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Title: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on December 16, 2008, 01:19:06 PM
In light of Zoom's experience and one I had (involved a young woman being cuffed up the street one night, I stayed and observed cuz she was so young and so stoned). The young woman was more than spunky, she resisted strongly and couldn't hear anything anybody said because she was in a rage. The Hamilton cops used pain compliance cuffs and that got her into the cop car. Anyway I decided to look around at what's happening in police training in Ontario. I did not know so many Ontario cops were sent to Israel to receive training as far back as '05. Nor that the Dept. of Homeland Security sponsored Ontario's chiefs/cops to receive training in Israel.

First a speech given by Susan Azzeh with her concerns in '05 (http://www.hamiltoncoalitiontostopthewar.ca/Articles/Speeches/SusanHowardAzzeh.htm) She's from the Hamilton Coalition to Stop the War.

Police Complaint to McGuinty re: police training in Israel by Montreal Muslims (http://www.montrealmuslimnews.net/policecomplaint.htm)

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2.0 COMPLAINT # 1. ONTARIO CHIEFS’ OF POLICE VISIT TO ISRAEL Israel is a strange choice as a place to send Ontario Chiefs of Police and senior officers for training. To put this ill-advised trip in perspective, I pose this question – would Canada have sent Canadian police officers and other senior officials to apartheid South Africa to emulate the brutal and racist methods of the white minority government rule in South Africa?

6 Nations complaint to the Israeli training of our cops, feel targeted (http://www.reclamationinfo.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1069)

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The U.S. Department of Homeland Security DHS sponsored training in Israel to teach Canadian cops how the Israelis ?control? the Palestinians. Another session starts this month. Ontario Provincial Police Commissioner Julian ?Linguini Legs? Fantino took the course in 2005. He went with 35 Ontario police chiefs, various bureaucrats, politicians and heads of Jewish organizations on this foray called the ?Ontario Police Mission to Israel?. Morris Zbar of the United Jewish Appeal is involved in ?modernizing? Ontario prisons. That is, bringing them up to ?Abu Graib? standards? See the list at the end of this article of the ?wannabe robo cops?. Notice that most of these neo-fascists ply their trade near Ongwehonwe communities.

Last, but not least, On March 23, 2008, Canada’s Minister of Public Safety, Stockwell Day, and Israel’s Minister of Public Security signed a Declaration of Intent to “enhance cooperation in the area public safety.” While this declaration builds on existing cooperation 1 between Canada and Israel on security-related matters, the formality of this declaration bring a new level of significance and importance to the sharing (http://www.cjpme.ca/documents/39%20En%20Canada-Israel%20Public%20Safety%20Cooperation%20v.3.pdf)

We should be very concerned. While we understand naturally why Muslims and Aboriginals feel targeted, obviously the tactics are to be used on Anyone!

Separate from our cops and the new tactics of treating civilians with total disrespect, there is also a RCMP Watch (http://www.rcmpwatch.com/)

I'm sure OCAP would have a Cop Watch for Ontario, but I gotta get back to work.
Title: Re: Ontario cops trained by Israeli military
Post by: skdadl on December 16, 2008, 01:23:35 PM
Lord, have mercy. Thanks for those links, Toe.
Title: Re: Ontario cops trained by Israeli military
Post by: Toedancer on December 18, 2008, 12:11:53 AM
Re: Zoom's post and responses. No. 91 is the professional standards section guy who gives numbers/contacts and No. 94 gives valuable information, which I'll re-post here for our own use if it ever comes up.

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Just in case is thinking of making a complaint to the Ottawa - do not go through the formal process! I’ve got some experience with this as I was harrassed by a police officer the day the squat was taken down (7 year squat on Gilmore). The officer had made sexually suggestive comments to me (I was doing legal support for the squatters and demonstrators that day). I did go to the police station to make a formal complaint. The staff seargant that spoke to me on that day obviously immediately discouraged me from taking any form of action. But I also learned something that day (due to persistence and generally being pissed off). If you go through the informal process (as the formal one pretty much never gets anywhere) each and every complaint goes across the Ontario super intendent’s desk. If many of these complaints are attributed to a police offer they will NOT receive their promotions!

http://knitnut.net/?p=871 (http://knitnut.net/?p=871)
Title: Re: Ontario cops trained by Israeli military
Post by: Toedancer on January 23, 2009, 11:48:22 PM
Maybe I should change the name of this particular thread to Canadian Cops Are Idiots!

3 off-duty Van. cops beat the shit out of a 'brown' Nat.Pest Delivery man (http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=1211962)

But Wally Opal wants us to keep an open mind until all the facts are in  :annoyed:

One re-assigned to admin duties, other 2 off work With Pay! Excuse me, but those assholes are paid with tax dollars! Fire them NOW!
Title: Re: Ontario cops trained by Israeli military
Post by: Croghan27 on January 24, 2009, 06:38:15 AM
I see that one cop had: been with the force for four years, while another was a cop for 18 months. - the experience (and name) of the third is not mentioned. (Must be somebody's cousin.)

In my world even the four year man would be considered a newbie I would suspect that any promotion ladder with those forces reflects this  - I read somewhere recently that it takes ten years to really get experience in any occupation. I would expect longer in a sensitive position that deals with the public from a position of authority like the Police.

One of the cops was 38, one 28 - no spring chickens that! Have the hiring standards declined so much that an obvious racist has managed to get onto a force? This cannot even by attributed to some kind of 'youthful' exuberance, 38 is well past any definition of youth - someone that age is set in their ways and probably has been for some time. Is there no record of this? If not, why not: if so, has it been covered up?

This was the action of three Policemen from two different forces (Delta and New Westminster) I am not sure of the organization of the Vancouver Police divisions ... West Vancouver Police and the Vancouver Police Chief are mentioned in there too. Is this attitude endemic?

I googled another story from that one and found that there seems to be a rash of demeanours, minor and otherwise by BC Police, (http://www.canada.com/story.html?id=1209886) and am reminded that it was there that Robert Dziekanski managed to get himself killed by the RCMP in the airport.

(That is interesting by itself .... He was violent. Well, no not really violent - after many hours he trashed a TV set .... not really violent. He was drunk. Well, no, there was no evidence of alcohol in his body. The latest is he was a long time alcoholic. - which apparently he was not, but now try to deny it. Nice to see the 'explanation' move as each rationalization is proved false.) It seems an 82 year (pen knife flashing) man was tazered in a hospital bed as well.

The Police Services on the West Coast have never been known for being subtitle - in my time they trashed the son of an American official while he was trying to avoid an anti-war protest. It is hard to pass this off as a 'one time thing by bad apples'  let us hope that B.C.'s Attorney General Wally Oppal looks into the totality of these action. Yes, these people are innocent until proven guilty, but beyond that one incidence it certainly appears to be part of a pattern of behaviour that should be halted/corrected/abolished ASAP.
Title: Re: Ontario cops trained by Israeli military
Post by: Alison on January 24, 2009, 08:13:12 AM
Last night's TV news coverage featured the snippet that police were investigating the possibility that the three cops who are all friends had been slipped some kind of drug. Words fail.
The Hyatt has outdoor surveillance cameras so we'll see what that turns up. Apparently municipal workers attempted to stop the cops with shovels.
Title: Re: Ontario cops trained by Israeli military
Post by: Croghan27 on January 24, 2009, 09:01:07 AM
Quote from: Alison@Creekside
Last night's TV news coverage featured the snippet that police were investigating the possibility that the three cops who are all friends had been slipped some kind of drug. Words fail.
The Hyatt has outdoor surveillance cameras so we'll see what that turns up. Apparently municipal workers attempted to stop the cops with shovels.

