is way right-wing.

http://townhall.com/columnists/KathleenParker/2008/09/26/the_palin_problem

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Palin’s recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League.

No one hates saying that more than I do. Like so many women, I’ve been pulling for Palin, wishing her the best, hoping she will perform brilliantly. I’ve also noticed that I watch her interviews with the held breath of an anxious parent, my finger poised over the mute button in case it gets too painful. Unfortunately, it often does. My cringe reflex is exhausted.

Palin filibusters. She repeats words, filling space with deadwood. Cut the verbiage and there’s not much content there. Here’s but one example of many from her interview with Hannity: “Well, there is a danger in allowing some obsessive partisanship to get into the issue that we’re talking about today. And that’s something that John McCain, too, his track record, proving that he can work both sides of the aisle, he can surpass the partisanship that must be surpassed to deal with an issue like this.”

When Couric pointed to polls showing that the financial crisis had boosted Obama’s numbers, Palin blustered wordily: “I’m not looking at poll numbers. What I think Americans at the end of the day are going to be able to go back and look at track records and see who’s more apt to be talking about solutions and wishing for and hoping for solutions for some opportunity to change, and who’s actually done it?”

If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself.

 :applause:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Croghan27 on September 26, 2008, 06:55:30 PM
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Oh my GAWD.
snip

  In a little town whose name I absolutely fell in love with, St. Louis de Ha Ha,
nudder snip
and

I am a great fan of St. Louis de Ha Ha - I once hadda car (VW microbus, extually) break down there. The folks did all they could for me.

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The first time I rode my bike out into New Brunswick (from Montreal that time) the road across the base of the Gaspesie went through the town. It was the highest point on the road, tide water to 1,000 ft. in half a day on a 3 speed.
snip

The last time I passed by there was a by-pass on the hiway ....  :cry:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on September 26, 2008, 07:02:59 PM
I just watched the Couric interview!  :shock:  Did you all notice when Katie is introducing, with pic of palin beside her, well in that pic palin already has the beginnings of the bedford wives 'eye' look, ala Nancy and Laura! And she says pointin, not pointing.
If she can't say pointing properly then I don't want can has nuclear codes.

eta - obviously I meant Stepford. Reading about the yachts for the rich did something to my brain.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: transplant on September 26, 2008, 07:10:34 PM
Quote from: fern hill
So, what kind of emergency will she have? Family? Government? I mean, she's gotta have an emergency...

The start of moose season?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 26, 2008, 07:11:42 PM
Now, Toe. About dropping one's gs ...

Joe does that a lot, and he is an accomplished and very smart and elegant guy. But part of his charm is the informality and the warmth, so he drops a lot of gs.

I'm pickin' up the habit m'self.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on September 26, 2008, 07:27:29 PM
:lol:

http://www.acreativerevolution.ca/node/1353 (http://www.acreativerevolution.ca/node/1353)  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Antonia on September 26, 2008, 07:28:09 PM
[youtube:1fhc3av8][/youtube:1fhc3av8]
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 26, 2008, 07:34:53 PM
The expression on Katie Couric's face ...  Gosh. That cries out for a caption contest.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on September 26, 2008, 07:36:40 PM
Reading some comments, people writing about Palin's asininity "going down in history as..".  It's not going down in history. Jeebus Cripsy, even Bush isn't going to "go down in history"..not everybody "goes down in history" . How thick can a history book be.  If every arstle went down in history the shelves at the libraries would collapse.  Arstles are just arstles and soon forgotten.  Grover who?  And even when arstles do wind up being remembered for some time, the REAL arstles remain faceless.  

Palin is going to be encouraged to realize her newborn child is not thriving.  Poor little guy is asleep all the time.  Think of the cheeeee-ild.  It's her calling.  Jeebus wants her to mother her poor afflicted lamb...

and then?  Who?  And why, for God's sake!!

As for the election up here...snooooooooooooooooooooooooooooore.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on September 26, 2008, 07:38:03 PM
Does anyone srsly think Palin will go anywhere? Romney/No One would want to be 2nd choice.  Sarah will sit on the whitehouse roof-top with a sniper rifle before that happens.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: k'in on September 26, 2008, 07:43:07 PM
Tell me Tina Fey's working 24/7 live...not just Saturday night...

Bet the McSamiens are wishing they had announced their choice for VP on Hallowe'en, so's they could possibly get away with their trick before the electorate got a chance to hear Palin talk...
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: 'lance on September 26, 2008, 07:45:13 PM
Quote from: fern hill
'lance, you are scary good. There's munnee, lots of munnee, available for people who can think like that.

Sounds good to me, especially the kindergarten teachers.  :twisted:

Why thank'ee, fern. I'd like to say I don't earn my living that way because I have a conscience. The real reason is, I'm too lazy. In politics, the hours and travel requirements suck hippo dick. Not worth the money, for my money.

At least I've firewalled off that section of my brain from the rest. It's like with my MacBook. I sometimes use it for work or teaching, so unfortunately I need to be able to use Windows as well. So I can run a little 'virtual machine' on part of the Mac, within which Windows works away, as well as can be expected, under the charming delusion that it's a Real Little Computer. It's somewhere between Pinocchio and The Matrix.

Anyway it's the same with my virtual-political-consultant subroutine. Totally under control.

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Related question: Who will replace her? I think Huckabee would attract the same red-neck gang.

I'd say he's the likeliest choice. If McCain were to pick Romney, or Lieberman, or (shudder!) Giuliani, the GOP would melt down faster than Three Mile Island and as lethally -- in the circumstances -- as Chernobyl.

But I don't think McCain will be picking anyone. The Republican National Committee -- if it has any political smarts remaining -- will snap its fingers under its nose, deliver itself of a few home truths, and tell him: this [whoever it is] is who it's going to be, and don't give us any of that "maverick" goatshit, or we'll fire your ass out of here and run Huckabee for the Presidentistry, and Romney for Veep.

Quote from: Toedancer
Does anyone srsly think Palin will go anywhere? Romney/No One would want to be 2nd choice.  Sarah will sit on the whitehouse roof-top with a sniper rifle before that happens.

I think Palin will end up doing as she's told. If she kicks up a fuss, it'll come out -- via Republican leaks, mind you -- that she's even more corrupt than Sen. Stevens. R-Alaska, current under indictment for whatever-the-hell-it-is. Not even she could keep running for anything after being handcuffed by FBI agents and frog-marched out of the debate with Biden, live on (inter)national TV.

ETA:

Having read transcripts of this Courit interview, like the Charlie Gibson one before it, and umpteen written responses by appalled bloggers and journalists of all political stripes, I just can't bring myself to watch any of the videos. I have a really low embarrassment threshold.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: saraline on September 26, 2008, 07:48:30 PM
Quote from: transplant
Quote from: fern hill
So, what kind of emergency will she have? Family? Government? I mean, she's gotta have an emergency...

The start of moose season?

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Antonia on September 26, 2008, 07:59:36 PM
Quote
Having read transcripts of this Courit interview, like the Charlie Gibson one before it, and umpteen written responses by appalled bloggers and journalists of all political stripes, I just can't bring myself to watch any of the videos. I have a really low embarrassment threshold.

Oh do watch. They're even better when you hear her.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Antonia on September 26, 2008, 08:02:14 PM
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The expression on Katie Couric's face ... Gosh. That cries out for a caption contest.

From today: http://thestar.blogs.com/broadsides/2008/09/girl-on-girl-ac.html?cid=132394190#comments

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Um, is she kidding? Is she even making sense? How many GOP talking points can't she keep straight?

It's even worse when you actually hear her trying to string those incongruous words together, with Couric interviewing her like she's a child who needs to be spoken to like this, all whispery quiet-like.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Antonia on September 26, 2008, 08:09:31 PM
http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2008/09/cbc-ombudsman-y.html

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CBC Ombudsman, Vince Carlin, responded to the over 300 complaints that they received after Heather Mallick published her column wherein she called Republican men "sexually inadequate," and vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin "white trash."

His response?

    "On CBCNews.ca, there does not appear to be a wide range of “pointy” views. For instance, many of those who complained claimed that there is no one of an opposite ideological viewpoint readily apparent on the service. Unfortunately, this appears to be true."

Carlin also appeared to defend freedom of speech & expression. I'm curious if he believes in section 13.1 of the Canadian Human Rights Act...

    "Most crucially, the CBC should be seeking out the widest range of opinions and defending the right of those individuals to transmit those opinions. Ms. Mallick has a perfect right to hold and transmit her opinions, and the CBC to carry them, as long as they meet the tests of CBC’s Journalistic Standards and Practices."

And then he assessed Mallick's column more particularly as not being based on "facts":

    "Policy calls for opinions to be based on fact. Ms. Mallick’s item generally stays in the opinion column but she does offer some flat statements that appear to offer “facts” without any backup. For instance, there is no factual basis for a broad scale conclusion about the sexual adequacy of Republican men. In fact, that type of comment, applied to any other group, would easily be seen as, at best, puerile. Similarly, the characterization of Palin supporters as white trash lacks a factual basis. I asked Ms. Mallick to explain the basis for these characterizations. In a note she explained her opinions of Ms. Palin, but did not provide a factual justification for the statements."

Read the whole response from Carlin. It's worth it.

This does not surprise me. She really did go over the top. It has happened to me. It's all part of the job.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 26, 2008, 08:28:48 PM
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For instance, there is no factual basis for a broad scale conclusion about the sexual adequacy of Republican men.

 :rotfl:

Um, um, um ... gimme a minute here ...

But srsly, I'm only laughing at the incongruity of having a staid ombudsman come out with a solemn statement like that given the content.

Great post at Broadsides, Antonia. I shall return tomorrow.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: transplant on September 26, 2008, 08:44:12 PM
Quote from: Antonia
[youtube:11uyh08q][/youtube:11uyh08q]

Blitzer said it wasn't her best answer?!?!  The problem is it was her best answer!!!
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: deBeauxOs on September 26, 2008, 10:35:43 PM
Quote from: k'in
... Her fundy followers will be sad, but will understand as the fetus always must come first.
I'm thinking along those lines too, some female problems or another Oopsie pregnancy emergency; perhaps as Anne suggested, something life-threatening regarding the baby.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on September 27, 2008, 09:52:57 AM
sexual adequacy of republican men...seems to me that can be answered by pointing out that attractiveness has got to be considered part of sexual adequacy.  And I'm sure no republican or con would be the least bit attractive to Heather Mallick, therefore... sexually they can be said to be inadequate.

Seems to me it ought to go without saying that an op/ed piece is based on the op of the writer.

And all this other bumph is just...bumph.  With a bit of glurge thrown in just to help add to the mess.

Inadequate, actually.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Croghan27 on September 27, 2008, 02:52:16 PM
Quote from: anne cameron
sexual adequacy of republican men...seems to me that can be answered by pointing out that attractiveness has got to be considered part of sexual adequacy.  And I'm sure no republican or con would be the least bit attractive to Heather Mallick, therefore... sexually they can be said to be inadequate.

Seems to me it ought to go without saying that an op/ed piece is based on the op of the writer.

And all this other bumph is just...bumph.  With a bit of glurge thrown in just to help add to the mess.

Inadequate, actually.

So it is the old bumph and glurge.  
 :rotfl:

Given the post starts speaking about the sexuality of Republican men, wadda great metaphore ..... LUBYA, anne
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 27, 2008, 04:39:38 PM
I'm at sweetie's and have just seen the Couric-Palin interview. I've read a lot about it of course and was expecting bad, but OMFG.  :shock:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 27, 2008, 05:44:51 PM
That's OMFGBBQ!!!11!

Watch some Biden vids. Watch him smile, slowly showing his teeth. (He has very white teeth.) He always looks pleasant, except there are those teeth ...  Kinda like this guy:   :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: lagatta on September 27, 2008, 06:31:48 PM
I hate that USian trend towards unnaturally white teeth. A long time ago, a dentist I knew had to design "scary" teeth, and instead of making them overly pointy  :twisted: or simply mangled, made them perfectly white. There was an article on that in at the BBC online magazine, but I don't want to bee too drifty, (except for St-Louis de Ha Ha).

A nice place to stay there, for a reasonable price: http://www.gitebeausejour.com/ (http://www.gitebeausejour.com/)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 27, 2008, 06:37:37 PM
Well, I'm not sayin' that Biden's teeth look unnatural -- they don't. He is an exceptionally gorgeous 65-yr-old, a real silver fox, with a great smile. And I don't think it's planned or affected at all -- he strikes me as someone utterly comfortable in his own skin (not to mention his teeth), which is one of the things that make him so attractive.

But it's a killer smile. Friendly and warm, but very very canny.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 27, 2008, 06:45:33 PM
Since we're drifting, can somebody (skdadl) point me to the vid I think you mentioned over at JJ's. Joe getting cosy with some female teevee type about gender being a factor, something like that. I'm trying to help with the make Joe sexy campaign.

More drift, having done the tooth-whitening thing recently, I can testify that whiter teeth definitely takes a few years off. And who wouldn't want that?  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 27, 2008, 06:50:34 PM
Well, here (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=kBl7jrD1GzU) is the longest version I've found (gives some context), although the quality is very poor, and it is clearly not complete. If you check out YouTube search under "Biden Couric," you'll find many versions.

On this one, the cute segment happens at about 3.35.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 27, 2008, 07:21:58 PM
Cute, yes. Man has a twinkle.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 27, 2008, 07:24:56 PM
Oh, he twinkles for sure.