Slipped? Now that is a jump!

One wishes the 'municipal workers' put the shovels to good use during the confrontation. (I am waiting for some ideologue to remark that finally the shovels were used for something.)
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on January 24, 2009, 06:18:03 PM
Slipped something into their drinks? OMG, they are floating that idea out for public opinion. Obviously it won't fly. Concoction of sterois/testosterone might make someone more aggressive, but I've never heard it change core beliefs, like being a racist.

Keep us updated if you can Alison. Thanks.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Zastrozzi on January 24, 2009, 07:11:04 PM
Quote from: Toedancer
Concoction of sterois/testosterone might make someone more aggressive....
It sounds like a textbook case of "excited delirium." Hey, if they can use it to slur Dziekanski and the other people they've tasered, why not try to use the same bogus medical condition in their own defence? I'd at least give them marks for audacity. Or maybe these guys all overdosed on Twinkies or something.

Yeah, the three policemen involved were all from different departments, none of them from Vancouver proper. (West Van is a separate city and separate force, although they've also had their share of controversy, like drunken parties in the police station.)

Perhaps the worst bit was how the Vancouver police who arrived on the scene apparently arrested and handcuffed the victim first, before they realized what was really going on. Because of course when you see three men in civilian clothes who say they're policemen, and they're beating up a middle-aged man of South Asian ancestry, who do you assume is the wrongdoer?

Anyway, I'm meeting a friend tonight outside the Hyatt. (Really, I am.) I'll be careful out there....
Title: Re: Ontario cops trained by Israeli military
Post by: arborman on January 25, 2009, 09:48:31 AM
Quote from: Toedancer
One re-assigned to admin duties, other 2 off work With Pay! Excuse me, but those assholes are paid with tax dollars! Fire them NOW!

Though I am inclined to agree, they are and have to be innocent until proven guilty.  Doesn't matter who they are.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on January 25, 2009, 01:47:42 PM
Too true arborman.

Excessive force Edmonton (http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2009/01/24/8133831-sun.html)

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"There was insufficient control, there was far too much tunnel vision, there was not enough attention to who was at the scene, and no appreciation of what each officer was doing. There was a professed inability to recall how many patrol cars were in pursuit, following, or paralleling Mr. Jara's car. There were no notes. And the accidental Tasering of one of the police officers certainly capped the whole misadventure."  :lol:

Partially blaming the vague use-of-force model by which Fox and Sparreboom were expected to be guided, Logar dismissed charges against both men.

That use-of-force model, Logar pointed out, has been amended since the incident.

Sparreboom, however, was found guilty of insubordination for failing to keep diligent and accurate notes of the event as outlined by EPS policy.

He was given the lightest possible sentence: a reprimand.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on January 25, 2009, 02:12:06 PM
Dawg has the updates on Phil Khan's beating (http://drdawgsblawg.blogspot.com/2009/01/they-kill-immigrants-dont-they.html)
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: deBeauxOs on January 25, 2009, 07:47:31 PM
This action (http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090125/officer_shot_090125/20090125?hub=Toronto) displays gross incompetence, as well as a disregard for public safety.
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As police rushed to secure the scene on Saturday night, there was further chaos when a police cruiser that had been left parked on nearby railway tracks that cross Wallace Ave. was hit by a Via train. No injuries were reported, but the cruiser sustained major damage, CTV Toronto said late Saturday night.

Police said the cruiser couldn't be moved because its battery had died. Investigators are also looking into the circumstances of the crash.
And what if the train had derailed, and passengers had been injured?  What kind of idiot leaves a vehicle on train tracks that are in use?
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on January 26, 2009, 08:14:54 PM
Van cops  recommend charges against 2 off-duty cops (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090126.wvancouverpolice0126/BNStory/National/home)

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Six investigators have been involved in the case, which was complicated because there were three suspects, said Chief Chu.
 :banghead

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The victim has said his assailants made racial slurs but the chief said the victim was unable to link those cases to a specific assailant so that will not be a factor going forward in the matter.
 :banghead  Too bad their was no audio, meantime where's the video?

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This incident is an aberration that cannot and will not ever be tolerated."

Uh-huh, by the good cops, but the bad just keep on getting away with it. This is not good enough, not even close. Khan should sue them. What will the Crown do?

eta - Oh wait Khan is suing the fuckers (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20090126.BCASSAULT26/TPStory/National)
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on April 08, 2009, 11:47:35 AM
The B.C. Civil Liberties Association wants Vancouver police reminded that they can't just seize photos and videos from witnesses.The association said there have been three incidents where police have tried to seize cameras and video cameras — all three in cases of police-involved shootings. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090407.wpolicecomplaint0407/BNStory/National/home)

Considering the Brits (Section 44) is being misused as an excuse to try to hide cops wrong acts, most especially at protests, we need to keep an eye out for any changes here. The cops say they take the photos/videos to 'preserve' evidence, which is a big lie considering some have been returned erased. As a citizen, probably the best thing to do is to refuse to turn the camera over and to identify yourself to the police officer and say you’re preserving the evidence.

eta - RCMP officers in Ontario have won the right to unionize. I'm not sure what I think about that. In B.C. there is an incestuous relationship between cops/union and politicians, something we've always known across the country.
This article (http://www.theage.com.au/national/investigations/minister-told-ashby-be-careful-20090405-9t9l.html) demonstrates.

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A VICTORIAN Government minister tipped off former assistant police commissioner Noel Ashby in 2007 that then union chief Paul Mullett might be under investigation, according to a secret briefing paper prepared on behalf of Ashby.

Commission for public complaints against the RCMP is toothless and many recommendations are ignored,maybe the rank and file can do a shake-up.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: skdadl on April 08, 2009, 12:15:00 PM
This is especially interesting today, given the release in England of the shocking video of the assault on Ian Tomlinson.

Interestingly, the guy who filmed the incident (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/07/ian-tomlinson-g20-death-video) is -- wait for it -- an investment fund manager from New York.  The Guardian is keeping him anonymous, but it sounds as though he actually got back to the U.S. before he got in touch with the Guardian and offered up his tape.

Y'know, if the state is gonna film us all the time, then maybe we had better start walking around with our cams trained on them. Without this kind of evidence, knowing what they say before this kind of evidence turns up, how can we believe anything they say?
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on April 08, 2009, 12:30:04 PM
Yeah I read that, thank goodness for the widow and son of Tomlinson. Now bet the cops will say pre-existing heart-attack waiting to happen.  :roll:
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Mandos on April 08, 2009, 01:10:31 PM
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Y'know, if the state is gonna film us all the time, then maybe we had better start walking around with our cams trained on them. Without this kind of evidence, knowing what they say before this kind of evidence turns up, how can we believe anything they say?

I am planning on eventually doing this.  It will soon be possible to upload video directly to YouTube as you film it.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on April 21, 2009, 07:07:39 PM
Cops can now 'take all your stuff' (http://www.torontosun.com/comment/columnists/mindelle_jacobs/2009/04/21/9185191-sun.html)

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In other words, if the police want your car, house, money or any other assets, they can get away with it without even arresting you as long as they convince a judge something doesn't smell right. No conviction necessary.
 :shock:
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: skdadl on April 21, 2009, 07:32:22 PM
I find that very confusingly written. The police have always been able to do certain things "on a balance of probabilities" before any trial occurs -- on what the Merkins call "probable cause" (maybe we do too, but I'm not sure) -- that's how they get warrants. All of that is a long way from conviction -- conviction is sort of irrelevant if the cops can talk a judge into believing that something is going wrong.

As the law professor there says, the police have to convince the judge that the "stuff" they want to seize is in some way instrumental to a crime. And it's not very realistic to think that no one will have been arrested and charged in such a situation.

This isn't so different from what happens when an accused comes up for bail. Even before a trial, the judge has to make a decision about whether to let an accused back out on the streets. That's done on balance of probabilities too.

I have no doubt that this system is often unfair and discriminatory, but there is an inherent tension in the law between presumption of innocence and probable danger. Think Paul Bernardo. Would you have let him go free on bail?
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on April 21, 2009, 08:23:11 PM
The Pest makes more sense (http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1506515)

What I'm thinking about is how far some cops will go for the prosecution, including giving false testimony or perjuring themselves, destroying evidence etc. Now I know they do that most especially when they know the person is guilty, but there is also entrapment and other nefarious police tactics. Regarding entrapment Hurricane Carter comes to mind. And now we know previous policy telling officers not to use a taser repeatedly has been deleted despite the Robert Dziekanski fiasco. I can imagine a lot of cars being seized if cops even suspect you've got personal use grams of pot/hash. The judges are more than likely to side with the cop too.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: skdadl on April 21, 2009, 08:41:23 PM
Toe, they scare me too, and we all know the discriminatory leaps they make, not first because they think you're guilty but because you look poor or black or native or crazy or otherwise just not the right sort of person to them.

So they scare me too. We had this discussion a week or so ago somewhere at POGGE, and PLG said something like "We need them, even if we need to reform them." (He went on to say that he didn't see why we need the intel guys, and I would agree with that too.)

We do need the cops, though, and there are a lot of times they have to act on probabilities. I do wish the stupid war on drugs would end, though.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on April 24, 2009, 02:47:19 PM
6,000 British Army MP's learning how to use the Taser in Medicine Hat (http://www.medicinehatnews.com/content/view/91725/65/)

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“It was a bit more painful than I expected,” said British Army Warrant Officer Brett Stanford shortly after receiving a jolt from the Taser.
“I was rather nervous before hand but it was good fun, good training.”
Uh-huh, urban warfare training.

Is this (http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2005/12/28/harper-military051228.html) what Harper meant when he said he wanted to boost military in our cities?
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on November 09, 2009, 08:55:07 PM
What Morton heard on the radio. Toronto police will search, so the radio says, 6000 homes all without a warrant. (http://jmortonmusings.blogspot.com/2009/11/door-to-door-searches.html)

Sheesh, none of the commentors even 'checked' for a source, to find out why.

60 investigators join hunt for Mariam (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2009/11/09/mariam-makniashvilli.html)

Mariam's disappearance has had me scratching my head many times. My final conclusion was she was spoken to by a stranger, who maybe called from his car to the school entrance, on some sort of pretext, she was taken and is being held prisoner for all kinds of nefarious, sick reasons. Except that doesn't explain finding the schoolbag behind in a parking lot, unless she was fearful enough to throw her bag out as a clue.

Regarding without a search warrant is another question. I know I would say yes, for the goal of finding her.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: skdadl on November 10, 2009, 06:49:26 AM
Hmmn. We need a lawyer to advise.

I've always been told that you should never invite the police into your home because they are then free to do a lot of things you didn't think you were inviting them in for. If they have a warrant, you have to let them in, but otherwise, no.

I see the problem in cases like these. I'm wondering whether there shouldn't be some legal instrument that a judge could give the police that authorizes mass searches for a single purpose but puts very strict limits on them.

Hard to imagine a cop not looking at everything he can, though, and of course some people are more vulnerable to abuse from the cops than are others. I remember the cop who arrived with the paramedics at our place one morning -- he had a very fast walk-through and scoped out everything (as T was having a grand mal seizure).
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Bacchus on November 10, 2009, 02:57:43 PM
If a cop thinks/believes a felony is cirrently going on in a residence, he can enter without invitation or warrant
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on December 02, 2009, 01:17:39 AM
I know, I just posted in the RCMP/Tazering thread, but I can't help but post this as well. Just to let you all know nothing has changed with protecting their own. This time his word against a 15 year old, except she's older now and pushed on by her bf to speak.

Trial resumes for N.B. Mountie charged with sexual exploitation of girl (http://www.trurodaily.com/index.cfm?sid=305570&sc=518) This scum was a family friend.

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“You don’t remember telling him all the fun he could have with you if he didn’t believe in God?” said James Letcher during his cross-examination of the woman Monday in court of Queen’s Bench in Moncton, N.B.
“And that no one would believe he did anything wrong because he was a Christian?”
The 20-year-old woman, who was 15 when the alleged incidents occurred in the fall of 2004 and can’t be named due to a court-ordered publication ban, said she didn’t say those things to Codiac RCMP Cpl. Alain Boulianne.

Boulianne is again only suspended with pay.

You can google and look all over the entire country, from sea to sea to sea, and see the same thing. Nothing's changed. It's sick, it's exploitive, and it continues on with THIS GOVERNMENT especially. Because Calvinists are all in the same club. Fuck You!
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Bacchus on December 02, 2009, 03:39:51 AM
Not to defend these fucks but given that they are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, they could only be suspended with pay, pending the outcome of the court. Anything more and their rights would be violated. After the guilty verdict then they should be fired :rant:
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: skdadl on December 02, 2009, 06:59:22 AM
Calvinists? Where did that come from?

Bacchus is right: you can't sentence anyone before he's even been tried.

We don't usually make fun of people's names here, but it's beyond irony that that attorney's name is Letcher.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on December 02, 2009, 03:39:58 PM
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Calvinists? Where did that come from?

 :lol:  I was equating their Omnipotent God to the RCMP's Omnipotent powers to always cover their asses.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on October 05, 2010, 12:27:47 AM
Blow Jobs/CandyCain/Pistols and Mounties...Oh My (http://thechronicleherald.ca/Front/9018111.html)
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: skdadl on October 05, 2010, 06:51:50 AM
Just what you want in a justice minister, eh? The RCMP -- they always go that one step beyond outrageous to becoming ridiculous. I mean, an officer who drops his gun?!?
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on November 17, 2010, 01:54:24 PM
Sorry I used Blog Posts link, will re-paste here, so we can watch what happens, if anything.

Quote from: deBeauxOs on Today at 01:37:11 PM (http://breadnroses.ca/community/index.php/topic,6999.msg191938.html#msg191938)<blockquote>Double whammy.
 
knitnut:   Police brutality in Ottawa  (http://www.knitnut.net/2010/11/police-brutality-in-ottawa/)   

dr dawg:   Ottawa Police horror  (http://drdawgsblawg.blogspot.com/2010/11/ottawa-police-horror.html)</blockquote>
This is about a 'handful of cops'.
The judge said he was "appalled" that the strip search took place  in the presence of at least three male police officers.