Sadly for JJ and me and our eight or ten other members, he also has a gorgeous wife whom he clearly considers gorgeous. Sigh.  ;)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on September 27, 2008, 08:18:56 PM
And she is very gorgeous. At the risk of incurring gril wrath:

 I can't jump on the heart Biden wagon. I remember he clearly he voted in favor of authorizing the invasion of Iraq in 2003, while knowing very well the 2002 intelligence reports said that WMD were no threat to Merkins. He now says well he's changed his mind, didn't know Bush would mishandle it so bad. That doesn't work for me. Obama did not  accept the Bush's transparently false claims about Iraq being a danger to U.S. national security. Did you know that at the same time Obama was speaking at an anti-war rally in Chicago, Biden was pushing through a Senate resolution authorizing the invasion. I see Biden as a war hawk, and if IIRC Biden was a supporter for invasion of Iraq before Bush was. I'm sure it's all written somewhere, maybe wikipedia. By choosing Biden, Obama raises doubts to me, about his commitment to 'change'. I actually don't really see the 'differences' between the Repugs or the Dems. That includes of course putting the corporists in charge of sorting out the bailout.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 27, 2008, 08:24:46 PM
No, Toe, I think you're overstating the case about Biden, although it's true that, like Hillary, he voted along with the majority at first, and Obama didn't.

But he was also warning from the beginning that Rumsfeld's plans were cock-eyed, that there would be no welcome from the Iraqis, that there would be civil war unless a grown-up thought through what was to happen next, which in a sense has still not happened.

You can't expect foreign policy of the kind we believe in from anyone who gets that far in USian politics, and for sure that includes Obama, who, to me, sounds pretty stupid about Afghanistan. And they all sound stupid about Iran, and they're all scared of AIPAC.

That at least is true in public. In the background, I think some of the smarter guys are smarter. They would not, at least, be doing what BushCo did or what McCain would continue to do.

Obama is no peacenik; he's fairly naive on this turf, and he's now in the hands of more powerful people. Biden is much more sophisticated and less likely to fall for shit.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on September 27, 2008, 09:02:11 PM
Quote from: skdadl
Obama is no peacenik; he's fairly naive on this turf, and he's now in the hands of more powerful people. Biden is much more sophisticated and less likely to fall for shit.

Well at least it won't be a Bush/Cheney relationship. And your right he is being handled by the DNC to not rock the boat until they are in office. And even if he does make it to the WH I honestly don't believe 'change' will come. The U.S. is far too corrupt for that. He will achieve minor goals, until/unless the masses WAKE UP! And speaking of that, I hope you will give some consideration to writing a big blog post about Democracy. I know we are distracted when elections are on, but it is something you are hard-headed about and I'd love to see that. And that also reminds me of something Biden said back in ?? regarding Bush making the decision to go into Iraq. I was disturbed by that, because it isn't Bush that gets to decide, it is actually Congress to decide. So how about a blog about real Democracy skdadl?

You know, we up here wonder why Harper clings so heavily on Bush's policies, foreign or otherwise. In fact the newsprint is wondering about that now. Yet what Canadians don't seem to get is, it doesn't really matter to Harpo who wins, cuz he knows the policies won't really change. There is some noise that U.S. is somewhat worried about Harpo's new tough crime bill, sending kids to jail etc., can't afford to build anymore jails and on and on it goes. So we should watch for Harpo changing this once election is over. To see just how influenced he is by the U.S.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 27, 2008, 09:14:34 PM
I am going to write something about democracy (just one wee aspect, though) tomorrow, Toe, maybe -- I mean, I read the comments about the GG at the Grope, and I simply despair that young Canadians don't grasp the distinctions between gov't and state, and then the sub-distinctions that Harper is supposed to be making between being PM and party leader.

But my blogposts won't do the trick. We need a better school system, and given our current politicians -- good luck with that.

About Biden on Bush: I forget how to put the way the Merkins divide up that responsibility. The prezzie has part of a choice, but his choice has to be explicitly authorized by Congress, and beyond that, Congress controls the purse.

From all I can tell, there are lots of Dems who wanted to pull the pursestrings shut long ago, and Biden is one, but there just aren't enough. They can't do it unless they have the numbers to override a veto (I think 60, but on some things it may be higher). Why don't they have all Dems onside? Because so many Merkins were so freaked by 9/11, and even if the congresscritturs have figured out that freaking was a mistake, they fear that most constituents haven't.

I agree that real leadership is needed to get them out of this mess, but it is definitely a mess, and the numbers never work for the Dems.

ETA: I'm wrong. Veto override takes two-thirds of both House and Senate.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on September 27, 2008, 09:27:13 PM
Quote from: skdadl
I am going to write something about democracy (just one wee aspect, though) tomorrow, Toe, maybe -- I mean, I read the comments about the GG at the Grope, and I simply despair that young Canadians don't grasp the distinctions between gov't and state, and then the sub-distinctions that Harper is supposed to be making between being PM and party leader. .

Your blog posts (among others)  go to my daughter who is dating a goddam Christian Con and is a LAWYER, who is bizarrely pro-abortion, pro-gay, and pro-PR! Bizarre.
Yeah her newest, but this is different, she's head over heels. Your posts are important, they educate. To me that is the most important reason for blog posts. And she loves your name. And OMG he will be sitting at my dinner table for Thanksgiving, the day before the Election. I promise to be good.  :lol:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 27, 2008, 09:34:31 PM
Och, Toe: one thing I determined months ago, even before Harper called teh election: no way am I spending Thanksgiving with teh rellies. I love 'em, but ...  No way. Life is short.  ;)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: 'lance on September 27, 2008, 10:33:46 PM
Some time in August, M and I went to donate blood. Of course, when you do that they try to get you to agree to another donation as soon as is allowed, so as we were signing in, they asked "so, can you come back on..." such-and-such a day in October.

Sure, whatever.

A little while later, Harper pulled the trigger, calling an election for Oct. 14.

The 14th, I thought... hmmm, something familiar about that date.

Sure enough: that's the date of the next blood donation.

I thought of rescheduling, and I still might, but likely not. Having blood removed on election night -- appropriate, no?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: arborman on September 28, 2008, 12:06:12 AM
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Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on September 28, 2008, 12:20:36 AM
Well, I'm going to open my yap and put my foot in it big time.  I find this huffin and puffin about how sexy Biden is to be too bloody sexist, heterosexist, and minimalizing for me to keep quiet about it any longer.

Every feminist in the country would shit a brick if JC was to say this or that female politician was sexy but , what, it's okay to pretend to be breathless and have a crush on a married man and oh grab the smelling salts Suzie's taking the vapours and...

it's bull crap and I'm calling bull crap on it.

It ain't cute, it ain't girly, and it doesn't belong on a thread suppsedly dealing with a serious subject like the suitability of Sarah Palin for the second highest power position in the Western world.

Sexy has nothing to do with anything and it's time to stop acting like we're all in grade two and swooning over the new boy on the block.

Now you can throw little balls of shit at me.  I won't even duck.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Mandos on September 28, 2008, 12:38:49 AM
I think the overall idea is that politics in the USA appears to observers to boil down to who voters think wins the American Idol contest.  So the joke is that we can make Biden look like he can win the contest, rather than Palin.  It's not really about being girly or whatever.

But I agree that it's not my cuppa tea.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 28, 2008, 05:01:17 AM
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Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Mandos on September 28, 2008, 05:07:05 AM
Uh oh.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 28, 2008, 05:12:40 AM
Oh, don't be ridic, Mandos.

That's not an uh-oh. People are indeed entitled to their own povs. I'm not trying to rain on anyone else's parade, so people who are bored by JJ's and mine can go find their own, ok? Neither one of us is likely to stop soon.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: lagatta on September 28, 2008, 06:26:05 AM
I don't "get" the Biden stuff either, as I've said before, but it also doesn't bother me to inject a bit of levity. Why is it heterosexist? I certainly have gay and lesbian friends who swoon about such and such a public figure of their own sex - and who cares if they are married, as it is just a silly fantasy.

I don't get having a crush on a bourgeois politician, but that's just me. ;)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 28, 2008, 09:18:55 AM
My stomach is hurting from laffing. Palin gets the SNL treatment again (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/28/gov_palin_gets_the_snl_treatme.html).
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 28, 2008, 09:30:31 AM
:lol:

Tina Fey and Amy Poehler are probably doing more to defeat the Repubs than is Obama himself. Don't quit, girls.  :applause:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 28, 2008, 10:02:22 AM
I think the real thing is much funnier. They do good impersonations though.

One thing that I read yesterday though was that the Dems are touting her as a "real terrific debater". It looks like they don't want the bar to be lowered so much that she will just meet expectations if she shows up and answers a few simple questions relatively coherently.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 28, 2008, 10:17:06 AM
Also, a compassionate analysis by Judith Warner, from the NYTimes (http://warner.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/25/poor-sarah/?em)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on September 28, 2008, 10:48:00 AM
Isn't it the Peter Principle that people get promoted to their first level of incompetence?

Although in this case I would have thought that happened when she was made Governor of Alaska.

I can't feel sorry for her because , well, because she, more than anybody, must know she can't do a good job as Veep.  I suspect she can't do a good job as Governor.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 28, 2008, 10:55:44 AM
Yes, anne. I think what I find most appalling about this situation is her delusion that she is up to the job. I mean, that's just scary.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on September 28, 2008, 11:46:17 AM
I'm all for "confidence".  There's a whack of stuff women have traditionally been told we're not "good at" which we now find out we can do just fine, thank you, given the training.  And certainly we want our kids to feel confident and ...but there's a point beyond which it isn't confidence at all, that brashness is more like blindness or something.  Anyone with a lick of sense who was plucked out of the wayback and set in front of TV cameras and told when we win you'll be second in line to command the biggest military in the world would go "gulp" and start looking for tutors and...but not this one.  Oh, gee, yeah, eh, great, let's do'er.  And that isn't confidence, it's something else and you're right, it's scarey because if, if, and if, and then Madman has a jammer and we wind up with THAT deciding to , what, invade everywhere?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 28, 2008, 12:09:48 PM
Well, part of what's fuelling her delusion is the particular type of religion she's into - traditionally, fundamentalist Protestantism doesn't much like to see women in positions of power, but her brand of neo-Pentecostalism actually seems to encourage women to assume positions where they speak out, lead, use their personalities, etc. A study of women in that religious movement could be interesting; there's an integration of the superficial feminism that touts the equality of women and their personal abilities; a tendency toward television personality cults; plus an end-times philosophy of "these are exceptional times", women are called by God to do exceptional things, etc.


I think Judith Warner is being too kind. Palin might not be as dumb as she looks; it's very hard to tell. It's like Bush all over again - exactly how dumb is he, and if he's as dumb as he appears, how did they pull it off? How come Americans like dumb in presidents so much? Does it make them feel better about themselves somehow?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 28, 2008, 12:22:17 PM
Carl Hiassen (http://www.miamiherald.com/424/story/703133.html) on Palin. High seriousness from a very funny and astute writer.

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If Palin were a male candidate . . .

The vice presidential debate is set for next Thursday, and millions of voters will be watching to see if moderator Gwen Ifill of PBS behaves herself.

Most journalists are still getting accustomed to the Sarah Rules, as established and enforced by John McCain's campaign team. The most important is Sarah Rule No. 1: Don't treat Gov. Palin like a male candidate, or you'll be accused of character assassination.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 28, 2008, 01:17:56 PM
You know what Sarah was doing Friday night? She was at a pub in Philadelphia.

Biden was out doing what veep candidates are supposed to do right after the debate, which is give a half-dozen network interviews really tearing into the substance of what McCain said (and he did that brilliantly). Normally, it would be Sarah's job to do the same from the other side. But she was ... at a pub, and not taking questions.

People who claim that we're the sexists are totalement out to lunch, or they're cynical crooks and liars. It's a job. Can she do it? So far, the answer is no. This ain't rocket science.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Croghan27 on September 28, 2008, 01:50:59 PM
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You know what Sarah was doing Friday night? She was at a pub in Philadelphia
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Hey - I have spent many happy hours in pubs in Philadelphia (okay - one was a sex club). I hold her now in new respect. (Not for her aspired to position, but for good taste in recreation.  :D )
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: k'in on September 28, 2008, 07:20:51 PM
Quote from: skdadl
You know what Sarah was doing Friday night? She was at a pub in Philadelphia.

Biden was out doing what veep candidates are supposed to do right after the debate, which is give a half-dozen network interviews really tearing into the substance of what McCain said (and he did that brilliantly). Normally, it would be Sarah's job to do the same from the other side. But she was ... at a pub, and not taking questions.

Nothing to do with her gender, but her campaign wranglers are wise to keep her away from a microphone.  She's the human equivalent of a hanging curve ball.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Antonia on September 28, 2008, 08:24:30 PM
Right-wing pundit Mona Charen: (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OWE2NGU1YjNhODg2Y2M3ZWNmYmRhOWQ5NDlmYTU0ZGI=)

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Sunday, September 28, 2008

How do you solve a problem like Sarah Palin?   [Mona Charen]



    On Fox News Sunday this morning Bill Kristol said let Palin go – that the McCain team is roping her off from the press and surrounding her with Bushie advisors, which sounds like the third ring of hell. She’s a talented politician, Bill advises, so let her out to do what she is good at doing. I think Bill is mostly right.

    Palin is under extreme pressure. But walling her off will only increase that pressure. She needs the give and take with crowds and with the press to get her feet back under her.

    That much having been said, and here’s where I slightly disagree with Bill, Palin was atrocious not just with Katie Couric but with friendlies like Sean Hannity. She needs to devise answers for questions about foreign policy that do NOT rely on recent cramming. That will look and sound false. She may make stupid errors. And it plays to her weakness. She should never again refer to her Alaska experience as preparation for the role of commander in chief.

She needs instead to play to her strengths which are, as I see it, good solid instincts. If she is asked about Waziristan or whateverstan, she should say that (unlike Obama) her desire is always to be firm with adversaries and fair with allies – and to know the difference.

    She should focus on the reflexive weakness of Democrats on foreign policy. This is one area where a little memorization would be helpful – memorize the foreign policy misjudgments of Obama and Biden and recite them often.