Read more:  http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/Police+taped+cutting+prisoner/3839929/story.html#ixzz15ZAmP12l (http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/Police+taped+cutting+prisoner/3839929/story.html#ixzz15ZAmP12l)

A   police investigation? Fuck. Also I googled the KKK cop Sgt. Steve   Desjourdy, he seems to be Ottawa's spokescop when anything happens that   is newsworthy. I wouldn't just sue the cop/the force, I would sue the   CITY!
The articles suggest Desjourdy had just been demoted recently

Update - Fire Them All! (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/11/17/ottawa-police-brutalize-lone-100-pound-female-and-arent-fired/)

Does   anybody know, is Brommell still head of the useless Union? I wished I   lived in Ottawa right now, I'd be heading straight to his office with a   placard!
            Ping: Stacy Bonds                                               [size=130%]Please   contact me. I can suggest legal counsel, and we can talk about setting   up a fund to underwrite the costs of your lawsuit.


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Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Holly Stick on November 17, 2010, 02:01:19 PM
Yeah, fire them all, but first ask if any of them were also at the G20 in Toronto.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: skdadl on November 17, 2010, 06:08:51 PM
Bromell was head of Toronto Police Assoc, and yes, he's gone. Now we have another member of the charming McCormack family.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on November 26, 2010, 12:48:03 PM
Have you watched the video of Stacy Bond being brutalised and sexually assaulted? (http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Exclusive+Citizen+obtains+video+Stacy+Bonds+jailhouse+abuse/3883952/story.html)

It's difficult to watch. Worse are the comments on the many articles written about her including Morton's. The ignorance of some of the menz simply floors me, or I assume they are menz by their handles. Of course if there were 4 female cops and 1 male cop doing the same thing to a guy would they change their minds? Of course if it was that way, we'd have to have the guy with his pants and underwear scissored off exposing parts of his genitals. Just to be equal, ya know?

A commenter on a blog yesterday said @ a certain mark the vid goes funny. That is explained HERE (http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Citizen+obtains+video+Stacy+Bonds+jailhouse+abuse/3883952/story.html)  which just further infuriates me.

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Lajoie   released the video to the Citizen under conditions the newspaper not   publish or put on the Internet any portions of the video which showed   Bonds’ partially exposed breast or her attempts to cover herself with   her arm and what remains of her tattered shirt and bra as she is led   into a cell.

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Her   bare back visible, Bonds is eventually lifted by the four male   officers, her arm across her chest holding what remained of her tattered   clothing in an attempt to prevent herself from being completely   exposed.


At the very least those 5 officers need to be quarantined from the public, their grey matter thoroughly cleansed with a deprogramming system from the effects of indoctrination. That should go for the SIU as well, since their stats for finding fault is 0.

The only high point for me personally, was Stacy getting in one good mule kick to Morris that had Morris jumping about in pain. Great kick Stacy! Morris deserved it after kneeing Stacy twice in a row for no reason other than a malicious and perverted sense of entitlement.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: skdadl on November 26, 2010, 01:45:55 PM
All the groping news is beginning to have an effect on me, a bad effect.

I'd be interested to hear from some men whether they are affected as intensely by these stories and vids. I'm sure that many gay men are, or any man who has suddenly had to take a rape threat seriously, and I know that happens.

I'm still not over Ignatieff's comments from yesterday, nor the fact that the press gallery thought he was a riot and a lot of tweeps tagged along after them.
Title: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: deBeauxOs on November 26, 2010, 02:05:31 PM
Have you watched the video of Stacy Bond being brutalised and sexually assaulted? (http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Exclusive+Citizen+obtains+video+Stacy+Bonds+jailhouse+abuse/3883952/story.html)

It's difficult to watch. ...

Here's the online petition -
    Tell Ottawa Police Chief to Fire Abusive Police Officers  (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/701/061/655/)
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on November 26, 2010, 02:14:19 PM
All the groping news is beginning to have an effect on me, a bad effect.

I'd be interested to hear from some men whether they are affected as intensely by these stories and vids. I'm sure that many gay men are, or any man who has suddenly had to take a rape threat seriously, and I know that happens.

I'm still not over Ignatieff's comments from yesterday, nor the fact that the press gallery thought he was a riot and a lot of tweeps tagged along after them.

Yep. I'd like to hear from the men as well.
Regarding Ignatieff - he has shifted so far to the right he is no longer an informed opposition, he has totally delegitimized the Liberal brand. Simply put he's a twit with no exit plan. The U of T really needs to up their offer. I predict him and Harpo will be leaving about the same time with no chance their paths would ever cross again. 
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on November 26, 2010, 02:26:01 PM

Here's the online petition -
    Tell Ottawa Police Chief to Fire Abusive Police Officers  (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/701/061/655/)

Thank you dB
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: lagatta on November 26, 2010, 02:30:30 PM
Yes, I have a gay male friend who was in jail for a couple of months some years ago (yes, one of those criminalizing protest things). He was not actually raped, but he was subjected to constant threats and jokes to that effect (after all, "you like it that way" he he). It is incredibly insensitive to make public jokes about such abuse.

I also know torture victims. Male or female, they all were subjected to sexual assault and humilation, and threats of sexual mutilation.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Boom Boom on November 26, 2010, 03:07:36 PM
Those abusive Ottawa pigs cops should be thrown in jail for a few years to reflect upon their actions.  :mad2
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Croghan27 on November 26, 2010, 03:20:21 PM
Those abusive Ottawa pigs cops should be thrown in jail for a few years to reflect upon their actions.  :mad2

Indeed!
 
I have always thought that the cull should start earlier than that. Anyone who WANTS to be cop, should be crossed off the list of possibilities.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: sparqui on November 26, 2010, 05:25:39 PM
Over 4,300 names on the petition. Not bad.

(An observation - the Care2 site tends to attract lots of US participants who actively sign petitions as they pop up as featured causes. Do you think that dilutes the impact?)
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Croghan27 on November 26, 2010, 06:59:50 PM
In a surge (a charged word these day) of petition signing enthusiasm I went to sign on at the Huffington Post. After filling it out: name, address, email address etc. there was no button to click to send it off .....  :annoyed
 
 
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on December 01, 2010, 02:45:08 PM
To update Ottawa cop watch

Morris sure has a penchant for kicking people while their down (http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Video+released+homeless+kicked+guard+police+cells/3912287/story.html)

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In   the Delay case, Nicholas said Delay, a homeless Aboriginal man, was   kicked by Melanie Morris like "you wouldn't kick a dog." The judge also   said the entire incident "rattles [her]0 confidence in the system."

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In her closing remarks, Nicholas said she found Martin's testimony riddled with inconsistencies from beginning to end.
Martin's   notes from the arrest didn't include details pointing to Delay's   inebriation until the very end, suggesting he tacked them on later, she   said.
Martin also changed his testimony about Delay's   aggressiveness in the cellblock after being shown the video, saying the   officers' use of force was justified by his behaviour on the street and   in the squad car and maintaining Delay continued to yell and swear   despite appearing calm on tape.
Throughout his testimony, Martin maintained he never saw Morris kick Delay[/l]
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on January 11, 2011, 07:55:49 PM
I didn't know where to put this and didn't want to start a new thread.