    Finally, McCain made a mistake in his debate with Obama that Palin should correct. He kept citing Obama’s opposition to the surge as evidence that he was wrong in the past. But the point Palin can drive home is that the progress in Iraq is still fragile. That war can still be lost and likely will be if Obama/Biden are elected. That would gladden the heart of bin Laden and the rest of the monsters who hate us.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 29, 2008, 07:47:56 AM
I think an excellent idea would now be to shut her up in rooms with a wide selection of right wing pundits so they can throw all kinds of advice at her about what to say. Then unleash her with all sorts of their nasty and wildly inaccurate statements and analysis. It will be even more fun than it has been already.  :twisted:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: pogge on September 29, 2008, 08:04:28 AM
Quote from: brebis noire
I think an excellent idea would now be to shut her up in rooms with a wide selection of right wing pundits...
I thought they'd already done that. I didn't think anyone could get that confused all by herself.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 29, 2008, 08:10:37 AM
I wrote pundits but I meant bloggers.  (Coffee hasn't kicked in yet.) They're resentful that everybody else has had a go at stuffing her head with talking points, and they want their turn. I say: let em all at er - what've they got to lose?  :)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 29, 2008, 08:26:41 AM
Great idea. Charen is deluded, imho, in thinking that Sarah could "devise" answers all on her own that would sound less wingy than what she's been saying. I mean, how much more do you have to hear before you get a clue?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 29, 2008, 08:34:16 AM
Quote from: skdadl
People who claim that we're the sexists are totalement out to lunch, or they're cynical crooks and liars. It's a job. Can she do it? So far, the answer is no. This ain't rocket science.

I remember very well how easy it was in 2000, when Stockboy was opposition leader and the press made it very clear to everybody very quickly that he didn't have the brains for the job. They were merciless with him.
He was like a male Palin - the photo-ops, the boyish charm, the one or two jokes he had memorised. The Pentecostal background and the dinosaurs too.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: transplant on September 29, 2008, 09:14:03 AM
Palin Claimed Dinosaurs And People Coexisted (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-palinreligion28-2008sep28,0,3643718.story?track=rss)

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Palin told him that "dinosaurs and humans walked the Earth at the same time," Munger said. When he asked her about prehistoric fossils and tracks dating back millions of years, Palin said "she had seen pictures of human footprints inside the tracks..."

Quelle surprise.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 29, 2008, 09:23:04 AM
Heh heh. Next test: take her to Niagara Falls and ask her which way the water is flowing.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 29, 2008, 03:14:39 PM
Palin is apparently sequestered -- with her entire fambly! -- this week at McCain's ranch, where she is being prepped for the debate with Joe on Thursday.

And this (http://www.edmontonsun.com/canadavotes/news/2008/09/13/6758576.html) is the kind of s**t spin that McCain strategists and Faux News are putting on the debate. As EW says, they are playing the ref when they warn Gwen Ifill about the questions she will ask -- the noive!

It is pathetic, but rilly, these people do not quit unless you ... well, I won't finish that sentence.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 29, 2008, 03:22:59 PM
Andrew Sullivan: The Lies and Lies and Lies of Sarah Palin (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/the-lies-and-li.html). Lots of good links.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: The Hegemo on September 29, 2008, 05:03:10 PM
Brilliant and vicious rant by Matt Taibbi about Palin (http://smirkingchimp.com/print/17504/):

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But watching Palin's speech, I had no doubt that I was witnessing a historic, iconic performance. The candidate sauntered to the lectern with the assurance of a sleepwalker - and immediately launched into a symphony of snorting and sneering remarks, taking time out in between the superior invective to present herself as just a humble gal with a beefcake husband and a brood of healthy, combat-ready spawn who just happened to be the innocent targets of a communist and probably also homosexual media conspiracy. It was a virtuoso performance. She appeared to be completely without shame and utterly full of shit, awing a room full of hardened reporters with her sickly sweet line about the high-school-flame-turned-hubby who, "five children later" is "still my guy." It was like watching Gidget address the Reichstag.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 29, 2008, 05:32:16 PM
That was amazing, The Heg. I was laughing through the first bit, then stopped, then started despairing. Again.

We are well and truly fucked.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: 'lance on September 29, 2008, 06:40:49 PM
Maybe -- but if by that you mean McCain and Palin are likely to win, I doubt it. (http://www.slate.com/id/2201175/)

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Finally, it's clear that the chaos is poison for the top of the ticket. McCain's poll numbers have eroded throughout September as the financial crisis picked up pace. The volatility in the markets doesn't seem to be doing much for the more volatile candidate in the race. Every time the market falls a few hundred points, Obama seems to pick up support. On Intrade, where the price of McCain's presidential contracts have slipped to their lowest levels in months, traders now give Obama a 60 percent chance of winning.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on September 29, 2008, 06:48:48 PM
I hope you're right, 'lance. But, there's quite a while to go before the USian election. If the markets and, more importantly, the real economy goes swirling counterclockwise downwards, who knows who the ijits will vote for? And there's the constant possibility of more outright election theft.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 29, 2008, 06:52:12 PM
Interview Sarah Palin. (http://interviewpalin.com/r1)

It's only fun if you keep it interactive -- ie, keep pushing the buttons, or ask a new question.

'lance, there's one thing you may not be factoring in: Karl Rove, and what Rove's shop has been doing to the voting system from several angles all over the U.S., but especially in the swing states, for seven years now. It's not just the machines (although it probably is the machines in some places). Voter suppression is a srs problem, and Rove rigged the DoJ to make that happen.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Antonia on September 29, 2008, 07:55:58 PM
Isn't it time for Barack's cousin Osama Bin Laden to make a video speech endorsing him?  :lol:  :roll:  :lol:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: 'lance on September 29, 2008, 08:00:14 PM
Quote from: skdadl
'lance, there's one thing you may not be factoring in: Karl Rove, and what Rove's shop has been doing to the voting system from several angles all over the U.S., but especially in the swing states, for seven years now. It's not just the machines (although it probably is the machines in some places). Voter suppression is a srs problem, and Rove rigged the DoJ to make that happen.

True. But for a number of reasons, some good (Harper and crowd are not, after all, pulling into the 40% range in the polls; and I have a hundred bucks says they don't get their majority on Oct. 14), some trivial (we brought in a bumper crop of tomatoes, carrots, turnips and potatoes yesterday; it's a beautiful day today; we have a dance class tonight), I'm disinclined, just for once, to think Everything's Fucked And There's No Hope Anywhere.

No, come to think of it: not just for once.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 29, 2008, 08:11:29 PM
Quote from: Antonia
Isn't it time for Barack's cousin Osama Bin Laden to make a video speech endorsing him?  :lol:  :roll:  :lol:

Saddam Osama Hussein bin Laden, as I believe he is known by all too many in the Excited States.

Did you know that Obama's middle name is Hussein, btw? Well, it is. And that should tell us all ... something.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: pogge on September 29, 2008, 08:13:49 PM
That's nothing. Did you know John McCain was once a Prisoner Of War? He really doesn't like to talk about it but somehow someone managed to worm it out of him.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 29, 2008, 08:59:29 PM
Quote from: skdadl
Quote from: Antonia
Isn't it time for Barack's cousin Osama Bin Laden to make a video speech endorsing him?  :lol:  :roll:  :lol:

Saddam Osama Hussein bin Laden, as I believe he is known by all too many in the Excited States.

Did you know that Obama's middle name is Hussein, btw? Well, it is. And that should tell us all ... something.

Get with the program, willya? His first name is Barack, just like Barak - you know, the guy in the Old Testament who got Deborah to get the Israelites to go to war. That can only mean he has Jewish ancestry...which of course means he's the Antichrist.  Which would explain why the liberals all hail him as the Messiah.  :twisted:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 29, 2008, 09:14:00 PM
:lol:

Obama has a superfluity of ancestry. He's even Irish, which bodes well for a Merkin president. I hear that in Ireland, they call him Barry O'Bama.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: transplant on September 29, 2008, 11:52:06 PM
Latest Palin Gaffe: Can't Name Supreme Court Case Other Than Roe V. Wade (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/29/latest-palin-gaffe-cant-n_n_130395.html)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: lagatta on September 30, 2008, 07:34:20 AM
Gosh, everyone is Irish. Che was Irish - his dad was Guevera Walsh. Guevera's Irish roots (http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/che_guevara_irish_roots.htm). But Gidget was Jewish. Sure Palin thinks that Jeebus was Aryan, though.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 30, 2008, 07:42:25 AM
And if English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for her.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 30, 2008, 07:50:30 AM
If he wasn't then, he is now.
But for Palin and her ilk, Jewish people are bit players in the Apocalypse. (In addition to being object lessons in history, of course.)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on September 30, 2008, 08:54:59 AM
Well,a'course he wuz. I've seen pitchers of him, okay?  And he had blond hair, kind'a hippy-like, down to his shoulders.  And blue eyes.  And he wuz a medical miracul because he had a big hole in his chest and his valentine-heart showed up plain as anythink.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: lagatta on September 30, 2008, 09:16:47 AM
He inherited both the Aryan looks and the open heart from his mum, who was an even greater medical miracle because she had a 33-year-old son and still didn't look a day over 18.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 30, 2008, 11:55:53 AM
Heh. McCain and Palin: reading the pictures (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-shaw/reading-the-pictures-emfi_b_130536.html)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 30, 2008, 01:43:11 PM
You have to see this one -- at Crooks and Liars. (http://www.crooksandliars.com/)

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Palin: And I do look forward to Thursday night and debating Sen. Joe Biden. We’re gonna talk about those new ideas, new energy for America. I’m looking forward to meeting him too. I’ve never met him before, but I’ve been hearing about his Senate speeches since I was in like second grade.

 :rotfl:

Biden must be doubled up by now. With laughter, I mean. If he were another woman, we could say Mee-hee-ee-ow! But that is just gonna make him smile more.

It's bad enough to read that quote, but if you want the full effect, you must watch her deliver it. She is so bizarre.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Debra on September 30, 2008, 01:54:08 PM
bizarre is one word for her.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on September 30, 2008, 01:55:08 PM
If she was trying to put him down with that, she not only failed miserably, but came off as an even bigger idiot. Hearing about Senate speeches as a second grader, oh yes.  :lol:

And of course, one has to wonder how likely that is, since as an adult she's not aware of any Supreme Court cases besides Roe v. Wade.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 30, 2008, 02:09:48 PM
A commenter at EW's just did the numbers:

Sarah would have started second grade in either 1971 or 1972 (b 1964).

Biden was sworn in as a senator in Jan 1973. (And he was sworn in at the bedside of his two very young sons, injured in the car crash that had just killed his wife and infant daughter.) He was (and, I dunno, he may remain) the youngest senator ever at that point, so it's kind of hard to see what speeches Sarah would have been picking up on in the spring of 1973, 'way off there in grade two in Alaska. I'm sure his people will figure that out.   :mrgreen:

ETA: Oh, and there's the more obvious question: has she looked at her running mate?  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: deBeauxOs on September 30, 2008, 02:37:52 PM
Could the Joe Biden fawn club posts be located in its own dedicated thread (where I don't have to read this glurge)?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Gigi on September 30, 2008, 02:38:31 PM
(FYI: everytime I see the name of this thread I think, "that would fit on the head of a pin, actually.")
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: chester on September 30, 2008, 03:07:37 PM
Quote from: deBeauxOs
Could the Joe Biden fawn club posts be located in its own dedicated thread (where I don't have to read this glurge)?
:popcorn  :popcorn
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 30, 2008, 03:29:26 PM
Huh? This is the Sarah Palin thread. We were having an exchange about something stupid Sarah Palin said about Joe Biden. It's kind of difficult to keep the topics separate, since their debate is upcoming and Sarah's stupidest lines for a few days are likely to be about Biden.

Sheesh.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: lagatta on September 30, 2008, 04:20:19 PM
skdadl, you can tweak that running mate quote and (miaou) recycle it for Wente's take on the "ageing" Heather Mallick.  :twisted:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 30, 2008, 05:47:12 PM
Great minds, lagatta ... That is prezackly what I have been contemplating for the last couple of hours. Prezackly!
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on September 30, 2008, 09:30:56 PM
Never think it can't get worse. (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkWebP2Q0Y)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on October 01, 2008, 06:00:51 AM
Oh god. I can't decide if that's worse or better.
"Any of 'em, all of 'em, any that have been in front of me all these years...." I'm guessing she didn't want to name the ones she actually reads. Though I could probably guess: End Times Magazine, Armageddon Now, Friends of Israel, Hunting and Fishing, Today's Christian Woman (though that would probably be too mainstream...)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on October 01, 2008, 11:38:25 AM
The Book of Armaggedon with Aramaic subtitles....
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: transplant on October 01, 2008, 03:10:10 PM
Alaskan Troopergate Witness Flips Under Oath (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/30/11451/4129/817/615479)

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Daily Kos -  It seems that at least one independent witness in the Troopergate investigation has changed her tune once she was sworn under oath.

Murlene Wilkens, the private contractor hired to manage Worker's Compensation claims for the State of Alaska at first released statements that no pressure was put on her in the case of Trooper Wooten, Sarah Palin's ex-brother-in-law. ...

it appears that Wilkens' story under oath suddenly changed, and after seeing hard evidence, including sworn testimony of one of her own employees, she admits to denying Trooper Wooten's previously approved claim at the direct request of Sarah and Todd Palin.

Much more to Sarah Palin's abuse of power and her vendetta against the ex-brother-in-law is beginning to surface.  And of course, goon-husband Todd is right in the middle of it. ...
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on October 01, 2008, 03:59:38 PM
And Blackmail according to the Public Record (http://www.pubrecord.org/component/content/359.html?task=view)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on October 01, 2008, 04:33:10 PM
This is interesting. (http://www.feministing.com/archives/011346.html)

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   When it comes to Palin, there's an intersection of sexism and age that the Republicans don't understand (which is why they keep crying sexism and wonder why it's not working).

    For many Boomer women, the primary sexist experience of their lives is: "Those men gave the job to that guy instead of me, even though I am more qualified and/or have more seniority."

    For many Gen X women like myself (and Palin is Gen X) the primary sexist experience is: "Those men gave the job to that clueless chick instead of me, because the boss thinks she's hot and/or will be a yes-man with no ideas of her own."

    If, for some Boomer women, Obama's win over Hillary represents the guy they lost the promotion to, Palin's selection plays the same role for Gen X women. We've seen it: first the incompetent yet babelicious woman is promoted over her head, then the boss orders the attention of the entire team/department/etc. to focus on ensuring that "we" shield her from "mistakes" (or worse, we get blamed for her mistakes). Palin reminds us of when we got screwed by this sort of bullshit. And it shows in voters' response to her.