Bill S-10, which proposes legislative amendments that, among other   things, would introduce mandatory minimum prison sentences for certain   drug-related offences. (http://org2.democracyinaction.org/o/6452/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=4894)

So altho stats say crime is down by a bunch, this is one reason the Cons want to build more pens. Asshats.

Also, in a turnabout the feds now won't modify RCMP rules about disclosure of evidence to the defense (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/government-wont-modify-evidence-disclosure-rules/article1860729/) but that's ONLY because they were discovered to be total liars and hypocrites.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: skdadl on January 11, 2011, 09:40:46 PM
Also, in a turnabout the feds now won't modify RCMP rules about disclosure of evidence to the defense (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/government-wont-modify-evidence-disclosure-rules/article1860729/) but that's ONLY because they were discovered to be total liars and hypocrites.

Finally read it. I suspect the smarter ppl in the department explained to Nicholson  that modifying the disclosure rules would never fly with the courts, as, of course, it shouldn't.

I don't know about the paperwork. Why do they have so much paperwork? I'm tempted to take that claim srsly only because an assoc of defence lawyers agrees it's a problem, so maybe. But on issues like this, I would always line up behind the CCLA. Defence counsel have to have all the evidence prosecution is bringing forward before things proceed.

Maybe the prosecutors aren't being very good editors? That's a possibility. I thought that disclosure covered only what was being brought forward at trial, not absolutely everything the police had done.

We need a lawyer here. pookie? You out there?
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on January 11, 2011, 11:58:54 PM
I wonder what the docs looks like in scads of wrongful convictions in Canada with regards to disclosure.
I happen to think that even after sentencing there should be post-conviction disclosure, it is offensive to our Charter if it is not.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: RP. on January 12, 2011, 11:15:39 PM
Also, in a turnabout the feds now won't modify RCMP rules about disclosure of evidence to the defense (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/government-wont-modify-evidence-disclosure-rules/article1860729/) but that's ONLY because they were discovered to be total liars and hypocrites.

Finally read it. I suspect the smarter ppl in the department explained to Nicholson  that modifying the disclosure rules would never fly with the courts, as, of course, it shouldn't.

I don't know about the paperwork. Why do they have so much paperwork? I'm tempted to take that claim srsly only because an assoc of defence lawyers agrees it's a problem, so maybe. But on issues like this, I would always line up behind the CCLA. Defence counsel have to have all the evidence prosecution is bringing forward before things proceed.

Maybe the prosecutors aren't being very good editors? That's a possibility. I thought that disclosure covered only what was being brought forward at trial, not absolutely everything the police had done.

We need a lawyer here. pookie? You out there?

pookie would be the expert, but I can say that the Crown has to disclose everything which is relevant to someone's charge, whether or not the Crown intends to use it at trial (the SCC case dictating this being Stinchcombe).  This has even been expanded to include whether or not the police involved have been subject to findings of serious misconduct (McNeil).  Disclosure is a good thing, it helps settle things one way or the other.  That doesn't mean that disclosure demands, or what we call O'Connor applications (to get information from a 3rd party, outside of the control of the Crown), looking for things that are not relevant, aren't a pain in the ass.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: k'in on February 08, 2011, 09:09:18 PM
Our finest continue to keep the Bad Cop No Donut  (http://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/)aggregator site humming...

From former booster Joe Warmington's latest column (http://www.torontosun.com/news/columnists/joe_warmington/2011/02/08/17201061.html):

Quote
“He has been suspended with pay.” — a common line used when police officers are charged.
If you threatened to electrocute a person’s genitals, would you still get paid at your place of employment?
How about if you beat a homeless man to a pulp?
Still on the payroll?
Accused of a massive drug conspiracy?
Full pay?
And there’s the one where the supervisor is before the courts on   sexual harassment allegations and of course not one pay cheque is   missed. Most jobs you would be fired for a hell of a lot less.
Would love to see Andrea Horwath/NDP make an overhaul of the Ontario Police Services Act an election pledge.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: skdadl on February 08, 2011, 09:33:01 PM
Bad Cop No Donut -- ha!

I wish I had the patience for reddit. All the younger kids I know use it, but it makes me nervous. ;)
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: k'in on February 17, 2011, 07:21:22 PM
Yep - our "cops are tops (http://www.eyeweekly.com/city/requiredreading/article/110965)"  ::)

Quote
                                                                                   Today in “slut” news: the Toronto  Police, who haven't had a great year in terms of public perception,  distinguished themselves yet again in late January—this time at an  Osgoode Hall safety information session (irony is still cool  when it works like this), where a police officer told students that, to  avoid being sexually assaulted, they shouldn't “dress like sluts.”  According to Ronda Bessner, the assistant dean of the Juris Doctor  program at Osgoode, the officer “said something like,  'I've been told I shouldn't say this,' and then he uttered the  words.”
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on April 28, 2011, 01:18:21 PM
Draconian G20 law to be scrapped (http://www.thestar.com/news/torontog20summit/article/981633--exclusive-province-to-scrap-secret-g20-law)

The 5 meter rule they conveniently forgot to explain  ::)
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: k'in on April 28, 2011, 02:09:00 PM
McMurtry (http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5gscPW57r14RHb_ffCOSSbvhnszRw?docId=6692219):

Quote
The Public Works Protection Act raises issues regarding the liberty and security of the person in providing for warrantless searches and stopping for identification," writes McMurtry in the report. "(The) potential for abuse is beyond troubling, to say the least."McMurtry called the law "vague," and warned a vague law can lead to "inconsistent and arbitrary" enforcement.
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McMurtry found the federal government, the RCMP and provincial police all said extra powers for police were not needed, but Toronto police Chief Bill Blair wanted extra authority for the G20 weekend and the province granted it.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on June 08, 2011, 01:20:13 PM
Further to Lagatta's post found HERE (http://breadnroses.ca/community/index.php/topic,7414.msg201285.html#msg201285)

regarding the innocent bystander killed by a stray bullet, while cops shot a man yielding a knife ripping up garbage, known to have mental health issues.

Quebec gov defend cops who shot and killed a bystander and a homeless man with mental health issues (http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5i8V1_qyg6pNhA36Nw4AlInKXfkQQ?docId=7089407)

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"I believe they're well-trained. I believe they're well equipped. I believe they do their best. Unfortunately, in a society like ours, this kind of thing happens. We wish it wouldn't."

Wow. So it's all society's fault and since it is, expect this kind of thing happening again. Where have we heard this trope before, sounds suspiciously like Clarence Darrow. It's as if the PMHL (http://www.pmhl.ca/webpages/UsefulReports.html) doesn't exist, or govt's and cops have never heard of it before, even tho the Mental Health Commission has been trying to liaise with cops since 2005. PMHL is also a sub-committee of the Can. Assoc. of the Chiefs of Police. Yes the 2 cultures of first do no harm peeps and cops are vastly different, but this stuff has been around long enough for first responders to have developed the proper protocols eg., like why didn't the cop use a light stun to disarm him? Going for the lethal weapon was a tad over reactive. Cops act like they aren't even consumers of mental health resources, it beggars belief, when the stats show the absolutely opposite, so the stigma is alive and well within the ranks. I guess just criminalizing the mentally ill is the policy and building more prisons to house them.

This is a complex problem, I don't mean to minimize it, but sheesh if there is no will to work together, then I guess there will never be a scarcity of the stupid or money to keep the useless committees going.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: brebis noire on June 08, 2011, 03:50:59 PM
Without more knowledge of the context of the comment, I'd interpret it that our society is too heavily armed with deadly weapons, and our cops are too ready to address problems with weapons instead of wits and brains. That's the society in which we live, too.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: lagatta on June 08, 2011, 04:41:57 PM
Yes, it is terribly sad, both in terms of poor police response to a mentally-ill person in a rage and the collateral damage killing of a guy who was just going to work at his hospital maintenance job.

His co-workers staged a silent vigil for him during their lunch hour.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: lagatta on June 08, 2011, 05:22:34 PM
He're is more from cyberpresse and the Gazette about how people are reacting to the killings of these two men, Mario Hamel (the homeless man who had psychiatric problems) and Patrick Limoges (the hospital ventilation technician).

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/justice-et-faits-divers/201106/08/01-4407315-tristesse-et-incomprehension-au-lendemain-de-la-fusillade.php (http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/justice-et-faits-divers/201106/08/01-4407315-tristesse-et-incomprehension-au-lendemain-de-la-fusillade.php)

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/staff+homage+shooting+victim/4913968/story.html
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on June 08, 2011, 06:46:05 PM
One innocent bystander is too many, that's all there is. They want to look at SIU as a model, that is a joke and does nothing for the innocents. It is still cops investigating cops.

As for cops in general my disgust just continues to grow. Cleared cop sues for over $10 million (http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/544363--cleared-officer-suing-hamilton-police-for-10-5-million)  Eccentric man cleared by DNA, now it's a cold case (http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/544358--eccentric-doesn-t-equal-murderer)  There's just no excuse anymore. Incompetent from top to bottom and I do mean from Top to Bottom.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: sparqui on June 09, 2011, 11:34:10 AM
I thought that tasers were supposed to be used for such situations. What has happened to policing in this country? Tasers are used on unarmed people and guns on people with sharp objects. Plus, I thought it was paramount that you never shoot unless you have a clear shot. How is it okay to hit a bystander? That is criminal.  :mad2
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on June 10, 2011, 10:47:04 AM
Cop who beat and dragged Barton is identified/Glenn Weddell (http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1006012--cop-unmasked-meet-const-glenn-weddell-the-officer-id-d-in-g20-assault?bn=1)

He grew a moustache/beard, gee wonder why  ::) No charges as yet, because SIU says corroboration by a police officer is needed, which is of course absolute bullshite.

Barton's lawyer says
Quote
“It’s a ridiculous proposition,” said Brian Shiller, one of Barton’s lawyers. “Courts have relied on independent witness evidence in a multitude of cases for decades and there’s no law that requires corroboration by a police officer to lay a charge against a police officer.”

And this is the model Quebec wants? Well yeah, because it doesn't work on behalf of civilians.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Antonia on June 10, 2011, 06:33:19 PM
He's been charged. Now his cohorts should also be charged, including the cop roommate who wouldn't recognize him, for obstruction of justice.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on November 29, 2011, 11:05:34 PM
RCMP besides being the PMO's personal police force are now traitors to their own countryw/men!  :mad2


http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/11/29/pol-rcmp-henk-tepper.html (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/11/29/pol-rcmp-henk-tepper.html)


There is something very fishy about this tale of bad potatoes. Arrested in Algeria and held in Lebanon since last March.


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The RCMP sent business and personal information to Algerian officials about a New Brunswick farmer now being held in a Lebanese prison over importing a shipment of bad potatoes to Algeria, CBC News has learned.
The police force tried to interview Henk Tepper in 2009, but he said he wanted a lawyer at the meeting, and they never returned, according to documents obtained by the CBC's Laurie Graham. The documents show the RCMP closed the file – eight months after the force sent Tepper's financial information to Algerian officials.


Here is some background of the Interpol charges (dating back to 2007?) from Aug. 2011. http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/henk-tepper-125-days-lebanese-cell-without-charge (http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/henk-tepper-125-days-lebanese-cell-without-charge)



Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on December 04, 2011, 01:20:19 PM
I started this thread saying our cops from municipal/prov/federal were trained by the Israelis in 2005. It's very difficult to find any information on when the U.S. cops were trained. Israelification of U.S. cops indeed started in 2004 when the Israelis were first sought out. The most recent 'training session' was in October 2011 (coinciding with Occupy)  We no longer have to wonder about the steep militarization of our cops. A great expose of how it is used very well with the Occupy movement, by Max Blumenthal @ http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/occupation-%E2%80%9Coccupy%E2%80%9D-israelification-american-domestic-security (http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/occupation-%E2%80%9Coccupy%E2%80%9D-israelification-american-domestic-security)


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The Israelification of America’s security apparatus, recently unleashed in full force against the Occupy Wall Street Movement, has taken place at every level of law enforcement, and in areas that have yet to be exposed. The phenomenon has been documented in bits and pieces, through occasional news reports that typically highlight Israel’s national security prowess without examining the problematic nature of working with a country accused of grave human rights abuses. But it has never been the subject of a national discussion. And collaboration between American and Israeli cops is just the tip of the iceberg.
Having been schooled in Israeli tactics perfected during a 63 year experience of controlling, dispossessing, and occupying an indigenous population, local police forces have adapted them to monitor Muslim and immigrant neighborhoods in US cities. Meanwhile, former Israeli military officers have been hired to spearhead security operations at American airports and suburban shopping malls, leading to a wave of disturbing incidents of racial profiling, intimidation, and FBI interrogations of innocent, unsuspecting people. The New York Police Department’s disclosure that it deployed “counter-terror” measures against Occupy protesters encamped in downtown Manhattan’s Zuccotti Park is just the latest example of the so-called War on Terror creeping into every day life. Revelations like these have raised serious questions about the extent to which Israeli-inspired tactics are being used to suppress the Occupy movement.


P.S. It is spreading I see exiled online received permission to post: Good. http://exiledonline.com/max-blumenthal-how-israeli-occupation-forces-bahraini-monarchy-guards-trained-u-s-police-for-coordinated-crackdown-on-occupy-protests/ (http://exiledonline.com/max-blumenthal-how-israeli-occupation-forces-bahraini-monarchy-guards-trained-u-s-police-for-coordinated-crackdown-on-occupy-protests/)


As the first commenter says in the al-akhabar link - If the police in the US have Israelified...then I guess the activists will have to Palestinianifiy.......

Very unsettling to think Israel has brought their us/them mentality to N.A. When you think about it, huge applause to the Occupiers who have somehow managed to stay as peaceful as possible, I honestly don't think that is going to last. Already we are seeing branching off and eventually someone is going to get killed. But now that we know cops are trained to shoot in the head (because of possible explosives on the body) it is no surprise now that the young Marine Scott Olsen who was shot in the head with a beanbag at point blank range.