The Boomer part sounds right to me. How about the Gen X?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Gigi on October 01, 2008, 04:41:11 PM
Quote from: fern hill
The Boomer part sounds right to me. How about the Gen X?
I've never actually experienced the Gen X deal (though I have seen the Old Boy's Network alive and well right up to this very minute).

I'd like to hope no one thought I was it.   (Though I bet they probably assumed a combination of black AND female "affirmative action" until I ripped them new assholes and questioned their manly engineering superiority into the dirt. *cough*  There've been a couple of times where apparently I required a clean up crew to smooth some ruffled feathers.)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on October 01, 2008, 04:55:46 PM
The Boomer overgeneralization doesn't work for me, even though it's true that I had that experience -- guy with fewer qualifications doing same work as me being paid more than me: "But he is going to have to support a wife and family." Check.   :roll:

So sure, I knew and hated that phenom, but I also saw the babelicious phenom. There were other syndromes, even, and probably still are: the Joan Crawford murdering bitch-boss scenario, the clucking fussy mother hens scenario ("Who do you think you are, missy?" -- ie, the women who work as enforcers for the patriarchy), and I could go on.

My first reaction to Palin's nomination is exactly what is described there as the Gen X reaction, and I'm 62. Thing is, she may be more and worse than that. The men were stupid enough to do a rerun of the babelicious cliche, but she has to have some real shark in her that they can't control. There's also the husband-in-the-background problem, which is peeping through the scandals everyone's trying not to talk about. What a vicious stew.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on October 01, 2008, 05:12:50 PM
The Republican Slime Machine goes to work on Gwen Ifill (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76645).
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on October 01, 2008, 05:21:36 PM
Interesting that this just came up today, yes? AP published a story about Ifill's book two weeks before the McCain campaign agreed to Ifill as moderator. The WaPo had an interview with her. The book is up online at Amazon and Random House.

So they didn't vet Palin, and now they're whining that they didn't vet Ifill?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on October 01, 2008, 06:45:01 PM
Quote from: fern hill
This is interesting. (http://www.feministing.com/archives/011346.html)

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       For many Gen X women like myself (and Palin is Gen X) the primary sexist experience is: "Those men gave the job to that clueless chick instead of me, because the boss thinks she's hot and/or will be a yes-man with no ideas of her own."

    If, for some Boomer women, Obama's win over Hillary represents the guy they lost the promotion to, Palin's selection plays the same role for Gen X women. We've seen it: first the incompetent yet babelicious woman is promoted over her head, then the boss orders the attention of the entire team/department/etc. to focus on ensuring that "we" shield her from "mistakes" (or worse, we get blamed for her mistakes). Palin reminds us of when we got screwed by this sort of bullshit. And it shows in voters' response to her.

The Boomer part sounds right to me. How about the Gen X?

I'm Gen X, and I have no idea if this is true; in fact I'd be surprised if it's all that common. I've been in the Boomer situation though - definitely. Not hired for a position because I had a kid, and because I might have another one at some point. The Gen Ys who came after me had less of a hard time in that sense, because by then the pickings were slim in competent men.

On the other hand, I've mostly worked in scientific and research-based fields, so I haven't come up against too much sexist, ageist or lookist discrimination.

I was thinking about this the other day though. If you had a doctor who couldn't give you straight or coherent answers to your questions about health or medical procedures, or who talked in vague, sneery, fake emotional or fake enthusiastic gibberish like Palin does, you'd drop him or her like a hot potato and never go back.

Why any significant numbers of people are falling for her, is what I'm wondering.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: transplant on October 01, 2008, 06:54:29 PM
The Omen In My Mail (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/30/AR2008093002315.html)

Kathleen Parker in WaPo -

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Allow me to introduce myself. I am a traitor and an idiot. Also, my mother should have aborted me and left me in a dumpster, but since she didn't, I should "off" myself.

Those are a few nuggets randomly selected from thousands of e-mails written in response to my column suggesting that Sarah Palin is out of her league and should step down.

Who says public discourse hasn't deteriorated? ...
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: k'in on October 02, 2008, 03:51:31 PM
Just in time for tonight's debate---the Sarah Palin Bingo Game (http://www.palinbingo.com/)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on October 02, 2008, 05:02:16 PM
I just heard on the radio that the 1984 Veep debate between Bush I and Ferraro still holds the record for viewership, but that no one will be surprised if tonight's beats it.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Berlynn on October 02, 2008, 06:30:02 PM
Crazy busy, sore head, but wanted to share these:

That Girl (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/artsandliving/style/features/2008/rhetoric/gallery.html)

Maybe not a Maverick (http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/101052/)

The G Spot 1 (http://thegspot.typepad.com/blog/2008/09/boo-fucking-hoo.html)

The G Spot 2 (http://thegspot.typepad.com/blog/2008/09/this-should-be.html)

The G Spot 3 (http://thegspot.typepad.com/blog/2008/09/the-search-for.html)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on October 02, 2008, 07:15:28 PM
Those are all great, Berlynn.  :applause:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Gigi on October 02, 2008, 09:52:54 PM
Anyone else watching this?

I wonder if Americans are smart enough to notice she isn't answering what is being asked...
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Gigi on October 02, 2008, 10:14:44 PM
AUGH!

What the hell is she answering?

Do her ears work?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on October 02, 2008, 10:49:39 PM
I watched at EW/FDL, and I'll come back to say something coherent tomorrow. I'm just exhausted right now.

She was awful, just scary awful at her worst, but it must have been exhausting for Biden to keep up with that. She never stopped flashing that beauty-queen smile, even as she told blatant lies -- that was one remarkable thing, that bizarre smile. There's something wrong with her.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: The Hegemo on October 02, 2008, 10:53:40 PM
I thought she was awful, and Biden wiped the floor with her, as did everyone I was watching with, but we were a group of union staffers, so probably not inclined to see it otherwise.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Gigi on October 02, 2008, 10:55:28 PM
Unfortunately, the threshold for her was so low, as someone after commented, she may have won by not outright losing.

Though, I still thought she lost. ;-)

Fucking hell, she rarely answered what was asked.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on October 02, 2008, 11:09:57 PM
She showed up. She talked into the camera, sometimes even in complete sentences and she made it to the end without using the coin-operated self-destruct.

But did not actually answer the questions Ifill asked, or say anything sensible or substantial. A few times I thought Ifill was going to have to interrupt and tell her to start again.

She made at least 2 pretty major slip-ups: she said there's a toxic mess on Main St. that's affecting Wall St. Unless I heard wrong, I'm pretty sure she was supposed to say the opposite. And near the end she said "McCain is a good man to leave" (I hope she meant to say "to lead"...)

Also: "the Castro brothers"? What that was about, I couldn't tell. Some kind of a global threat apparently - but maybe I wasn't paying attention.

As for Biden, I was very impressed. I didn't know much about him before, but he came off really well, and no gaffes that I could tell.

The part about Israel was annoying though, and I saw a comment at firedoglake that summed it up well:

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I'm a big supporter of Israel.
Well, I'm an even bigger supporter of Israel.
I'm a super duper supporter of Israel.
Well, I'm a super ruper duper supporter of Israel.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Berlynn on October 03, 2008, 12:50:00 AM
That Biden!  I'm beginning to unnerstan skdadl's and toe's *thing* about him.  Mmm...mmm...mmm!

But uh, well, anyhoo, I came over to post this bit which reminded me of Stevie and Johnny.

Bush in 2000, Palin in 2008 (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=6GMww19uz4Y)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: lagatta on October 03, 2008, 06:30:03 AM
I'm a big supporter of Israel, just so I don't have to associate with them damn Jooz who killed baby Jeebus.

Endtime! Rapture! Gawd'l sort'em out.

I didn't watch it of course. Haven't even plugged in the little TV my mum gave me (she had 2) after moving here - I only keep it to watch videos, and now they are DVDs and I haven't bought a DVD player yet, cheap as they are now. And refuse to watch any USian pols directly - I'll read about them, and preferably in French or some other language I read. Can't abide their politics, and it is depressing how similar to that "beauty show" Canadian and other western politics (think Sarkozy) has become.

From "Salt of the Earth":
Spare a thought for the stay-at-home voter
Empty eyes gaze at strange beauty shows
And a parade of the gray suited grafters
A choice of cancer or polio
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Debra on October 03, 2008, 06:35:27 AM
Jesus hell, they aren't just saying (they being republicans) that she did well in the debate, they are saying she proved she can be president!!

unbelievable!
Great column on Palin from the Socialist Worker (http://socialistworker.org/2008/10/02/sarah-palin-feminist)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on October 03, 2008, 08:03:46 AM
One of the most telling moments of the debate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVBE7L37bgw) -- I don't think you can fake that -- it really took him and everyone else by surprise, but we all know how that can happen to us when we're talking.

Note how Palin responds ... not at all. She launches bot-like into her own rote answer without an ounce of human reaction to what she just heard. She is a pod person.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on October 03, 2008, 12:01:23 PM
I watched part of it.  Sort of zipped back and forth from "ours" to "theirs".  Was equally underwhelmed, actually.

Those who support Palin will think she did just fine.  Just fine!  And those who think she did not do well at all probably thought that before they tuned in.

Okay, it's true, if you read a transcript of what she has said you quickly realize she said nothing of import and just as quickly realize what came out of her mouth was a jumbled mishmash, practically incoherent.

So?

she looked and sounded just fine saying it.

In every paragraph of mushmouth there is one phrase which her supporters will pick up on and wave around and Damn Right!  Guess she told HIM!

Many people firmly believe all politics is bullshit.  To them, Sarah Palin is speaking truth to power.

Yes, it's a sad commentary on the state of politics in North America today but some of what came out of mouths in our own debate wasn't a whole helluva lot better.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Antonia on October 03, 2008, 12:38:38 PM
Not answering the question is the oldest and easiest TV trick in the book.

Where she blew it is by not acknowledging it.

Example: That's a good question and I believe my fellow Americans really believe we need to do something about xxx. But here's what I think  . .. and then segue into whatever talking point you want.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on October 03, 2008, 01:04:17 PM
Remember Pat Paulson, the US TV comic who ran for Prezzy?  Remember his line
"there are only two ways we can move on this question.  One is neither forward nor back and the other one isn't."

I think sometimes those of us who post here fall into the trap of thinking everyone else is like we are; interested in politics, aware of at least much of what's going on, and willing to put some thought into things political.

We really aren't as "average" with that as we like to think we are.    And no, I'm not being elitist.  we ain't the elite!  There are a lot of truly savvy people who don't have a bit of interest in posting to B'n'R or any other computer place.  And there are a lot of very un-savvy people who will show up to vote because their church told them to:those are Sarah Palin's strongest supporters, I think.

And I think there are a lot of Rebugnants who wouldn't invite her to dinner.

The ones who wouldn't invite her home to share a meal will support her because they detest the Dems and consider them the thin edge of the commie wedge.  Or they are making huge money thanks to the bullshit in Warshington.  The ones who are going to support her because their pastor, or priest, or whatever, tells them to don't care if she segues or not, they hear that one line, that one phrase, that one word and they think Right On, and Gawd bless ya.

I'm not convinced she's as folksy or as redneck as she comes across, I think she's found a schtick and is using it.  Which is not to say I think she's in any way savvy or smart.  She gets applause when she comes across as the hick from Alaska.  Every time she talks about hunting for meat to put in the freezer to feed her family, the National Rifle Association nods like bobblehead dolls.

The woman is probably a millionaire.  She has hired help to look after those kid she parades around as if they came via virgin birth.  She probably has a cook who also shops for food at the supermarket.  she shoots moose because she likes to kill things.  She talks about shooting moose because .... there are lots of votes in the NRA!!

This is not a totally uneducated hillbilly.  She just wants to appear to be that way.  She must have studied the life and times of Huey Long!!

Hey, it worked for him.  Pray to Gawd it doesn't work for her.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on October 03, 2008, 01:31:18 PM
Y'know one odd thought I've had, and I'm sorry I had it, but there you go ...

*Fashion comment warning*

Someone younger up above (brebis noire?) said something negative about Palin's current wardrobe, not just what she was wearing last night but the stuff she's been wearing for the Couric series, etc.

skdadl is about to say the one positive thing she will ever say about Palin, and it probably isn't even about Palin; it's about the wardrobe mistress, whoever that might be ... but ... I love that stuff!

I really recognize that style. It's early sixties, close to sculpted, the clothes I have loved most in my life -- Givenchy, Courrèges, and some other guy whose name starts with C but I'm having a senior moment.

In other words, someone decided to dress Palin as though she was Audrey Hepburn. Remember the iconic photo from Breakfast at Tiffany's? Or remember especially the wardrobes from Charade and Two for the Road? That's what Palin is wearing, and even her hair fits into that image ... sorta kinda.

What doesn't fit is the rest of Sarah. I'm no Audrey, so I'm not faulting anyone else for not being Audrey, but for sure, Sarah is no Audrey. The clothes and the hair are just not doing her any favours, at least to me. As I say, I love those styles, but if I were wearing them, I'd try to adapt them to me, not attempt an imitation of an icon that I don't resemble in the least.

That high-necked red suit especially -- somebody was thinking Hepburn. Fantastic suit, but so not-Sarah.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Antonia on October 03, 2008, 01:46:43 PM
(http://images.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/10/03/palin_chart/flowchart.gif)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on October 03, 2008, 02:01:23 PM
:lol:

Oh, dear. That is reminding me of the sentence diagramming (parse trees) that Kitty Burns Florey, a grammarian, did at Slate (http://www.slate.com/id/2201158/?from=rss) of some of Palin's meanderings. Look at the Gibson-interview diagram especially -- it is a thing of ... well, wonderment.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on October 03, 2008, 03:46:01 PM
So, in the "do something cute" vein...would that include the conspiratorial wink she tosses off in nearly every interview?

Skdadl, my wee hen, I sense that we're having difficulties, thee and me, trying to treat Mz Palin as anything other than a freakin' joke.

In many instances , I would consider her a joke.  Not a good joke, mind you, but a joke.  It's just that it isn't beyond the realm of possibilities that this incoherent upwardly mobile scrabbler could have her finger on that big Doomsday button.

Don't you sometimes flash on that last scene in the movie...riding the bomb down toward earth, waving the dam cowboy hat while the music plays We'll Meet Again....

Madman McCain and Sarah Palin could well make us look back wistfully at Dubya.

And ain't THAT a scarey thought.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: arborman on October 03, 2008, 03:49:50 PM
Quote from: anne cameron

Madman McCain and Sarah Palin could well make us look back wistfully at Dubya.

And ain't THAT a scarey thought.

True enough.    At least I get the sense that somebody in Cheney's lair has made sure Bush isn't actually allowed anywhere near the real doomsday button.  He probably gets a pretend one to play with, but the real one is probably kept safe (from him).
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on October 03, 2008, 03:54:56 PM
Oh, anne, I promise you: until both McCain and Palin are defeated, I am taking them both, jointly and severally, as they say, entirely seriously. Capitalism is bad enough, but the End Times are definitely beyond what I want to put up with.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on October 03, 2008, 07:17:17 PM
In the past fifteen years I've made the acquaintance of two women who have that same brave but blundering brashness exhibited by Mz Palin.  The first had four kids, and was very involved with her church (don't know which one, but protestant).  She and her husband bought a farm.  Neither had ever done any farming.  In no time flat she was busy with a very sharp knife, castrating baby pigs.  I asked her if she'd talked to the vet or to the guy who usually did such jobs or...no, she phoned a friend and asked what had to be done and the friend had watched the guy who usually did the job and...so help me Gawd!

The other is much younger, has one kid in grade two, a three year old and a not yet walking at home, and is an instant expert on anything you'd care to name.

Both of them have no more than about grade ten.  And I think that under that brash Wonder Woman veneer both of them are scared stiff.

I wouldn't be surprised if, after she got home and took off her clothes and dared relax her face, Sarah Palin dropped into a big chair and shook from head to toe.  

I can't stand her politics, I think she's being used by nasty people, I am afraid of what she represents, I know that she's capable of absolutely anything at all if she thinks Gawd wants it that way and yet, I still feel sorry for her.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on October 03, 2008, 07:34:04 PM
You know me. You can talk me into feeling sorry for almost anyone.

But Palin is a case. She has already claimed a fair number of victims in Alaska, and some of that is going to come out (please God, before the election) -- a judge in Alaska just ruled in favour of the Troopergate investigation [yesterday or today? I'm losing touch ...], affirming the doctrine of separation of powers, and gosh but it's nice to see someone doing that. Palin and her very strange husband have played games with civil servants and private contractors in order to knock other people out, and they are gonna be caught, sooner or later.

Did you see her again last night holding that baby, that almost comatose baby, as though it were a pigskin, patting it on the back compulsively although it clearly was beyond needing that, and then passing it over to another family member?

I suspect that sociopath is an understatement in Sarah's case.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on October 03, 2008, 08:00:50 PM
Do you get the feeling that very strange husband is the one who brings the robot from the closet, turns the key, aims her in the direction he wants her to take, then sends her out to ....what, conquer the known world??
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on October 03, 2008, 08:03:57 PM
Yes. I do. I think the husband is an evil if unknown quantity.

And some of the Merkin people are thinking of putting them in teh White House. Have you ever seen a stranger thing in your life?
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on October 03, 2008, 09:45:37 PM
When I saw her get off the plane with the baby over her shoulder, I swore to myself that baby was fake, exactly the kind they use in the high school parenting class. At the bottom of the plane she gave it a heave-ho back over her shoulder, then I SAW ITS FACE AND KNEW IT WAS REAL! I just gasped and wondered. I know babies are very sturdy tough wee creatures, but still the scene was fucking scary. I know nuthin about this woman and her baby, but something tells me that baby had no CLUE it was being held by its mother, none.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on October 04, 2008, 07:48:22 AM
Heh, skdadl. I'm not that impressed with her wardrobe, though of course her stylist has done a good job, and Palin's genetic slimness and penchant for running is a big help. She's shiny, but she's no Hepburn.

I just don't see too much difference between what she wears and the requisite uniform for American women in politics. Maybe there are a few differences, like the fact that her clothes are slightly more tailored than many women, to de-emphasize any encroaching dumpiness. Also, her stylist consistently chooses the bright and feminine colours, and the crisp shininess.

About shininess and following the rules, I thought this was interesting:
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But for decades, the voting-age population has been predominantly female: women vote at a greater rate and usually a little differently from men. Despite all the talk of disaffected Hillary supporters crossing over to the GOP after Obama's nomination, serious pollsters found no such thing. Some pundits say Palin did fine last night, but thanks to CNN, we were able to test in real time exactly how the Palin performance played with women voters. CNN provided a little chart that shows how the debaters were faring with a focus group of independent voters from the swing state of Ohio. On the chart, the men's reactions show up green and women in orange. Guess what? Palin really tanked among those women. There were times when the line showing the women's disapproval of her answers sank so low it threatened to leap off the screen and start crawling down the wall behind the TV. I'm imagining those Ohio independents as having a vivid picture of a fully made-up, dimpled, winking woman trying to work the crowd from her tattered copy of The Rules.

From the Nation (http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081020/hirshman)

So what this tells me is that men might be momentarily distracted by the shininess, but most women aren't fooled - at least not until they start thinking they'd like to be Sarah themselves....

The fact is, she's completely incompetent, doesn't have any self-awareness about it and follows the worst kind of religion to reinforce all the false beliefs she holds about her country, her mission, her party and her life.

I wish her kids well, but I can only wish her the most ignominous failure: that she returns to Alaska, soundly defeated, and having used up all of her Alaskan political capital, that she is soundly defeated there in a recall and has to return to Wasilla and buy her clothes at Wal-Mart for the rest of her life while the oil in Alaska runs out.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on October 04, 2008, 08:07:32 AM
:lol:

Nobody knows women like other women, eh?  :mrgreen:

I think she probably does have a constituency among women who aren't actually of her class and background, the Republican wives she's trying to look like right now who are actually more country club than she's been in the past. They know she isn't quite one of them, but they've also been instructed by their husbands about how people get in to the club, and they accept right away that there are reasons this one is in.

If there's anyone I feel truly sorry for it's Cindy McCain, although she's been living a nightmare for so long now that she probably has become capable of a little evil herself.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on October 04, 2008, 11:29:16 AM
I half expect Cindy McCain to deliberately do or say something which will sink Madman's chances.  Like, maybe, leak to an unfriendly press person the truth about spousal abuse, his insanity when he loses his temper, and his philandering.

Or maybe she'll just announce she is divorcing him.  Finally.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: matttbastard on October 04, 2008, 12:18:43 PM
Naomi Wolf on how class conflict among white women in the US partly explain Sarah Palin's rapid ascendancy (and subsequent decline). (http://www.smh.com.au/news/us-election/palins-appeal-to-female-voters/2008/10/03/1223013786182.html?page=fullpage)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on October 04, 2008, 01:17:58 PM
I'm not always fondly on-side with Naomi Wolf but , damn, this is a good article!!

The women's movement has several times been taken down side-paths , led by priviledged, highly educated, even academic women into areas which do not resonate with the majority of working women.  We've tried time and again to get ourselves a firm handle on the divisions class can cause and we have made progress, but , obviously, not enough.

It would be ... something... maybe "ironic" if Sarah Palin became the push we need to really come to grips with class divisions.

Right now, from one coast to the other, women are losing jobs which paid half-decent wages.  Too many of them will wind up having to take lesser paying jobs as the economy slides toward the septic tank.  Some will wind up going from middle class to working class or even lower on the class ladder we're told by the big boys doesn't exist (we know it does!), and maybe, through adversity, we'll manage to really examine how capitalism has kept us divided, and thus conquered.

I know women who work long miserable hours standing on a cold, wet cement floor, shucking oysters.  When their hands become so cold they are numb the women move to a bucket of warm, almost hot, water and soak their hands until the feeling comes back and they can again shuck ice-chilled oysters.  It's piece work, the more you shuck the more you get paid and your future is guaranteed: varicose veins and carpal tunnel.  When oysters aren't in season these women sort and pack prawns or else work on the line in a fish plant.

And we haven't recognized these women, nor been able to make ourselves look at just how frikken awful the job conditions are.  Most of them, the ones I know anyway, wouldn't vote for Sarah Palin because they don't agree with her on war or on religion, but they like the idea she's up there, and they know she's only pretending to be "folksy" but still, it's a good act, and a welcome one.

We've talked and written about what happened to women after the end of WW2, when the men came home and the women's jobs were gone, they were "encouraged" and in many cases forced back into the kitchen.  Had to have those jobs for the men!!

Well, that's going to happen again.  Women who were making decent money in sawmills know they have seen the last of that level of wage.  Should a sawmill ever re-open on this coast the men will get the few jobs.  And women who were making decent money are going to wind up on the oyster shucking line, or working on fish farms or... and there goes any hope of ever reaching "the middle class".

It's only the haves and have-nots.  And they only pretended there was ever anything in between.

Time to get out those old tee shirts!  Time for the "sisterhood is powerful" bumper stickers again.  We'd best pack a lunch and fill a thermos with coffee, we're heading back to the barricades again.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: lagatta on October 04, 2008, 01:39:37 PM
Yes, Wolf actually represented much of the worst of bourgeois feminism (although not the arcane academic variety). If I recall, "The Beauty Myth" was pretty much silent on questions of class, or race. And she was a frigging Clintonite.

But this little piece is quite refreshing.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on October 04, 2008, 02:30:43 PM
I have to admit something here, and admit it publicly.  Which is never easy.  Private admissions are more comfortable.

I didn't finish "The Beauty Myth".  I got to maybe page 25 and dropped it on the floor.  I didn't make any attempt to analyze my reaction to it (and it was a reaction, I know, not a response!), all I could think was "presumptuous little twerp" and "sour grapes" and a touch of "who the hell do you think you are , anyway?"

It was much the same as the reaction I had to "Lies, Secrets, and Silences", which I still think was unadulterated shit.  Touchy-feely unadulterated shit.

I have a friend, a good friend, born in Holland at the very end of the war, brought here as an infant, her dad got a job in a mill, but they really did live hand-to-mouth for years, they had nothing but a couple of changes of clothes when they arrived.  She quit school in about grade nine or ten and went to work in a sawmill.  She was the right age but not the right "class" to go fullscale hippy, but she spent some time on the edges of it.  Met a guy, they had two kids, both of them working at "whatever".  She went to work in an oyster plant and even won a couple of "best shucker on the coast" competitons.  Between them they lived a good life.  Good enough they dared dream and he quit his job at the mill and they invested every cent they had in a prawn boat.

Well.

Then her wrists started to act up.  Then her fingers would swell.  At first all she had to do was ice them when she got home and the swelling would be gone by morning but over time...until she couldn't shuck any more.  And they had to sell the prawn boat, it's brutal work and they were twenty years late getting together the money to buy it, he just couldn't do it any more, his back rebelled.

So there they are.  Coming on to retirement age.  Each of them working at basic wage, both of them crocked up by the work they did.  And they aren't alone!  This Island and this coast is covered with people just like them.  Always paid their taxes in full and on time, no criminal convictions or hidden skeletons, well liked, intelligent, she does photography and sells greeting cards with her photo's on the front, it's a sideline, a hobby, and she's good but doesn't think of herself as an artist.  And yet she really is!

And then some young twit writes a book and becomes some sort of heroine for a day and it is to make anybody choke on bile!!

I am sure my friend, on listening to Sarah Palin, would howl with laughter.  Her reasons might be very different than mine, but we'd meet and agree that nobody with a million dollars worth of assets is "middle class" and sure as hell not working class and it's an act, and she does it well.  wink, wink, nudge, nudge.  And I know my dear friend wouldn't have made it to page 25 in that self satisfied little oh-aren't-I-the-clever-one piece of shit.

And I think there's something the Palins and Kleins of the world share in common...and it's a lack of real respect and even love for the people they're trying to appeal to, trying to lecture to, trying to USE for their own ends.

Of course, we know about me, eh?
"Too political", they tell me.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on October 04, 2008, 03:43:24 PM
You made that interesting shift between the Naomis, anne -- from Wolf to Klein. It happens all the time, and I sort of see why.

I see a place for writers like them. They popularize information that is pretty difficult for most people to get, even though they didn't do the original work and they do end up sailing on their brands, which is kind of bothersome.

All the same, I've seen them both in action, and they are uncompromising in person on principles that I think are important. My opinion of Wolf went soaring the night I watched her stop Allan Gregg in his tracks on TVO. He launched into some question about how she was different from most feminists because, she had to admit, she was so attractive ... And she just blew up. "How dare you undermine me that way?" she said. And she didn't quit. She just hammered at him until he crawled into a hole. I was rill proud of her for doing that.

Yes, most of us not only don't get the glory but we don't even get an even shake. That's true.

Educate. Culture. There are no alternatives. Elections certainly aren't.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: k'in on October 04, 2008, 05:00:34 PM
When in electoral peril, go for the Hail Sarah (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93JSBFO0&show_article=1) play---call your opponent a terrorist!

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   ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP) - Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin on Saturday accused Democrat Barack Obama of "palling around with terrorists" because of his association with a former 1960s radical, stepping up the campaign's effort to portray Obama as unacceptable to American voters.

Palin's reference was to Bill Ayers, one of the founders of the group the Weather Underground. Its members took credit for bombings, including nonfatal explosions at the Pentagon and U.S. Capitol, during the tumultuous Vietnam War era four decades ago. Obama, who was a child when the group was active, served on a charity board with Ayers several years ago and has denounced his radical views and activities.

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Palin, Alaska's governor, said that donors on a greeting line had encouraged her and McCain to get tougher on Obama. She said an aide then advised her, "Sarah, the gloves are off, the heels are on, go get to them."