P.P.S. A vid @ Brad's Blog shows an L.A. cop pointing his weapon directly at a journo protester. Breaks code.
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8969 (http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8969)



Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on December 06, 2011, 12:01:32 PM
Crowd Control Weapons from '68 to the present. What protesters are up against.


http://www.alternet.org/rights/153329/pepper_spray%2C_tasers%2C_and_lrads_%E2%80%94_what%27s_behind_the_explosion_of_%27less_lethal%27_weapons_for_crowd_control?page=entire (http://www.alternet.org/rights/153329/pepper_spray%2C_tasers%2C_and_lrads_%E2%80%94_what%27s_behind_the_explosion_of_%27less_lethal%27_weapons_for_crowd_control?page=entire)





Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on July 30, 2012, 01:04:55 PM
Things are bad in Anaheim, California, very bad. Check out this flicker photo of the militarized cops protecting Disney Land (they are wearing grenade launchers) from protesters. I have no idea who is paying for them, the city or disneyland.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/woe1/7674380640/


This is what the protests are about, two men killed by cops.


http://rt.com/usa/news/anaheim-mayor-shooting-investigation-969/ (http://rt.com/usa/news/anaheim-mayor-shooting-investigation-969/)

Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on August 02, 2012, 09:13:15 AM
Michael Harris is on fire re: the RCMP! and environmental activists and the coincidences.
http://www.ipolitics.ca/2012/08/02/michael-harris-policing-the-police-state/ (http://www.ipolitics.ca/2012/08/02/michael-harris-policing-the-police-state/)

A short article in the Natty Post tells us the gob spent $18 million on armored military vehicles for the RCMP.  :o
8 of them. The RCMP version comes with multiple gun ports, and can carry a full tactical team. Do we need or want military vehicles in the hands of local police? And most of all, when do we start calling Canada a total police state?

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/07/24/rcmp-receives-fleet-of-armoured-vehicles-to-use-in-high-risk-hostage-takings-standoffs/ (http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/07/24/rcmp-receives-fleet-of-armoured-vehicles-to-use-in-high-risk-hostage-takings-standoffs/)
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Boom Boom on August 02, 2012, 11:15:14 AM


A short article in the Natty Post tells us the gob spent $18 million on armored military vehicles for the RCMP.  :o
8 of them. The RCMP version comes with multiple gun ports, and can carry a full tactical team.

Will be used to push the Northern Gateway through, no doubt.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on August 02, 2012, 12:48:10 PM
Jeebus Boom-Boom you could be right. And I made a mistake, not 8 but 18 across Canada.  :o


Remember when the Army gave B.C. a couple of armed vehicles? I'm going to find the article.


ETA - The TAVs were called out for the first time on Monday night to an incident involving a man with a gun, but the RCMP plans to routinely deploy the TAVs in order to increase public awareness and to give the officers experience operating them in an urban environment."These are older vehicles but they certainly have a lot of life left in them. And they're going to be put to good use when needed," said Thiessen.
The RCMP said the so-called "Cougars for cops" is a national program, and residents of other cities can expect to see the vehicles on their streets too.
]http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/03/24/bc-rcmp-rtactical-armoured-cougars.html (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/03/24/bc-rcmp-rtactical-armoured-cougars.html)

In the Natty article justification is the Mayerthorpe fiasco, but how the hell would an armored vehicle have helped? unless they drove the thing right into the quonset hut. They were incompetent with that fiasco. What happened to good training?
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Boom Boom on August 02, 2012, 01:23:16 PM
Harper is determined to crush dissent, so RCMP tactical vehicles are just fine with him.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Boom Boom on August 03, 2012, 12:11:20 AM
Policing the police state (http://www.ipolitics.ca/2012/08/02/michael-harris-policing-the-police-state/)
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on September 03, 2012, 07:11:09 PM
RCMP work for the PMO, not us.


Mr. Allsop phoned the PMO office to voice his opposition/concern over Northern Gateway. Within days the RCMP came to visit.


'CHBC News contacted the PMO’s office but did not get a response. However, a reporter at the Globe and Mail tells CHBC News that he did speak with the PMO’s office and was told that RCMP were not asked to investigate and there is no record of his calls.'
http://www.chbcnews.ca/Pages/Story.aspx?id=6442596603 (http://www.chbcnews.ca/Pages/Story.aspx?id=6442596603)


RCMP grounds airplane with Public Service Alliance Canada banner saying "harper hates us' (in French) on Labour Day.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/09/03/psac-banner-harper-grounded.html (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/09/03/psac-banner-harper-grounded.html)



Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Boom Boom on September 03, 2012, 10:14:42 PM
Imagine if Harper gets a second majority in 2015. If that happens, I don't have much doubt that Quebec will finally leave the federation.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on September 03, 2012, 10:37:51 PM
Well BB, as much as I hate to admit it, the Cons are the only party that can get a majority w/o Quebec.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Boom Boom on September 03, 2012, 10:53:39 PM
Yup. I don't think Harper gives a rat's ass about Quebec.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on September 03, 2012, 10:55:35 PM
The Royal Conservative Mounted Police (now I geddit)  So how do we stop paying their salaries?


http://www2.canada.com/windsorstar/news/editorial/story.html?id=d9fe8f3b-08d1-4cc4-9803-f80e60f36b86 (http://www2.canada.com/windsorstar/news/editorial/story.html?id=d9fe8f3b-08d1-4cc4-9803-f80e60f36b86)


Last week, Tonda MacCharles of the Toronto Star received a brown envelope containing a leaked copy of the new Communications Protocol Between the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and Public Safety Canada.
The two-page document outlines a new, closer relationship between the Mounties and the government, and raises the worrying possibility that the Tories will rebrand the force as the Royal Conservative Mounted Police.
-snip-
I don't think RCMP officers ought to do that kind of political work, not only because they've got better things to do, but because they shouldn't be thinking about how to make their political masters look good.
We don't need puppets in red serge mouthing government talking points, but that's what we're going to get.
Traditionally, the Mounties have had some independence in communications, since they have a duty to inform the public without political spin. This government doesn't seem to like that.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on September 03, 2012, 10:57:56 PM
Yup. I don't think Harper gives a rat's ass about Quebec.


Can I take your quote to the Quebec election thread?
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Boom Boom on September 04, 2012, 07:45:18 AM
Yup. I don't think Harper gives a rat's ass about Quebec.


Can I take your quote to the Quebec election thread?

Of course!
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on September 04, 2012, 11:17:40 AM
That article I posted from 2011 is about 'messaging', but the RCMP forcing a union banner plane to land goes far, far beyond being the RoboCons mouthpiece. The RCMP have changed their message 3 times. There was no violation of restricted air space (NavCanada confirmed that), there was no national security risk, it was not hate speech. So who made the decision and what was the real reason to force the plane to land? The plane had been flying over regions of Quebec for over 2 weeks w/o any issue until Labour Day.. it even flew over the Gay Pride Parade. We know Harper hates unions, one might even say he is anti-worker, but this outrageous boot stomping on dissent and then lying about it is beyond the beyond.


This desperately needs to be followed up but the RCMP have said 'case closed'. It was illegal for the RCMP to do what it did, it is a violation of the charter of rights! So far only EM has spoken up about it. Thank you EM, as for the NDP/Liberals they can go to hell for not insisting on a clear, honest answer and what the repercussions will have on activists in the future. Someone must claim responsibility for this, because I don't believe for a minute this was just RCMP out of control, a call went in but by whom.


Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Boom Boom on September 04, 2012, 01:09:42 PM
This desperately needs to be followed up but the RCMP have said 'case closed'.

The Cons with their majority have no interest in anything that could possibly implicate them, just like the Robocalls, and no doubt the Cons will smother this if anyone tries to blow it up.
 