Speaking of heels---how short is Pallin or how tall is Joe Biden?  When they did the awkward "nice-to-meet-you" handshake at the start of the debate, heels be damned, Biden towered over Palin.  It really was a strange moment---like they were meeting wayward rellies for the first time during the reception line thingy characteristic of traditional weddings.  

The photo at the link has an odd caption---it points out that Sarah Palin, running for VP, is the one in the middle---not the d00d or the child.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on October 04, 2008, 05:09:48 PM
Damn, did I do that?  Again?!  Kick to butt several times.  Gotta stop doing that.

Thanks, Skdadl... I didn't see the face-off you describe, but I very much would have liked to have seen it.

And I MUST be more careful about which Naomi!!  Sorry about that. :oops:

I thought the debate lacked one really important aspect...what , is everyone afraid to just go chapter and verse on the unconsciounable cuts Harper has made?  Afraid to come out really strong in case they get, what, called "shrill" or something.

You'd have loved..we'd all have loved...the conversation in the building supply store a half hour or so ago.  Guy comes in, French speaking originally but fully at home in English after some twenty years in the mill.  He grins at me and says "Eh, bien...et Duceppe?" and we both laugh.  One guy hears the name Duceppe and fires the bird and we both say Number One, see, even he says number one...and then we launch into our version of Franglish, discussing the debate.  Someone else chimes in, then someone else, and at the end it was decided if Layton had half the "guts" of May he'd be a shoo-in.

Nuanced or not, EM impressed people.  In this riding it's either Cons with their blue signs or NDP with the orange ones.  I've got an NDP sign in my front yard, right now we seem to be outnumbering the blue signs but if this ferocious storm doesn't stop soon there won't be a sign left standing!

While we were having our political discussion in the hardware store three different people came in to buy tarps...it takes a storm or two for you to find the new leaks.  Summer heat does something to the roofing tar and...

Final result of the discussion?  Put them all in a big bag with some large rocks and take them out to the rift, then dump them over the side into 2000+ meters of water.

People do not feel represented by ANY of them.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on October 04, 2008, 05:18:27 PM
Quote from: skdadl
:lol:

Nobody knows women like other women, eh?  :mrgreen:

I think she probably does have a constituency among women who aren't actually of her class and background, the Republican wives she's trying to look like right now who are actually more country club than she's been in the past. They know she isn't quite one of them, but they've also been instructed by their husbands about how people get in to the club, and they accept right away that there are reasons this one is in.

If there's anyone I feel truly sorry for it's Cindy McCain, although she's been living a nightmare for so long now that she probably has become capable of a little evil herself.

Oh indeedy, well said skdadl. I've also wondered if Cindy might 'do' something and yes I am secretly wishing she would. Anything at all would be good. Like maybe push Sara off the stage in front of the whole world! A short stage mind you. But Cindy is clean and sober now, I don't think she will. Cindy had to replace Palin back in Sept sometime, in hostessing a $1,000 plate dinner in Seattle. Palin said scheduling conflict - but I think she's allergic to what she calls 'snobs'.

 eta - BTW, there are some astonishing anti-feminist menz writing about how femnazis hate Palin, because SHE accomplished what THEY couldn't and so continue to see themselves as victims, ugh.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on October 04, 2008, 05:41:59 PM
k'in, great minds. I have been looking for just that information. I don't know how tall either Joe or Sarah is, and that is a deficiency in my portfolio. I was surprised too when they first shook hands -- he's taller than I thought, or she's shorter, and yet neither of them had struck me that way before. Mind you, he is also quite a bit taller than his wife, who is a very elegant woman, so maybe he's just plain tall. Maybe JJ knows. I shall ask her.

I can tell you to the inch how tall some Merkin men are -- James Comey, eg: 6' 8". But I don't have Biden pinned down yet.

brebis noire mentioned above Palin's having the slimness gene. I'm not so sure. To me, her body looks kind of like mine when I was that age (and I was! I was! believe it or not!); she's kind of the same body type as me, so I'm guessing that she's about 5' 6" right now, entirely average, big bones (you can see that in her face), can keep her weight down if she's careful, but will be prone to shrinking and spreading after menopause. She's not a Nancy Reagan, iow. Some people get very thin as they age, and the rest of us ... don't.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on October 04, 2008, 05:50:55 PM
Really? You think she is that tall? Gosh remarkable how we human beans evaluate each other by height. I know I'm challenged so I always notice that. But if McCain is 5'7", that is known, and she looks to be a few inches shorter even in her heels, than I'd guess 5'3" to 4" or so. I've read that Biden is 6' and Obama is 6' 1". Tall tales I know.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on October 04, 2008, 05:56:11 PM
Oh, ok. That is all believable, although I would have put both Biden and Obama a bit higher.

But so, ok. Palin is shorter than I thought. Believe me, I am not tall. I am exceptionally average. I am so average that they don't bother to average me into averages because I never make a difference.   :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on October 04, 2008, 05:59:25 PM
Gosh we sure age ourselves with using non-metric huh?  :D
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on October 04, 2008, 06:01:23 PM
skdadl cannot do metrics. *rrrrr*   :evil:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on October 04, 2008, 06:04:33 PM
Me neithers, Kid just falls all over herself laughing when I expect immediate translation!
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: lagatta on October 04, 2008, 06:10:39 PM
It's funny how little metric has caught on for height (here). I'm "bilingual" with it, but that is more from living in Europe. I'm totally unfamiliar with the old measurements for weather, home heating, or even distances between towns, but height is more spontaneously in the "English" measurements.

Remember, it is a bit different here as we've always had a lot of magazines and cookbooks with recipes from France.

skdadl needs a nice séjour in France.  :cool: Though these days, I'd tend to favour Spain over France or Italy, though my Spanish is not wonderful. The thought of Sarko or Berlusconi!  :shock:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on October 04, 2008, 07:40:23 PM
Quote from: skdadl
brebis noire mentioned above Palin's having the slimness gene. I'm not so sure. .

I thought I was sure, but now I don't remember how she looked beside Katie Couric. (And I've always thought Couric is completely adorable, America's sweetheart; yet even she came off like she was Sartre or something when paired with Palin. She's also somehow my new feminist hero...) I don't want to go back and check the vids, but was she taller or shorter than Couric?
The camera really tends to put on the pounds, so I think she's either very slim or else very carefully tailored.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on October 04, 2008, 07:42:05 PM
Frank Rich on Palin's ambition (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/opinion/05rich.html?_r=1&oref=slogin).
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on October 04, 2008, 07:58:46 PM
Quote from: brebis noire
Quote from: skdadl
brebis noire mentioned above Palin's having the slimness gene. I'm not so sure. .

I thought I was sure, but now I don't remember how she looked beside Katie Couric. (And I've always thought Couric is completely adorable, America's sweetheart; yet even she came off like she was Sartre or something when paired with Palin. She's also somehow my new feminist hero...) I don't want to go back and check the vids, but was she taller or shorter than Couric?
The camera really tends to put on the pounds, so I think she's either very slim or else very carefully tailored.

To me, Couric looks teensy-weensy (but Toe will be along any moment to correct me  ;)   ). She is very fine-boned and slim; she and Palin may be the same height (or close), but Couric has very sharp tiny features, whereas Palin's face is broad and bold. I actually find Couric kind of pinched, but maybe she's just not my type.   ;)

A lot of this is bones. Some of us have fine bones and others of us have big bones. I, eg, have big bones. Palin has big bones. Katie Couric has some of the smallest bones I've ever seen.  :twisted:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on October 04, 2008, 08:12:22 PM
She's a wee powerful, little junkie imp ain't she? She makes 15M a year, is dating a 33 year old (she is 51) and had a colonoscopy on goddam television! I'd say she's my hero.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on October 04, 2008, 08:14:27 PM
Um, gee, well ... she sure ain't mine, Toe.

ETA: Toe, there are serious journalists and reporters who don't have jobs any more because of infotainment gimmicks like Katie. And that's really all she is -- a gimmick.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on October 04, 2008, 08:24:38 PM
That is certainly one way of looking at it.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on October 04, 2008, 08:55:06 PM
Man, (or woman) this is so stereotypical. 'Slimness gene', 'big bones'. :roll:
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on October 04, 2008, 09:35:38 PM
Stereotypical? I don't understand.

It could be argued that it's superficial, but I'd beg to disagree.
When you've got a slim, young-looking-for-her-age woman up on a podium in extremely expensive, well-tailored suits saying that she's joe six pack's soccer mom, it's beyond insulting. I'm not even sure what the GOP is aiming for anymore - mocking? ignoring? belittling? the real problems of "working-class" Americans - the ones who weigh several pounds too many and are getting old too early because they are overfed but malnourished; overworked and overstressed and have no preventive health care. The ones who can't afford her clothes and who can't pay for their one home or decent food or a decent education for their kids. And she's pretending she's them?  :evil:

I saw those people on TV, on CBS and another network after the debate, and it was pretty obvious to me that she's not one of them, and they know it.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on October 04, 2008, 09:38:02 PM
I meant the discussion here. Shit, I haven't heard 'big bones' for decades.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: lagatta on October 05, 2008, 07:30:36 AM
Big bones certainly exist - the problem was that it was used as a euphemism for "fat", when it means no such thing. If you study figure drawing and painting, gettng the bone structure right is fundamental to how the muscles, fat and skin are draped on the human (or other vertebrate) figure.

But I do think Palin's physical appearance has a lot to do with her appeal, and that is the sexist (and classist) aspect of it, as most working-class women in the US don't have the opportunity to train as much as she does, and sadly, have limited access to nutritious food, (including game, in her much-touted case).
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on October 05, 2008, 07:37:17 AM
Another one of those eruptions that I never understand.

Sarah Palin is being sold as a signifier, not for the content of anything she says. So some of us have been pecking away at deconstructing the signifier. I'm not sure whether you're saying that that is catty, fyrnova, but rilly, it's all that we were given, and that in itself is culturally and politically significant, as brebis noire has written.

And I don't get what you think is wrong with the "slimness gene" or "big bones." Those may not be the scientific terms, but they are facts of nature. In many contexts, it may not be polite to raise them, but when you're trying to decode that first handshake, eg, between Palin and Biden, or the conversation between Palin and Couric, they factor in, since Sarah doesn't bring a lot else to the table, and that was done on purpose.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on October 05, 2008, 09:36:34 AM
Well, in that teh Base is paying absolutely no attention to the 'content' (go read the Kool-Aid drinkers at FD on the topic), yes, she is a signifier. And it may be interesting to dissect that (for them's as knows enough about clothes and shoes and whatnot). To me she's a slickly packaged product containing some terrifying beliefs, ambitions, ignorances, etc. etc, foisted on the Merkin people by utterly depraved operators.

To dwell on her appearance, especially using the tone here, seems to me just, well, silly, and exactly what Karl Rove expects.

But, carry on. I'm done.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on October 05, 2008, 10:34:03 AM
As Frank Rich says, (to duh Base) she looks and sounds like a winner (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/opinion/05rich.html?_r=1&em&oref=slogin)


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In the last of her Couric interview installments on Thursday, Palin was asked which vice president had most impressed her, and after paying tribute to Geraldine Ferraro, she chose “George Bush Sr.” Her criterion: she most admires vice presidents “who have gone on to the presidency.” Hours later, at the debate, she offered a discordant contrast to Biden when asked by Gwen Ifill how they would each govern “if the worst happened” and the president died in office. After Biden spoke of somber continuity, Palin was weirdly flip and chipper, eager to say that as a “maverick” she’d go her own way.

But the debate’s most telling passage arrived when Biden welled up in recounting his days as a single father after his first wife and one of his children were killed in a car crash. Palin’s perky response — she immediately started selling McCain as a “consummate maverick” again — was as emotionally disconnected as Michael Dukakis’s notoriously cerebral answer to the hypothetical 1988 debate question about his wife being “raped and murdered.” If, as some feel, Obama is cool, Palin is ice cold. She didn’t even acknowledge Biden’s devastating personal history.

After the debate, Republicans who had been bailing on Palin rushed back to the fold. They know her relentless ambition is the only hope for saving a ticket headed by a warrior who is out of juice and out of ideas. So what if she is preposterously unprepared to run the country in the midst of its greatest economic crisis in 70 years? She looks and sounds like a winner.

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So how can a desperate G.O.P. save itself? As McCain continues to fade into incoherence and irrelevance, the last hope is that he’ll come up with some new game-changing stunt to match his initial pick of Palin or his ill-fated campaign “suspension.” Until Thursday night, more than a few Republicans were fantasizing that his final Hail Mary pass would be to ditch Palin so she can “spend more time” with her ever-growing family. But the debate reminded Republicans once again that it’s Palin, not McCain, who is their last hope for victory.

You have to wonder how long it will be before they plead with him to think of his health, get out of the way and pull the ultimate stunt of flipping the ticket. Palin, we can be certain, wouldn’t even blink.


Much of the time I find Rich to be a bit plodding, long and windy, hard to get through. But when it comes to crises, he's always right on target, with the facts and clear analysis. Before I knew anything about anybody in the media immediately post 9/11, he was the one who stood out for me.

She was ice-cold to Biden - though it was masked in such a fake-cheery way. I'd love to know what Biden really thinks of her. When he so briefly mentioned what had happened to his family, I had an emotional moment myself, and I was completely neutral toward Biden before the debate. But when Palin started talking again, it was like she hadn't even heard what he'd said. It was so jarring. It took me awhile to come back to it, and now I realise that she is either so much in her Bush-like bubble that nothing else made it in, or that she might be the meanest, most overtly ambitious (and deluded) woman Merika has produced in an awful long time.

Mother of 5 - my ass. She's the kind of mother who's done with the kids once she's pushed em out. I've known very few mothers like this, but one I do know who keeps coming back to my mind (though I've tried to push it out several times) was a woman who followed the exact same Basic Life Principles that Palin tried to shove through onto Wasilla. (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/18/palin_iacc/)  She (to be clear, not Palin, but the woman I knew) was so rigid with her third baby in terms of feeding schedules that she literally almost killed it by dehydration and malnutrition. She just wasn't into attentive, instinctual maternal care and observation, it was all about making sure the kid figured out the right way to do things (by the age of 6 weeks) and that she stuck to schedule. Terrifying.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on October 05, 2008, 10:58:55 AM
Palin's response in that moment after Biden choked up was such a slap in the face. I've got a YouTube saved up that catches it perfectly, with just the first few words of Palin's babbling tacked on after Biden speaks.

One other detail I noticed at the time that Keith Olbermann has mentioned -- the insulting use of "Say it ain't so, Joe," (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoeless_Joe_Jackson) which had indeed been set up at the very beginning with that handshake and her "Can I call you Joe?" As Olbermann and Brian Williams agreed on KO's show, it's hard to believe that Palin knows where "Say it ain't so, Joe" comes from -- shame that someone couldn't have caught her right then and asked her, because I'll bet she didn't know the allusion.

Fair enough if anyone else doesn't know the reference, but Palin used it. Somebody programmed her to greet him that way at the start and then to drop the line in later. That's the way the clockwork is ticking away.

Biden? He's probably glad that he never has to meet her again in his life, which pretty much I think he won't have to do. He's a very warm and fairly physical guy normally, and he has a fairly flirty sense of humour, which you absolutely did not see during that debate. You see it when he talks to Couric, but not when he meets Palin (I wondered whether they would hug -- they didn't, and he hugs everyone). During the debate I thought he became genuinely exasperated about midpoint, as I haven't seen him much before -- I kept thinking, "Smile, Joe -- remember that smile?" It was horribly hard work having to swat back so many lies from Palin and not become openly angry, and I thought that showed.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: lagatta on October 05, 2008, 11:23:00 AM
I'd never heard that reference (know nothing about baseball) - (impressed by skdadl's baseball culture).  I was thinking of the Murray Head song, which is more explicitly about politics and a loss of faith in leaders.

Say it ain't so, Joe please, say it ain't so
That's not what I wanna hear Joe
Ain't I got a right to know
Say it ain't so, Joe please, say it ain't so
I'm sure they telling us lies Joe,
Please tell us it ain't so.

They told us our hero has played his trump card
He doesn't know how to go on.
We're clinging to his charm and determined smile,
But the good old days have gone.

The image and the empire may be failing apart
The money has gotten scarce
One man's word held the country together,
But the truth is getting fierce

Say it ain't so, Joe please, say it ain't so
We pinned our hope on you Joe
And they're ruining our show

I think the moderator should have stepped in about the first-name thing. It is very rude in public or business settings to assume that you can call someone - in particular an adversary - by his or her first name.

But semiotics of dress and presentation of self are VERY important, precisely because they are superficial. I'm looking at the attractive pair of neofascists who scored gains in the Austrian elections - Haider and a younger and even better-looking xenophobic pig: 'Angry' voters aid Austrian right (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7641479.stm).
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on October 05, 2008, 11:41:48 AM
Well, if people didn't know the baseball history, Canadians learned that particular story from William Kinsella's novel/story Shoeless Joe, which was sort of the source of the movie Field of Dreams (which I haven't seen).

But yes, to baseball wonks, it's one of the classic lines. It expresses such heart-breakingly deep disappointment at a hero who has betrayed your faith -- you have to imagine a kid saying that to the hero he'd looked up to. I didn't know the song, but I'm sure the writer meant the allusion. Sarah? I doubt it. Sarah's writers? Vile bastards.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Debra on October 05, 2008, 11:54:12 AM
and interestingly Joe's story plays out like a scene straight out of a Rovian inspired novel

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In recent years, evidence has come to light that casts doubt on Jackson's role in the fix. For instance, Jackson initially refused to take a payment of $5,000, only to have Lefty Williams toss it on the floor of his hotel room. Jackson then tried to tell White Sox owner Charles Comiskey about the fix, but Comiskey refused to meet with him. Also, before Jackson's grand jury testimony, team attorney Alfred Austrian coached Jackson's testimony in a manner that would be considered highly unethical even by the standards of the time, and would probably be considered criminal by today's standards. For instance, Austrian got Jackson to admit a role in the fix by pouring a large amount of whiskey down Jackson's throat. He also got the nearly illiterate Jackson to sign a waiver of immunity. Years later, the other seven players implicated in the scandal confirmed that Jackson was never at any of the meetings. Williams, for example, said that they only mentioned Jackson's name to give their plot more credibility.[11]
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on October 05, 2008, 12:00:37 PM
Well said, Debra.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on October 05, 2008, 12:45:15 PM
Of course she didn't know that reference. She didn't even know what an Achilles heel is, maybe she thinks it's a strength.

Also, going back to her looks: in her answer to the question on gay rights, she made the Church Lady face. I swear she aged 15 years when she said she's "tolerant". Once her face freezes into that expression, she won't be so adorable anymore - it's already tending that way. So it's now or never for Palin - I don't think she'll make it to 2012.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on October 05, 2008, 01:22:03 PM
Well, with regard to the "eruptions I never understand"; I understand it.  For one thing it wasn't an eruption, and for another there's a trap in falling for the appearance thing.  I think we were all ticked off by the Repugnants' mocking of Hillary's pant suits...but somehow when it has to do with Palin it's okay to discuss her wardrobe.  We've pretty much all sort of agreed we're sick of female politicians first being described by their clothes while nobody describes a male politicians outfits.  You don't read "the prime minister was resplendent in gray slacks, a white shirt, and a blue sweater vest" but we're just all too used to reading shite like that before we get to hear what a female politician said.  And yet it's okay if it's Palin?

I wasn't "touched" when Joe Biden choked up.  If it was "manipulative" when Hillary did it, it's manipulative when he does it.  Okay, the guy is tired, he's stressed, he's overworked, and that always makes anybody less in control of their emotions but it was, after all, years ago.  But what better, or more brief, way to remind us all than to choke up, swallow, and then bravely go on?  After all those years in Warshington you can't convince me Biden isn't every bit as much a politician as any of them, and just as quick to connive and manipulate.

And I don't get the emphasis on wondering how tall each or the other is.  That's just more of the looks-ist thing.  When the finger presses the red button it isn't going to matter if it's a long finger or a short one.  It's the button is important, the pressing of it the death knell.

Gawd knows there's enough of Palin's past dictatorship and enough of her gawd-view to give us all the chills, and there's enough evidence of her unsuitability both mentally, emotionally and educationally to keep us awake and sweating at night.  The rest of it, how tall she is, how much she weighs, does she or doesn't she diet , work out, or ... just doesn't really matter.

Maybe she does have a slim gene.  Maybe she's five foot four.  She's dangerous, and getting too involved in whether or not her clothes reflect an AUdrey Hepburn influence is diminishing the visibility of just how dangerous she is.

Not necessarily dangerous herself.  She's not going to walk into Mac's milk with a machine gun and mow down the people buying a loaf of bread at ten at night, and she isn't going to go into Wendy's with an automatic rifle.  But dangerous in that the cabal which has controlled Amerikkka and spread disaster across the world has chosen this lowbrow BITCH to be the figurehead for their mindset.  I hesitate to use the word "facist" because of historic connotations and yet that is what I think this woman is, and that is why I use the word bitch as in Isle Koch the bitch of Buchenwald.  Because Palin could all too easily be exactly that.

Regardless of her height or wardrobe.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Debra on October 05, 2008, 01:25:02 PM
I haven't read every single post here so apologize if this has already been posted

Sarah Wildman from the Guardian

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She pretends to be a representative of the American everywoman (whoever that really is, I'd love to know – though I guess it has something to do with watching a child play club team sports). Yet outside of talk of theoretical football match side conversations, she had nary an argument about what these women actually need or want – or what women's rights might be in the US circa 2008.

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What exactly did Palin mean by "our respect for women's rights"? It was a curious moment, especially with the brouhaha over distasteful charges for rape kits while she was mayor of Wasilla. Outside of her controversially militant stance on abortion, it's unclear what Palin brings to women specifically. Is it healthcare reform? No. Education reform? Not that either. Is it equal pay for equal work – something relatively uncontroversial? She says she supports it, but McCain recently failed to support the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Restoration Act.

Just being a woman doesn't make Palin the better champion, and I suspect this is why she didn't elaborate further. Biden, on the other hand, briefly mentioned authoring the Violence Against Women Act. Over the course of his career, Biden's done a whole lot more for women than Palin ever would care to. That's partly because what Palin's folksiness exposes is not so much her "real" American self, as her inability to see beyond her own experience.

LINK (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2008/oct/04/sarah.palin.women.election)
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on October 05, 2008, 01:35:46 PM
Well, I certainly talk about the men's wardrobes. Teh Kitteh and JJ and I have something of a reputation for doing that, eckshully.

And occasionally, I get told to shut up about it, which is what I mean by eruption. I never tell anyone else to shut up, so it kind of pains me when someone else does it to me.

I don't know whether you actually saw the choke, anne -- I haven't read anyone who saw it who thinks it was faked -- it's so brief, although it is also about the kid who is now in Iraq, a detail you might not have known -- I don't see how you fake that.

Personally, I think it's kind of nice to see the occasional politician who actually does seem to love his wife. If I were making a list of Merkin ones who do, Dennis Kucinich would surely be there; Pat Leahy would be there; and Joe Biden for sure would be there. You can't tell about so many, but those guys, you can tell.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on October 05, 2008, 01:46:22 PM
Of course anne, I see your point on this. And there's a part of me that feels ambivalent about bringing up appearances, clothes, etc. But that's at least 75% of the whole Palin package. Without it, she doesn't have much, except possibility the ability to speak into the camera or a crowd. And that's not the same as speaking to a person; though people watching her on TV have the impression she's speaking to them, they are totally wrong, she is addressing nobody at all. Biden was speaking to a person - he was addressing Ifill, while Palin was totally ignoring her. (Very rude, in a debate format, but that doesn't necessarily show on TV.) But that meant he wasn't speaking into the camera. Details, like the wardrobe, you might say. But it's not. It's significant to a lot of Americans, the ones who are reacting instead of thinking. Some undecided commenters swung to Palin simply due to the fact she talked into the camera - I saw that in the post-debate reactions.

Thanks for the link Debra, it's a good one. It's interesting to see how other people view this.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think Biden was doing any manipulating there. That's not how it came off to me. I don't speak in public very often, but I did get the chance last month. After my little presentation, which was about animals and history, somebody asked me a question that was more personal than what I was expecting. I started to answer, then choked up, and finally ended up not giving the answer I really wanted to give, because I would've totally lost it. I apologised for that, but I was a bit stunned that talking about something that was really important to me would have that effect. If I had more experience and skill at public speaking, I might've been able to say what I really wanted to, or recovered more quickly.

I don't think politicians are necessarily always on the make to manipulate; those things aren't easy to fake, imho. Palin doesn't even try, she probably knows she couldn't pull it off.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on October 05, 2008, 01:55:22 PM
Here, btw, is the passage in which "Say it ain't so, Joe" came up, which was a twofer -- immediately after she did that, she managed to condescend to both of Biden's wives -- the earthly one and the one in heaven, and yeah, I think that was done on purpose too:

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PALIN: Say it ain't so, Joe, there you go again pointing backwards again. You preferenced your whole comment with the Bush administration. Now doggone it, let's look ahead and tell Americans what we have to plan to do for them in the future. You mentioned education and I'm glad you did. I know education you are passionate about with your wife being a teacher for 30 years, and god bless her. Her reward is in heaven, right? I say, too, with education, America needs to be putting a lot more focus on that and our schools have got to be really ramped up in terms of the funding that they are deserving. Teachers needed to be paid more. I come from a house full of school teachers. My grandma was, my dad who is in the audience today, he's a schoolteacher, had been for many years. My brother, who I think is the best schoolteacher in the year, and here's a shout-out to all those third graders at Gladys Wood Elementary School, you get extra credit for watching the debate.

Education credit in American has been in some sense in some of our states just accepted to be a little bit lax and we have got to increase the standards. No Child Left Behind was implemented. It's not doing the job though. We need flexibility in No Child Left Behind. We need to put more of an emphasis on the profession of teaching. We need to make sure that education in either one of our agendas, I think, absolute top of the line. My kids as public school participants right now, it's near and dear to my heart. I'm very, very concerned about where we're going with education and we have got to ramp it up and put more attention in that arena.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on October 05, 2008, 01:59:52 PM
skdadl, if you're referring to my three comments as an 'eruption', that's a bit strong, don't you think? And I did not tell you or anyone to shut up.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on October 05, 2008, 02:01:05 PM
She didn't even mention vouchers, or anything about taxes or school funding. Her statements provide zero information. Plus, she's not relateable at all - where do people get that from? Who doesn't have schoolteachers in their family? Jeezus, I'm so upset about Palin and I'm not even American.

Where's vmichel? I'd love to know how she's coming off in your state, vee...
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: jrootham on October 05, 2008, 02:03:11 PM
The more I see of Palin, the more I think that the correct framework to look at her is Robert Altemeyer's (http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/%7Ealtemey/).  I know I keep harping on this, but it just seems to explain so much and get referenced so little.

She is a Right Wing Authoritarian (RWA) who is also a Social Dominant (SD).

As an RWA she desperately wants to keep everything in the traditional mode.  Huge deference to the Way Things Are, including traditional authority (that certainly includes the patriarchy).  Even intelligent RWA's don't think very well because they compartmentalize the whole world and don't see contradictions between the compartments.

As a SD she is willing to do anything to advance her position in the world.  This very much includes lying.  

The RWA's in America are the members of fundamentalist churches (very high correlation both ways).  She is a natural leader of this group.

This is dangerous, this is the road to Gilead.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on October 05, 2008, 02:06:40 PM
Two comments were made that dissed the entire discussion, and that's a quote.

No one here is in kindergarten. When a few people are following a line of analysis that is interesting to them, it is strange to have someone else who doesn't like the entire discussion walk in and deliver the 101 lecture to people who, we all know, don't need it.