This is just another reason I hate majority governments, no matter which party forms the majority. Majority government is an open invitation to abuse of power.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: sparqui on September 04, 2012, 01:18:12 PM
I hope PSAC pursues this infringement in the courts. This assault on unions is getting out of hand - Harper set the tone federally and provincial governments are escalating their attacks on unions too.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on September 04, 2012, 02:00:40 PM
I hope PSAC pursues this infringement in the courts. This assault on unions is getting out of hand - Harper set the tone federally and provincial governments are escalating their attacks on unions too.


Indeed sparks. Sun.. at the local pharmacy the 2 women at cash were saying 'dam unions, no use at all, we don't need them anymore, outgrown their original purpose, blah blah' I was paying and simply couldn't stand it, so said, 'too bad your making 5 bucks and change less than if you were unionized' that was met with a snort and I harrumphed as I left. A taxi driver on the wknd told me 'lady, people are losing the plot, it's like a mass mental breakdown, women can't even walk 2 blocks anymore after dark!'. Hell in a handbasket in this harperland.
P.S. Altho I don't blame harperland for sexual assaults per say, it was interesting to hear a taxi driver comment on the general conditions in this cowardly new society.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on September 04, 2012, 02:13:15 PM
PMO say it wasn't us!! Not once in the article does the PMO say they will slap the RCMP on the wrist of the violation of human rights!!


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2012/09/04/ottawa-rcmp-plane-grounding-followup.html (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2012/09/04/ottawa-rcmp-plane-grounding-followup.html)


Let me be clear - "An email statement sent Monday from RCMP spokeswoman Cpl. Lucy Shorey said the plane "appeared to be within restricted airspace" when the officers spotted it."

Because the RCMP are now fucking aviation experts!!
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Boom Boom on September 04, 2012, 05:13:13 PM


Let me be clear - "An email statement sent Monday from RCMP spokeswoman Cpl. Lucy Shorey said the plane "appeared to be within restricted airspace" when the officers spotted it."

Because the RCMP are now fucking aviation experts!!

I know about that restricted airspace because I went up in a vintage aircraft (an open cockpit biplane!) from the old Rockcliffe Park airport (site of the aircraft museum) in 2002, and we could not approach within a half mile radius (or so)  of the Peace Tower - the pilot said if got any closer, he'd either lose his pilot's license, get a very hefty fine, and possible go to jail. All enforced by the RCMP. They don't take chances - not back then, and not today.
 
 
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on September 04, 2012, 05:49:28 PM
. All enforced by the RCMP. They don't take chances - not back then, and not today.


They didn't follow protocol.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: sparqui on September 04, 2012, 07:33:52 PM
NAV stated that there was no security breach. Also, if the Parliament detachment of the RCMP thought there was, why was not threat of prosecution or fines?
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on September 08, 2012, 01:32:49 PM
Mounties Ask Reporters To Submit Questions In Advance Of Event Honouring U.A.E. Officer
When asked about the restrictions, Coulombe said the RCMP was just acting as messenger for the UAE embassy.http://metronews.ca/news/canada/361960/rcmp-requests-media-restrictions-for-uae/ (http://metronews.ca/news/canada/361960/rcmp-requests-media-restrictions-for-uae/)
If Canada's media obeys this total bullshit then they are just as Toady as the RCMP!! And why isn't this on the front page of every newspaper?  :mad2  This is Censorship.


Oh wait, thank you WFP [/size]http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/business/rcmp-asks-media-to-submit-and-censor-questions-on-behalf-of-united-arab-emirates-168957916.html (http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/business/rcmp-asks-media-to-submit-and-censor-questions-on-behalf-of-united-arab-emirates-168957916.html)
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on September 08, 2012, 11:52:25 PM
Ok, given this fascist story time for other media to pick it up and guess what, none did. It just sickens me that our media are such toadies.  :mad2
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: lagatta on September 09, 2012, 10:37:33 AM
Radio-Canada journalist and host Mohamed Lotfi, of Moroccan origin, mentioned meeting an old friend and compatriot at Parc Jarry (near chez moi, and I believe he lives in the neighbourhood). Friend was seriously pissed off: "If Richard Bain (the guy in the blue bathrobe with the banned weapons and firebomb) had been named Mohamed or Rachid, he'd be a terrorist! How many people does someone have to kill to get that label"?
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on September 09, 2012, 11:51:07 AM
Good Question.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on April 26, 2013, 12:23:10 PM
We don't have to wonder why there have been no arrest in electoral fraud. Toews thinks we're all stupid.


Internal emails obtained by CBC News show that RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson has ordered all senior Mounties to get clearance from his office before committing to any meetings with MPs or senators.
Specifically, they are to notify a liaison office that co-ordinates RCMP strategy with the office of Public Safety Minister Vic Toews.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/04/25/pol-milewski-paulson-rcmp-mp-senator-meetings-approval.html (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/04/25/pol-milewski-paulson-rcmp-mp-senator-meetings-approval.html)
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on July 03, 2013, 09:36:56 AM
Canadians wouldn't trust the Mounties with their kids, ha-ha. Front page of NN, but when you click link to go to the Sun, it's an ERROR. And every tiny newspaper in the province, same thing, as well as the Conservative  newsfeed for Simcoe North riding association.  :))


Despite recent troubles within the ranks of our historic national police force, Canadians surveyed by QMI Agency overwhelmingly have a favourable view of the RCMP and see it in a much better light than many other national institutions. But most wouldn’t trust a Mountie to watch their children.
http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/ (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/)
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on July 29, 2013, 02:15:25 AM
Toronto cops, my gawd.
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/07/28/sammy_yatim_family_of_dead_teen_stunned_and_baffled_by_police_shooting.html (http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/07/28/sammy_yatim_family_of_dead_teen_stunned_and_baffled_by_police_shooting.html)


I will be at Bellwoods to meet the protesters tomorrow, I can't standz this anymore.
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Bacchus on July 29, 2013, 04:43:22 PM
Why did they taser him after they shot him 9 times?
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on September 03, 2013, 08:07:29 PM
How did Ford get Ontario cops equipped with tasers so fast? Nah, couldn't be, gee hope they get the xtra training in judicious use.
 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2013/09/03/mississauga-woman-taser-police-watchdog-siu-investigation.html (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2013/09/03/mississauga-woman-taser-police-watchdog-siu-investigation.html)



Taser used on 80-year-old woman in MississaugaPolice watchdog probing incident that occurred last week[/font][/size]
Title: Re: Cop Watch (was Ont. cops trained by Israeli Army)
Post by: Toedancer on September 05, 2013, 09:43:12 AM
Her daughter is pissed! And refutes police account. Joe Warmington of the Sun rag originally said - was seen chasing "her husband down the street with a meat cleaver.". It was a bread knife which the elderly woman told them clearly wasn't 'for them', she was chasing her husband who she forgot was 'dead'. Oy vey, I wonder if it occurred to the cop to talk gently and simply take the knife from her hand. Do they ever ask themselves what would they do if tasers didn't exist?
http://www.torontosun.com/2013/09/04/tasered-seniors-daughter-refutes-police-account (http://www.torontosun.com/2013/09/04/tasered-seniors-daughter-refutes-police-account)


She may consult a lawyer, good. http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2013/09/20130904-093708.html (http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2013/09/20130904-093708.html)