Gee, I take a lot of sniping without reacting, but today I just don't have the patience. I think that people should contribute constructively to topics that interest them.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on October 05, 2008, 02:23:14 PM
Yes, I saw Biden choke up.  And I didn't believe it.  So his kid is in Iraq.  Jeebus, whose kid down there isn't either there, on the way , or coming home on a stretcher?  I think it is shitty that Palin is making political hay on the fact her juvenile delinquent is on his way to Saudi Arabia or Kuwait (they're never very clear on just where Sonnyboy is going and she, of course, makes it sound as if he's being dropped into the very middle of a shitstorm) and I'm not impressed if Biden uses his sons' military service politically.

You see, I'm not a fan of Joe Biden.  I think he was picked because he's a counterfoil for Obama.  He's white, he's got nearly a lifetime of experience dealing with the backroom boys, experience which easily counterbalances Madman's claims.  And he is in no way a threat where "charisma: is concerned (thank you PET for reviving that term!!)

Obama-Biden are trying to come in as crusaders, trying to pull the kind of heartstrings which resonated when Martin Luther King hypnotized huge crowds.  And they're trying to do it without really getting very specific about just what it is they're going to alter.  It's false , it's phoney and it's unfair to try to incite a movement on such amorphous things as "change".  Change what?  Obama has said "all options are on the table".  he supported going into Iraq.  What's he going to change?  His own voting record?  His own my country right or wrong lockstep pace?

Damn it, Bruce Springsteen does a better job!!

No, I don't believe Biden's momentary choke.

I do accept the "speaking to the camera" comments, and I think I probably agree with them.  But in a TV debate that's pretty much what you're supposed to do, isn't it?  So she's a well trained lap dog.  We knew that.

What needs to be pointed out is that the well trained lap dog has rabies.  She caught it from the cabal which is putting her out there.

WHY is it up to internet bloggers to emphasize that this self proclaimed advocate of women's rights and programmes made rape victims pay for their own rape kits IN VIOLATION of federal law?  WHY isn't it being said clearly by Obama-Biden that she risked having federal funding CUT OFF to hospitals in Alaska by her stupid and vengeful treatment of rape survivors?

Why aren't they just enunciating clearly the several known instances of her fudging the truth?
And for that matter, why aren't our own politicians just reciting a list of all the many and various ways Steeeeeeevie has been a total prick and cut programmes?

I mean "polite" is one thing but this other is ridiculous.

and nobody told anybody to shut up
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: fern hill on October 05, 2008, 02:40:24 PM
What? We can't comment on a discussion?

What's 'constructively'?

I think this demonstrates a case for more threads rather than the tendency for 'omnibus' threads that may well take a tack that some people are not interested in or find silly or whatever. I've lost interest in several such threads and just stopped following them.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on October 05, 2008, 02:53:43 PM
Kevin has two very funny vids up at POGGE, (http://www.pogge.ca/archives/002079.shtml) the first a very good spoof of the Canadian leaders and the second the really wildly funny riff SNL did last night on Biden/Palin. Och, my sides hurt after watching that.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on October 05, 2008, 02:55:29 PM
Well, I'm going to go get a cup of tea for a couple of hours.  Maybe Fern would like to join me in worshipping the Brown Betty.

Not allowed to comment on a discussion.  So it isn't a "discussion" at all, it's , what, a screed, a lecture, a...what, exactly.  Closed discussion, seems like.  Exclusive discussion.  Maybe even a tree fort.  Or a dolls house.

Sometimes it almost feels as if there's a pyramid, with some on top who must never be disobeyed or disagreed with or challenged, and others who, well, aren't at the top and can be any or all of the above.  As if some are The Final Word and others aren't.

In any event, I'm going for a couple of cups of tea.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Debra on October 05, 2008, 03:04:13 PM
Oh please Anne you make any comment you like and be as cutting as a sharp new knife. Give me a break with your victimhood.

No one said anyone A) couldn't discuss or B) weren't perfectly fucking welcome to start a new thread.

Frankly far too many of the discussions around here lately revolve around pot shots and not around discussion at all.

Why else the complete ignoring of other threads. I posted about women in Saudi being told they can only show one eye. Not an perpetual thread, but I guess it does backwardly deal with fashion so I suppose I shouldn't have posted it.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: pookie on October 05, 2008, 03:12:19 PM
Just to go back to something else fer a minute.

I'm going to go against the grain on this and say that while there is plenty of evidence that Sarah Palin is a posturing phony who doesn't have an ounce of real compassion in her body, her non-reaction to Joe Biden's emotional moment is being overplayed.  I've tried to think about how I would respond in that situation.  You're debating someone whom you've just met for the first time and they make reference to a profound tragedy they suffered years ago.  I think you're screwed any way you go.  If you try and sympathize, that will come off as phony because you've spent the last hour talking about what an SOB he is, plus you have no prior relationship, nada, to give that sympathy any credibility.  If you respond but then pivot it to your own talking point, that will come off as crass manipulation.  And if you pounce on it you will come off as a monster.  

So I think a perfectly reasonable response is to try and get the conversation back on neutral territory.  It's what a lot of people who are not socially regressive or devoid of feeling would do.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: brebis noire on October 05, 2008, 04:42:18 PM
In the context of a debate, I can see how that might be hard for someone to respond to, but with Palin, who was not responding to anything except the camera and the talking points they'd drilled into her, I'm not conceding anything. In fact, I'm sure that a lot of pols could've come up with something better than a cold non-response. Particularly hard to defend when she'd brought up his wife, and the reward in heaven thing. Seen in that context she came off as being both headless and heartless.

She was on the attack, in a trademarked mean-girl kind of way, so any concession to his experience would've taken away from that "winner" :roll: attitude. Likely, that was the way she was prepped too; i.e. "if Biden brings up his kids' accident, just pretend you didn't hear, and don't respond." Typical Repugnicanness, in other words.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: skdadl on October 05, 2008, 05:14:17 PM
pookie, you are describing what I would consider the Canadian Reaction -- I mean, I've done that kind of thing m'self, and I kind of hate myself for it, but often, if I sense someone else is overloading, I pipe up like an idiot and pretend it's just not there. I mean, that is the repressed Presbyterian thing to do, after all. (Actually, I learned to do that from my mother, who was a Catholic, but she survived the Depression all on her own, so that might explain it.)

But Palin is no repressed Presbyterian. She had seeded so many nasty personal swipes at both Biden and Obama into her speechifying (blowing the moderator off along the way), and she was laying claim so often all the way through to being the folksy earthy candidate -- and then she gets a chance to be human, and she just relaunches into yapping like a parrot. I find it quite jolting to watch.

She didn't have to say anything icky. If she'd actually been listening to Biden, she would have heard him making a point about working people, not just choking up over his own kids. I would have spoken to that point, but she can't because that's not in her playbook. The way that ordinary people are scared and hurting right now -- that's not what an upbeat cheerleader wants to talk about.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on October 05, 2008, 05:41:20 PM
Yeah and we speechify as well. Cuz that's alot of ways of saying we have, they have, a Sham Democracy, cuz the revolution, any kindofone, is already betrayed.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: anne cameron on October 05, 2008, 06:14:18 PM
"Victimhood"?  Me?

A victim would just lower her eyes and accept, would not challenge nor speak above the humm of the contented hive.

But we've known all along it's your site.  Your rules.  Yours.  All yours.  No question about that.  None at all.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Toedancer on October 05, 2008, 06:33:53 PM
Quote from: anne cameron
"Victimhood"?  Me?

A victim would just lower her eyes and accept, would not challenge nor speak above the humm of the contented hive.

But we've known all along it's your site.  Your rules.  Yours.  All yours.  No question about that.  None at all.

Rilly? Cuz if that is the real case, I swear on my honour, I wuld not, NOT, have put up with that. Am I missing something? Am I a total 'tard;? If you do feel like that, then I am gobsmacked. OTOH I am usually totally distracted by other issues. So pls. enlighten me, so that I can make a distinction. Thanks. I am not wanting to make a 'class' distinction, but I do believe one is being made. If is that is the case then I want to be actively engaged with that. Thanks.
Title: Re: Everything you wanted to know about Sarah Palin....
Post by: Berlynn on October 06, 2008, 01:21:21 AM
Hmm...I thought this was the public Palin thread. :annoyed:

For the record, I'm grateful for Naomi Wolf's contribution on Palin and must say that her first book, The Beauty Myth, changed my life in a huge way.  But I am young enough to be the daughter of some of you and old enough to be the mother of others.  IOW, I'm the same age as Wolf and so I figure she would have been under 30 when she wrote that book.  I say it's pretty fine for one so young and I totally *get* where she was coming from in it.  

Her latest book, The End of America, is essential for a clearer understanding of what the USA is up to and I value it as her contribution to feminist and left-leaning discourse.  It could not have been easy to do that research -- not easy at all.

As for the attack on tears, well, I am a crybaby and I value tears. They are a natural human reaction to pain and I have taken too much abuse for that natural reaction.  I've developed a bit of a knack for recognizing crocodile tears and I don't believe that the tears shed by Biden or Hilary were fake.  I appreciate that kind of emotional honesty.  

Palin is emotionally dishonest and that is why I have no pity and very little compassion for her.  My opinion of her would improve were she to shed a real tear.  Quite frankly, I don't think she knows how to cry, she is that disconnected from herself and too far removed from the real world, the world in which the majority of the world's population live.
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Post by: matttbastard on October 06, 2008, 11:21:41 AM
Noam Scheiber on Palin in the latest issue of TNR (cover story): (http://www.tnr.com/story_print.html?id=8c130fe3-adab-4cb3-8443-c363f085cf13)

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Palin...may be the first conservative politician since Nixon to experience resentment so authentically. For her, it's not so much a political tool as a motivating principle. A trip through Palin's past reveals that almost every step of her career can be understood as a reaction to elitist condescension--much of it in her own mind.
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Post by: matttbastard on October 06, 2008, 02:56:04 PM
Joe Klein continues his unexpected ascent into relevance. (http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/10/embarracuda.html)
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Post by: Antonia on October 07, 2008, 12:14:47 PM
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Anybody notice how she is talkin' more and more like a rube everyday?
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Post by: Debra on October 07, 2008, 12:18:38 PM
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Post by: Antonia on October 07, 2008, 02:59:22 PM
Thanks!
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Post by: Debra on October 07, 2008, 10:46:37 PM
Brigitte Bardot slams Palin as a 'disgrace to women' (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i-eONCWO6eJs-faQpwv7bL-oHYwQl) see link by Berlynn for story.

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"I hope you lose these elections because that would be a victory for the world," Bardot wrote in an open letter to Republican John McCain's running mate in the November vote.

"By denying the responsibility of man in global warming, by advocating gun rights and making statements that are disconcertingly stupid, you are a disgrace to women and you alone represent a terrible threat, a true environmental catastrophe," wrote Bardot.
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Post by: lagatta on October 07, 2008, 11:04:17 PM
Site tells me article not availible.

Too bad - "All fractious on the feminine far right"?

Bardot was a Le Pen supporter. A pox on both of them.
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Post by: Berlynn on October 08, 2008, 12:21:40 AM
Try this for the Bardot piece. (http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/bardot-slams-palin-as-a-disgrace-to-women/2008/10/08/1223145388360.html)
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Post by: lagatta on October 08, 2008, 12:28:11 PM
Margaret Cho has a short take on fascist Bardot here: Cho - Brigitte Bardot is a fascist (http://www.margaretcho.com/blog/2004/06/10/brigitte-bardot-is-a-fascist.html)

Although I have zero opinion on Bardot vs Palin in general - they are examples of different varieties of far-right scum - Bardot is in large part correct about Palin's wanton plunder and disregard for wildlife and the environment. Though natch, Bardot is misinformed - she was at L'Élysée to plead with Sarko for a total ban on imports of Canadian seal products, although the seals are not endangered at all.
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Post by: Debra on October 08, 2008, 01:45:14 PM
Great article on why women hate Palin (http://blogs.knoxnews.com/knx/granju/2008/10/the-real-reason-a-lot-of-women.html)

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Sarah Palin is undoubtedly accomplished and charismatic all on her own. However, for her to smugly act as if she doesn't owe a debt of gratitude to the generations of American women before her who marched and organized and protested and brought lawsuits and ran for office themselves so that she could stand on a national stage in 2008  - while at the same time successfully mothering five children - is just plain rude. And it irritates a lot of us who share her gender.
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Post by: fern hill on October 08, 2008, 02:53:22 PM
OMFG! Palin is distantly related to Princess Di. (http://uk.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUKTRE4971HJ20081008) :pukey:
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Post by: k'in on October 08, 2008, 04:50:23 PM
Maybe Elton John will redo his song yet again: call it Maverick in the Wind...

Goodbye Norma Jean...Goodbye England's Rose...Goodbye Sarah Louise...
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Post by: anne cameron on October 08, 2008, 05:25:46 PM
Hey, if you're Christian believers then we're all cousins.  Adam and Eve , Cain and Abel...I mean, really, how can we be anything else.  That has to mean I'm related to...ohmigawd, Fern Hill, we're both related to Sarah Palin...!
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Post by: fern hill on October 08, 2008, 05:28:01 PM
Look on the bright side, anne. It also means you and I are related. :mrgreen:
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Post by: Berlynn on October 08, 2008, 05:46:56 PM
WTF???  You mean I'm related to all you looney leftist feminists??? ;)  :lol:

Oh, wait, no!  You're all related to me!!! :mrgreen: Lucky you!!!  :whis:  :ducking:
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Post by: anne cameron on October 08, 2008, 08:13:12 PM
Well, I don't know about the rest of you but MY relatives are a whole helluva lot nicer than yours are, nyah nyah!!

thread drift thread drift thread drift

we had the most hellacious windstorm, winds over 130 kph...one boat at the marina sank and another was torn loose from the moorings and tossed up on the beach.  This morning I go outside at crack of dawn and...Rugged Mountain is sheathed in SNOW.

fer chrissakes, it's only October!

well, I blame Sarah Palin for this.
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Post by: deBeauxOs on October 08, 2008, 09:22:10 PM
And in other noose, a moose got loose.
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Post by: Berlynn on October 08, 2008, 10:15:59 PM
Moose on the loose?  Is Sarah goin' huntin' from a helicopter agin?


ETA:  The Palin Problem (http://www.newsweek.com/id/162396)